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Dem Agog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:38 PM
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Tinfoil Hat Time!
What do you think this adminsitration has had a hand in, that the mainstream media claims they don't? I'll start:

1. 9/11 - I subscribe to the MIHOP theory and believe Cheney was the ringleader on that one.

2. Wellstone's murder.

3. I'm beginning to wonder about the Russian schoolchildren, I've seen some intriguing reports about this administration's support of Chechen militants.

Others?
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:42 PM
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1. Check out fromthemwilderness.com he has a book coming out
which names Dick the fuckster as being behind 911 and he's got a lot of documentation.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:46 PM
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2. Osama Bin Laden
was the current administration's source for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

That's my top one, but I think yours are viable, also.

Will we ever know?
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slojim240 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:02 PM
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3. On 9/11: If Rove told Bush the US was under attack and Bush sat for
7 minutes in a classroom, where the hell was the Secret Service to 'protect' and at least swoop the President to safety? Even in the movies the first thing that happens when the nation is under attack is getting the President immediately to safety and to a command center.
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:20 PM
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4. Russians have already said they'll attack wherever they need to
I wonder how much we'll pay them to hit Iran.
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:28 PM
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5. I dunno

I can believe the first two, but I doubt this administration would of bothered to get involved with the third situation.

Why would they? If the Russians want to crack down on the Chechin rebels, they can find or manufacture their own reasons.

I have my doubts about U.S. involvement in 9-11. It's possible at some levels, but I don't think it was a widespread conspiracy as some suggest.
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gospelized Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:32 PM
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7. .
"but I doubt this administration would of bothered to get involved with the third situation.

Why would they?"


to get more countries behind their "war on terror." if they can manufacture terror in other countries, it will get them behind their war on islam.

i'm not saying that's true or i believe it. just presenting it as a reason.
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Dem Agog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:36 PM
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9. Absolutely...
And if they get Russia on their side and in the same region fighting... why it's almost like a manufactured "coalition of the willing"...

As I just wrote in another thread, nothing would surprise me in this country anymore.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:31 PM
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6. Why did the militants have M-16's instead of AK 47's? in Russia?
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:32 PM
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8. overthrow of democratically elected president of Haiti
... and ongoing interference in and sabotage of any Caribbean, Central or South American government that doesn't get with the favoritism-for-US-capitalist-exploiter program.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:24 PM
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11. Venezuela coup
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:33 PM
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12. We don't need tin foil for the coup in Haiti ima_sinnic
That's a proven fact.

Operation Jaded Task

From 2/23/2003:

US Troopers Secretly Land in Dominican Republic
http://english.pravda.ru/world/2003/02/20/43514.html
The military training operation nicknamed Jaded Task took by surprise Dominican Foreign Ministry.

The US Army started today a training operation in the Caribbean country as part of routine maneuvers of the Southern Command. The landing had been kept so secretly that Dominican Foreign Ministry Hugo Tolentino was reported... by the TV.

As per the first reports, the US troops are training Dominican soldiers on anti-terrorism operations in the north of the island. When the national media started announcing the landing, country's Foreign Minister was having a lunch. Tolentino said that, as chief of the Dominican diplomacy, he should have been formally advised, as personally requested to the Dominican Army and the US Embassy to Santo Domingo.

(snip)

However, the most interesting thing, here, is that the Communist Party of the Dominican Republic did know about the operations. This correspondent had access to two formal communications issued by the US Embassy including details of these activities, during the Communist summit held in Buenos Aires in January. There, the US ambassador to Santo Domingo reported about 10.000 soldiers coming to the Dominican Republic to take part of the training.

Moreover, the communists and other leftist forces in the country made know such documents to the local media in November. According to the denounce, US soldiers can freely enter and leave the country without any kind of permission. Also, they can do it through owned means of conveyance.

(more at link)


Conclusive Evidence of U.S. Role in Kidnapping and Coup


PRESS ADVISORY
Monday, April 4, 2004
Media Contact: Dustin Langley 212-633-6646

As Bush Administration Scrambles to Shore Up Appointed Haitian Regime Commission to Present Conclusive Evidence of U.S. Role in Kidnapping and Coup

Date: Wednesday, April 7
Time: 6:30- 9:30 pm
Location: The Whitman Theatre at Brooklyn College

Panel to include: Rep. Maxine Waters, Rep. Major Owens, Former Attorney General Ramsey Clark, Ossie Davis, Gil Noble, Amy Goodman, Ron Daniels, and other prominent activists and journalists

The Bush Administration is facing a growing crisis over its role in the coup in Haiti and the kidnapping of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who continues to speak out about his abduction by the U.S. The 15-member organization of Caribbean nations, CARICOM, has refused to recognize the U.S.-installed regime and has called for an investigation, despite intense pressure and threats from the U.S. The 53-member African Union has raised the same demand.

On Wednesday, April 7, the Haiti Commission of Inquiry will initiate a public inquiry of the role of the Bush Administration in the crisis in Haiti. Delegations that visited both the Central African Republic and the Dominican Republic will present conclusive evidence that U.S. Special Forces armed, trained, and directed the "rebels" and engineered the abduction of President Aristide.

The preliminary report from the Commission states, "two hundred U.S. Special Forces soldiers came to the Dominican Republic as part of 'Operation Jaded Task,' with special authorization from President Hipólito Mejia. We have received many reports that this operation was used to train Haitian rebels. We have received many consistent reports of Haitian rebel training centers at or near Dominican military facilities. We have received many consistent reports of guns transported from the Dominican Republic to Haiti, some across the land border, and others shipped by sea."

Johnnie Stevens of the International Action Center, a member of the delegation to the Central African Republic, said, "The U.S.-installed Prime Minister, Gerard Latortue, has hailed the paid mercenaries as freedom fighters, and had thus discredited himself among the Caribbean nations."

Secretary of State Colin Powell, in a desperate bid to lend some credibility to the Latortue government, is now visiting Haiti for the first time. This attempt to put U. S. weight behind the isolated colonial-style regime is a response to its growing isolation. Sara Flounders, of the International Action Center, said, "This visit by Powell is a sign of the Bush Administration’s growing isolation and disarray. The U.S. is desperately trying to shore up a discredited regime in the face of international opposition to the appointed government of Haiti after the stinging rebuke directed at the U.S. by the recent CARICOM meeting." Flounders is a member of the Haiti Commission of Inquiry and was part of the delegation to the Central African Republic, where she visited with President Aristide shortly after his kidnapping.

Kim Ives from Haiti Progres, who was part of the delegation to the Dominican Republic, told the media, "In the course of our investigation here, we met with many Haitians who were forced to flee Haiti following the coup d'etat of Feb. 29. Their testimony gave very concrete names and faces to the stories of violence which we have heard that the so-called rebels, trained and assembled in the Dominican Republic, have carried out in Haiti over the past month. We were also touched by the tears of refugees who told us of how they are apprehensive over the fate of their loved ones left behind in Haiti."
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:36 PM
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13. Chili September 11, 1973


Salvador Allende's last words to his beloved people. Tuesday morning September 11 1973

"This will surely be the last time I speak to you, Magallanes Radio will be silenced, and the reassuring tone of my voice will not reach you.

It doesn't matter. You will continue hearing it. I will always be with you. At the least, your memory of me will be that of a man who was loyal to the country. . .

Placed in this historical transition, I will pay with my life the loyalty of the people. I say to you that I am sure that the seed that we now plant in the dignified conscience of thousands and thousands of Chileans cannot be forever blinded. They have the power, they can smash us, but social processes are detained, neither through crimes nor power. History is ours, and the people creates it…

In this moment of definition, the last thing I can say to you is that I hope you will learn this lesson: foreign capital and imperialism united with reactionary elements, created the climate for the Armed Forces to break with their tradition…

I have faith in Chile and its destiny. Other people will overcome this gray and bitter moment where treason tries to impose itself. May you continue to know that much sooner than later the great avenues, through which free people will walk to build a better society, will open …

Long live Chile!
Long live the People!

Long live the Workers!

These are my last words. I am sure that my sacrifice will not be in vain; I am sure that it will at least be a moral lesson which will punish felony, cowardice and treason."
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:42 PM
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10. Nick Berg
Yeah...probably not.
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Orion82 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:19 AM
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14. Not sure about Russian anymore
But I agree 100% with 9/11 and Wellstone.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:08 AM
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15. Always ask, "Who benefits?"
Terrorists Got Orders From Abroad; Did Not Speak Chechen
RIA – Novosti September 6, 2004

Terrorists who seized a school in North Ossetia's Beslan, September 1, were receiving orders from abroad throughout the three suspense-laden days, says Aslanbek Aslakhanov, President Vladimir Putin's adviser for North Caucasian affairs.

"The men had their conversations not within Russia but with other countries. They were led on a leash. Our self-styled friends have been working for several decades, I deem, to dismember Russia. They are doing a huge, really titanic job. It's clear as daylight that those people are coming up as puppeteers and are financing terror," he said to the Rossia television company, national Channel Two, tonight.

Though the bandits named certain people they wanted to see as negotiators, and Mr. Aslakhanov was among them, he is sure the terrorist gang really did not mean whatever contacts.

Aslanbek Aslakhanov, a Chechen, was on the site throughout the tragedy, and contacted the gang on the telephone. "The men were certainly not Chechens. When I spoke Chechen with them, they said they couldn't make out a word. 'Speak Russian,' they told me. Well, I did as they wished, though I speak Russian with a Caucasian accent," he said in his TV interview.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2232

Chechen rebel leader denies role in school hostage-taking

MOSCOW : Chechen rebel leader Aslan Maskhadov denied any role in the bloody Beslan school hostage-taking through his spokesman after a suspected hostage-taker said Maskhadov had ordered the raid.

"Claims of Maskhadov's involvement in the terrorist act are part of a campaign of disinformation," the spokesman Akhmad Zakayev said in a statement faxed to AFP from London, where he was been granted political asylum.

"There can be no justification for terrorist acts against innocent citizens," the statement added in reference to the deaths of more than 330 adults and children hostages in `the three-day siege in southern Russia.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/105436/1/.html

Perhaps the powers that be want a new arms race? BIG PROFITS!

Russia Threatens to Strike Terrorists Worldwide
http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=3935E151-A8C5-4A38-927F01D7E9AE4AD1&Title=Russia%20Threatens%20to%20Strike%20Terrorists%20Worldwide&db=current&CatOID=45C9C78C-88AD-11D4-A57200A0CC5EE46C&Categoryname=Europe

The Chechen's American Neocon Friends
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1299318,00.html




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