In normal times, *bush's statement that he was appointed by God to lead

[efhmc]

our country would make him a prime candidate for the booby hatch. I really, really wish I could return to the 70's. They were a time of turmoil, but a promise of change for the better was in the air. I really, really hate America now. The place is a freaking, fracking country without a future.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. I love America...I just can't stand some of the idiots that live here

(sorry..I lack any reals substance tonight...dead tired but kicking threads of posters I love) :hi:

[efhmc]

4. Thanks sug, I been at the ranch burning prickly pear and thinking deep,

disturbing thoughts. I remember thinking as a young Mom that today would be so good and so pure for my daughters and their children and seeing what the truth is makes me cry, which is what I am doing right now.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. Oh I hear you..I spent a great deal of the 80's and 90's

believing I was working on transforming the world...I slowly watched bigotry creep back in but thought that was an enigma...I watched companies talking about shit like empowerment (which you never hear anymore) About the time of the Gingrich revolution, I remember a friend of mine saying ,"Can you believe the Republicans?" I was sure they would make themselves the laughing stock...but they were spending lots of money funneling think tank money dwon to heartland states...unfuckingbelievable...I had a really down day last week...it gets to all of us...sending you a virtual California hug :hug: I'm gonna have to get out to the ranch and see you one of these days...in the meantime...hang in there.

[efhmc]

9. God, I so love California. I think I shocked people out there when I said

that as much as I loved my daughter and her husband and babes that I really did not want them to move back to Texas. I told them that it was a much too primitive place. I adore being able to love and cuddle those guys so much (now that they are here) but I know that this is really not a healthy place for people of brains and hope and openness to grow up. My daughter has started her move back to Cal fund.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. Yeah but maybe all ya'll could wake Texas the F up!

I mean....at least you're spreading hope in that neck of the woods.

[efhmc]

16. We've been here for more than 164 years but I really, really wish

my ancestors hadn't stopped in Texas but had kept on moving west until they could have gone no further so instead of owning land here that is full of prickly pear and mesquite, we could be next to the ocean and in the land of beautiful weather and wonderful soil and lovely liberals that is California. Well, as I tell my 2 daughters, we should just be happy that we do have what we have, no matter where it is.

[Ladyhawk]

21. There are still some red counties in California.

I live in one and it can sometimes be disheartening. Nearly everyone I know is a Repug.

[LisaLynne]

2. I'm totally NOT against religion, but ...

...it is interesting how used to religious rhetoric we've gotten in this country. We are sooo friggin' religious! And not in a good way. My mom and I were talking about this the other day and she said that 30 years ago, people were so non-religious it was weird. Of course, that's her perception, but it did make me think. Other countries in the world aren't as religious (whatever that means) as us. I mean, they don't attend church as regularly, etc. Why are we, as Americans, so much the other way?

And now, in the year 2004 -- 2004, people!!!! -- we have a president who can say that god speaks through him....whatever!

[efhmc]

7. Just the other day, family members who were all brought up in church,

were worried about a "Christian" school and about a contractor that ided himself as a Christian. Worried because we see so many of these people as bigots and haters. Your actions should reveal you as a Christian, not your business sign. I am so appalled at these people, they have made us ashamed to say that we are Christians because so many of them are bigots and hate mongers. Surely we can see that that was not what Christ preached.

[delete_bush]

3. In normal times a person of little or no

accomplishment in life, regardless of heritage, would have scant chance of being elected President.

It is only because of the freaks that believe in the divinity of the chimp that he was elected in the first place.

[efhmc]

18. Remember that *bush was not elected to his first run at office but

in the old USA, enough money and a name and perseverance will get you anything.

[delete_bush]

24. so used to using the word 'election' this time of year

that I forgot. My apologies to the majority of the Nov. 2000 voters.

[Cleita]

6. I know there are the deluded ones, who believe everything they

are told. Remember though, we are still here, the turmoilers of the seventies. We have to get the college campuses fired up again. Canvassing, I have met people, who for the most part are well-informed because they have realized that the propaganda spread about Bush is just that, and they are looking for their information in other places.

We also have a nice liberal weekly throw away paper that has taken up the banner of spreading the truth. Now I live in a Republican area and the Democrats are fairly moderate, but you wouldn't believe the number of people telling me they plan to vote absentee because of the paper trail issue. Now there aren't that many DUers in my area, but the message is getting out. I know there is hope. Also, on my very Republican road, I haven't seen one Bush/Cheney yard sign, even though there are signs for the Republican candidates for local offices.

[efhmc]

10. I am so, so worried about the new generation. They seem to have no

souls or spirit. They are just computer, tv connected. That is so unhuman and makes me really, really SCARED.

[Cleita]

11. I have noticed lately that some are becoming aware of

the fact that their future is being snatched out from under them, and it seems it's mostly the girls who are noticing.

[efhmc]

14. It really boggles my mind when this generation makes light of those

who came before. In so many ways we were so ahead of these unenlightened, unthinking, unquestioning, unknowing, quick gratification youth.

[Sugarbleus]

8. Good points about the "nut house". Sorry for your sorrow....

I remember better days also...who would have 'thunk' we'd see times like these, EVER.

I'm dumbfounded myself. You are not alone; hang in their friend.

:hug: SB

[efhmc]

12. I talked to a another woman about the same age as I am and she

expressed the same thoughts I did. That in our minds by now we (our country) would be so far advanced in thinking that no one would ever or even question the idea of equality and freedom that we are now revisiting and refighting in a most primitive and obnoxious way. Those of us who already did this once are scared and shocked that this is a battle again and that our nation is really much more backward in our thinking that it ever was before.

[bobbieinok]

15. and I feel at times too old and tired and sick to have to fight these batt

battles again

at the local preparation for the big anti-war protest before Iraq, about half or more of the people present had protested in the 60s

and were saying....did you think then we'd have to do this all over again in 30 years?????

[efhmc]

19. Maybe that is why we are still here and still fighting because no one

else sees why this is so, so important. America is a 1000 times worse than anywhere and anytime I would ever believed possible.

[Sugarbleus]

22. I hope we don't get flamed for "whining" but I hear what you are saying

My heart is HEAVY with disappointment, disillusionment and many more emotions.

Almost nothing is like I thought it would be by now. Not education, not freedoms, not poverty issues, not global issues, not war issues... almost anything you can name. I guess we've made some progress in environmental issues since the 60's (still a way to go) but Whaaaaaaaaa? Yes, it does appear that we are going backwards in so many ways. I'm stunned.

Life just got harder, faster, cruder, blah blah.. Like you, I'm speechless how someone like Bush could EVER make it into the office of President of the United States!!

I worry and grieve for my Adult kids and their children. What will life be like for them? I see them struggling now. Frankly, I'm thrilled they didn't have any more children. The thought is just too scary in light of what is going on right now/today.

I keep fighting though because not doing so, is giving in. I will fight for justice and truth etc, until my last breath...which may be any day at this rate. whew! =o/

Be gentle to you~~Peace

[phish420]

17. Anyone know the quote on this?

I heard Luara say 'My husband never said he was sent by god or anything like that', but Im quite sure he did. Anyone have the quote and a source for it? Thanks.

[BeHereNow]

26. "Mission Accomplished" day

Bush quoted Isaiah 61 as he stood preening
on the boat in the uniform he had no right to wear.
Isaiah 61 is the verse quoted by Jesus to the
Church of Nazareth in Luke 4, to affirm to them that he
is indeed, the Messiah spoke of in the prophecies in the OT.
BLASPHEMY!
Of course your average person would not have caught the
significance- it was code to the fundies and an abberation
to Christians.
BHN

[Tsiyu]

20. C'Mon Wymmens

Don't give up now.

I, for one, think things are better in some ways. For example, we can talk openly about issues and problems that were forbidden subjects even in the seventies. Not that anyone DOES anything, but we can TALK about them. And that counts for something.

Sometimes I imagine that we DUers will be thrown in a dungeon together. But when i read other people's posts, i think for the most part I'd be in pretty good company. Hell, even if one person agrees with you, you have a friend and a cohort.

Go to the library. Check out an anti-Bush* book. Do a book report for us. While you're reading, get a live radio stream from Rio or Paris and listen to another language for a while. Keep hugging babies. Cause that's what it's all about.

And cheer the hell up. You're makin' me sad....:(

[BeHereNow]

23. There IS a solution...

The fact is- this country is insane.
A malevolent and diseased collective consciousness
has gripped the populace.
He who clings to hope at this point, is a fool
in my humble opinion.
It's going to get worse, and then it will get worse.
"Better" is not going to happen in our lifetimes.
http://www.escapeartist.com
BHN
Edited to fix link...go there, make your plan- NOW

[Tsiyu]

25. Easy to hold that view

but not with little ones around.

It's been a good life. If it ends with me fighting for what I believe in, I will have lived and died no less than many before me. Who am I, to feel so special that hardship and death are too good for me?

Do what you can friend. It's more productive than fatalistically letting your spirit die.

[BeHereNow]

27. Little ones are the very reason

you should be making your plan to LEAVE.
My "little one" is now 17 and now on the Bush cannon fodder
production line, thus, we are OUT of here.
If you have little ones, I suggest you figure out how to save
their lives. They have no future in this country.
BHN

[opihimoimoi]

28. The result of a lazy public who has been brainwashed to the point

of silliness...by unscrupulous greedy egotistical arrogant ass holes who are Control Hogs.