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SilasSoule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:05 PM
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Awol Counter attack - Before you fall for Dems’ spin, here are the Facts
Freeps and wingers all around are linking this Hill story by Byron York titled:


Bush’s National Guard years. Before you fall for Dems’ spin, here are the facts




http://www.hillnews.com/york/090904.aspx

An example of spinning that gets an F5:

That brings the story to May 1972 — the time that has been the focus of so many news reports — when Bush “deserted” (according to anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore) or went “AWOL” (according to Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee).

Bush asked for permission to go to Alabama to work on a Senate campaign. His superior officers said OK. Requests like that weren’t unusual, says retired Col. William Campenni, who flew with Bush in 1970 and 1971.

“In 1972, there was an enormous glut of pilots,” Campenni says. “The Vietnam War was winding down, and the Air Force was putting pilots in desk jobs. In ’72 or ’73, if you were a pilot, active or Guard, and you had an obligation and wanted to get out, no problem. In fact, you were helping them solve their problem.”

So Bush stopped flying. From May 1972 to May 1973, he earned just 56 points — not much, but enough to meet his requirement.

Then, in 1973, as Bush made plans to leave the Guard and go to Harvard Business School, he again started showing up frequently.

In June and July of 1973, he accumulated 56 points, enough to meet the minimum requirement for the 1973-1974 year.

Then, at his request, he was given permission to go. Bush received an honorable discharge after serving five years, four months and five days of his original six-year commitment. By that time, however, he had accumulated enough points in each year to cover six years of service.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:08 PM
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1. there are so many errors....
in this article and I dont have the time to go point by point...one falsehooh is the matter of Bush going to Alabama...he went to Alabama without the approval of his commander....
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:40 PM
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10. THE GOP should read the New York Times and get
the facts on Bush breaking law


.....www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/opinion/lechliter.pdf


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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:08 PM
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2. Why did Bush refuse a direct order to take a physical? n/t
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:12 PM
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3. And he's PROUD of that?
So we're supposed to believe that at his request, he blew off a million bucks of taxpayer training just because he felt like doing something else? And he's PROUD of that???

I'm sure Cheney's proud of having gotten 5 deferments, too. These guys sure know how to serve their country in a fine and dedicated way. It's just heart-warming.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:19 PM
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5. It is about the first time Bush even fulfilled a minimum obligation.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:17 PM
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4. Ask these nitwits about Linebacker II, some of the heaviest bombing
of the war. Guess what year?

1972!


And bombers need fighter escorts. And Georgie was a fighter pilot.

And he went AWOL.

And then he was guilty of desertion.

And then he got an Honorable Discharge because his daddy was a US Congressman.

Any questions?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:22 PM
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6. Or...Dubya got arrested for cocaine...did community service...
avoided an exam on the advice of council...and was then shipped to Alabama to get him away from Texas and damage to his old man. The TANG thing was probably seen as a detail to be cleaned up later.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:35 PM
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9. Hi Junkdrawer...maybe you know.
Edited on Wed Sep-08-04 09:36 PM by Old and In the Way
When was the cocaine bust and when did he refuse the physical? I think you've got the timeline and sequence pretty well correct. I do think he was sent to ALabama, not so much to work on the campaign, but to get him out of the public eye in Texas.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:44 PM
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11. Well, Linda Allison confirms why he was sent to Alabama....
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/02/allison/index_np.html

Here's the story on the cocaine bust...

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/cocaine/

Looks like the bust and the Project Pull service was early in 1972 and the move to Alabama was late in 1972.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:30 PM
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7. There is no proof Bush ever got permission to transfer to Alabama (nt)
nt
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:31 PM
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8. Why is there a 6 months gap in Bush's pay if he wasn't AWOL? nt
nt
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:00 AM
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12. Kick.
:kick:

Bwaaahahahahahahah!

:evilgrin:

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SilasSoule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:34 AM
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13. This article was wrtitten and release before the Killian Memos

which makes it null and void.
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