Poppy Bush: WWII Hero? Or like father like son?

[Cyrano]

http://www.thephonyfighterpilot.com

This website contains a very, very long story about George W., however, if you scroll way, way down, there's a very interesting section concerning George H. W. Bush's actions during WWII. He was a pilot who bailed out in the pacific, however, his two crewman didn't make it. They died. Poppy won a medal, however, the story surrounding the event is disputed by others in the squadron and leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

Bringing up a WWII incident might seem irrelevant, however, the Swift Boat Veteran's For Truth have opened a can of worms from 30 years ago which makes what happened 60 years ago fair game.

The article is extremely long, but skip on down to Poppy's exploits, (which are soon to be published in a book by the author of the article).

After reading most of it, I was left with the impression, like father, like son. The main difference is that no one who flew combat missions in WWII could be called a coward. However, a pilot who bails out and loses his two crewman, might, at the very least, be guilty of panic. And if this is the case, how do you get a medal for panicking? Nonetheless, read the story and decide for yourself.

[LynnTheDem]

1. Ted Sampley

Ok had it right the first time, lol! That's Sampley, sick dude. Very sick.

He likes to smear veterans; he's been smearing Kerry for decades, as well as McCain, Cleland, and GHW Bush.

Funny tho how the RWWs believe him when it's Kerry and Cleland he smears...but NOT when it's McCain and GHWB.

Hmmmm....

[Cyrano]

2. No, the story is by Hugh E. Scott. No mention of Ted Sampley.

If you know something I don't know, please explain. I ran into the above mentioned article today and much of the documentation concerning George H. W. Bush seems convincing and seems to be verifiable through documentation.

[LynnTheDem]

4. Sampley

He runs these "citizen groups", same Nixonian o'Neil "swift boat liars" type thing.

Sampley had a bunch of these groups that were used to rip off families of Vietnam MIAs and/or POWs. He also runs the "Vietnam Vets Against Kerry" et al groups.

Every single "veterans against Kerry/GHWB/McCain/Cleland groups you come across, take a look and you'll find the same member names spewing the same total bullshit. It's their RWW "echo chamber".

[Cyrano]

5. Click on the site in the original posting.

As far as I can tell, this doesn't seem to have anything to do with the guy you're talking about.

[maveric]

3. I could never understand that.

He was the pilot, bailed out,(for whatever reason, panic?), and let the pilotless aircraft crash killing his crew, and HE gets a medal? And a film crew just happened to there to catch the footage of his rescue.
Now chimpy lets an attack happen on US soil,and sits there in a classroom full of kids, putting them at risk,does nothing, and HE gets hero's recognition?
Whats up with that?

[LynnTheDem]

6. More Sampley

Read all about Bush Sr's alleged cowardice in WWII, here it is, from the chief veteran smear artist himself.

Seems he has problems with a lot of war heroes.

Why do SO MANY veterans think Kerry ACCUSED troops of atrocities???

Ted Sampley.

Decades and decades of Ted Sampley. Smearing every veteran who ever makes a name for themselves in politics. The man McCain called the "most despicable" person he'd ever had the misfortune to encounter.

Sampley against GHWB:

http://www.usvetdsp.com/story46.htm

Sampley against Kerry:

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

Sampley against McCain:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/campaign2k/mccainnam.htm

[Cyrano]

7. See posting #4 above. I don't know who the hell you're talking about.

[LynnTheDem]

8. earlier post today on Ted Sampley

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x759489

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[Cyrano]

11. Although I have never read anything by Sampley,

I intend to read Scott's book when it comes out.

I have no way of knowing the truth of what happened 60 years ago, but a pilot who survives while his crew dies presents a serious question.

Nonetheless, I will reserve any final judgement until I can find out more than is presented in the article I read.

However, regarding George W. there is no need to reserve judgement. The man is a coward who did a disappearing act on 9/11 and showed up days later with a bullhorn in his hand to spew bullshit across hallowed ground.

Was his father this kind of phony? I don't really know. But then, neither do you.

By the way, nice switch to "Stuff it" before the administrator cut you off. I caught the original posting and found it highly literate. Had George Bernard Shaw thought of it first, I'm sure it would have appeared in "Pygmalion" or "Man and Superman." Then again, Eliza probably bit her tongue many times to stop herself from saying it to Henry Higgins.

[LynnTheDem]

12. Yeah you have..."Kerry accused troops of atrocities"; that's 100% Sampley

I can't see the admin having a problem with my saying "piss off". I changed to "get stuffed" because after living in the UK and Europe for a decade I got used to saying "piss off" but forgot it's still considered rude here.

Anyways I agree with you on Dubya. 100%.

Again, ALL I was trying to point out to you is that it was Ted Sampley, the man currently smearing Kerry, who STARTED the smear against GHW Bush. It doesn't matter who else repeats it, it was SAMPLEY that started it.

Fact is, the veterans who claim GHWB panicked and bailed, leaving his crew behind, NEVER said ONE WORD against GHWB for 45 years...until SAMPLEY suddenly presented them to the public, 45 years after the event.

EXACTLY as Sampley did against McCain.

EXACTLY as Sampley did with his "veterans against Kerry", except that was 35 years after the event.

EXACTLY as the Swift Liars did/are doing against Kerry, 35 years after the event.

Maybe for once in his miserable slimy existance, Sampler is correct re GHW Bush; but for us to do to GHW Bush what the Swift Liars are doing now to Kerry is HYPOCRISY. We leave that shit for the RWWs. Don't we?

[LynnTheDem]

13. And btw

A pilot of an Avenger surviving while his 2 crew don't is NOT a big surprise. The 2 crew didn't wear parachutes; only the pilot did in an Avenger.

Turret crewman very often found it impossible to bail out of a turret in time.

[RedEagle]

14. "That guy is not telling the truth," Mierzejewski said of Bush.

http://www.kmf.org/williams/bushbook/bush6.html

I'd never read about this from Samply. First read about it in, "George Bush: Unauthorized Biography." The chapted in the book about this incident show several versions of the story.



"The only person who has ever claimed to have seen Bush's plane get hit, and to have seen it hit the water, is Chester Mierzejewksi, who was the rear turret gunner in the aircraft flown by Squadron Commander Douglas Melvin. During 1987-88, Mierzejewksi became increasingly indignant as he watched Bush repeat his canonical account of how he was shot down. Shortly before the Republican National Convention in 1988, Mierzekewski, by then a 68 year old retired aircraft foreman living in Cheshire, Connecticut, decided to tell his story to Allan Wolper and Al Ellenberg of the New York Post, which printed it as a copyrighted article. "

[tedzbear]

15. Since when does bailing out of a doomed plane make one a war hero?

Especially when your crewmen all die. Until now, I didn't know the details and I always thought poppy Bush had earned his medal. I guess not.