Old Vets, help out my memory about "Honorable Discharge"

[Racenut20]

Since pResident has never produced his final discharge, or a seperation form DD214. Something no person would ever dispose of.

It is my memory that the military could receive an honorable discharge under less than honorable circumstances.

Aside from a regular honorable discharge most received, there was dishonorable discharge, and bad conduct discharge (usually after a court martial)

But for someone who just washed out, like the ones who obviously just didnt fit in bootcamp, or other reasons, they were issued a GENERAL DISCHARGE, which is categorized as honorable. I believe the DD214 would show that.

For example, there were many "lifers" who joined during the VN era in order to have a job (mostly black or from impoverished rural white areas). They were let out (forced out) when the technology of the 90's displaced them.

Correct me if I am wrong please.

[Blue Wally]

1. When you leave active duty, you get a DD214

The national Guard is a little more complicated. Back in the sixties and seventies active reserve and national guard service was for a certain portion of your total military obligation. If you wanted out of the guard and reserve for the remaining years of your obligation, you received a set of orders transferring you to the "standby reserve". At the completion of your military obligation, you were moved from the "standby reserve" to some other category. I don't know if you got a DD214 then or some other type of order.

[olddem43]

2. I would suspect that enough political pressure was applied

so that Junior got an Honorable discharge, even though it wasn't deserved. If it was anything less and came to light it would blow him out of the water.

[rocktivity]

3. He was discharged honorably but has not produced his DD214?

Well, why not? There IS a record of it, isn't there? They MUST be tired of babbling "He served honorably and was discharged honorably" by now.



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[punpirate]

4. DD214 is an active duty document...

... while the guards and reserves use a different document.

The DD214 is a document which characterizes one's separation from active duty.

While Bush had periods of active duty, they were for training purposes only, so he was never on active duty, so he would not receive a DD214.
Instead, he received a discharge from the national guard, on the appropriate form.

Frankly, he received that discharge through collusion with his superiors--or, perhaps, because they were fed up with him and wanted to be rid of him, as some of the memos shown this evening suggest.

But, the simple truth is that he owed the guard 6-1/2 years (people forget that upon completion of basic flight, in Nov. 69, he signed an agreement to continue flying for the ANG for five years, extending his original six-month agreement by roughly six months), and he gave them a little over four years, not counting his months of absence between May 72 and May 73.

Cheers.

[TexasProgresive]

5. My history in the TANG

I served in the same unit at Ellington as Dumbya. I too, transfered out of state. I received an Honorable discharge from the TANG and had 45 days to get enlisted in another unit. Not wanting to be activated I got a verbal yes from the DelANG before exiting the TANG. Later I moved back to Houston and so I got another honorable discharge. These honorable discharges don't end your military obligation. I got a third honorable discharge when I took an early out with about 6 months left on my obligation. I still was in the Ready Reserves. At the end of my 6 year obligation I was able to apply for a copy of my DD-214 which clearly states the transfers, honorable discharges with how many months of obligation were still to be served.

The upshot is an honorable discharge without a DD-214 is meaningless. It does not indicate final discharge of obligation.

Dumbya is AWOL, a deserter and derelict of duty then and now. He has no right to be in office because he is an indicted felon. He disrespects all in uniform every time he masquerade's as a military man.

I heard Ben Barnes on 60 min II tonight and thought, Here's a real man and a real Texan. With time and age he has come to regret and be ashamed of what he did to get Dumbya and other connected young fellows in the Texas Guard. He can admit to being wrong. And his accent isn't fake

[MissMarple]

7. Thank you.

[TexasProgresive]

11. You're welcome, Miss Marple

I have strong feelings about this-at least one of my compadres tried to quit the Champaign unit and was picked up in California where he was turned over to the Marines.

[strategery blunder]

9. He's a felon, all right, but he hasn't been indicted yet

That would be up to the Kerry DOJ:) (or would it be the DoD in a court martial?), assuming bu$h* doesn't pardon himself on 19 January.

[Gregorian]

14. Thank you for clarifying that.

I got ahead of myself when blabbing that his honorable discharge must have been obtained through a criminal act.
I just get impatient when I know someone is a phoney.

[UTUSN]

6. What Was the Question? n/t

[greblc]

8. I have...

2 Friends who joined the USMCR,finished Boot Camp and quit going to Weekend Drills after 6 months. They received Honorable Discharges. So yes depending on the Command you can receive an Honorable when it is not deserved.

FYI: Both of these Men are now Police Officers. One of them has a 6inch Tattoo of the Marine Corps Emblem on his bicept. I'm sure he embelishes his service record just like GWB.

[TexasProgresive]

10. Was the draft active when they quit?

Was there a war raging in southeast Asia that was hungry for their bodies? It was a different time.

[greblc]

12. It was 1986.

Had they stayed in they could have been involed in the Gulf War in 1991. I was Inactive Ready Reserve for 18 months. And recalled to service. So they could have been part of that. Their Unit was Mobilized for the Gulf War but I don't know where it was sent.

[TexasProgresive]

13. Thanks. n/t

[Demonaut]

15. you could get an RE-4, barely honorable

[TacticalPeek]

16. Kick.

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Bwaaahahahahahahah!

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