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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:13 AM
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Great LTTE re: Jon Stewart v. Ted Koppel (long, too!)
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 09:25 AM by bunnyj
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Friday, September 10, 2004


Mr. Koppel, here's why we watch 'The Daily Show'


I hope this is it. I hope television journalism has hit rock bottom like an alcoholic who wakes up on a downtown sidewalk and understands he must find a 12-step program.

If you stayed up late enough last Wednesday night to see the very end of Ted Koppel's "Nightline," you would have been able to witness just how obtuse television news reporting has become. Ted Koppel tried to teach an elementary lesson in Journalism with a capital J to "The Daily Show's" Jon Stewart, and was repeatedly verbally dope-slapped by the comedian to no apparent effect. Jon Stewart, as he frequently does, was stating the case that journalists were failing miserably at their job. So miserably, in fact, that many people feel they have to watch a basic cable fake news show to find "The Truth."

Mr. Koppel then patronizingly tried to explain to Mr. Stewart the difference between facts and the truth. He suggested that if the president gave a speech calling Mr. Koppel a rapist and pedophile that this assertion would be a fact and newsworthy in that the president called a famous, well-respected journalist a rapist and pedophile, even if the accusation were untrue.

Not being a journalist, I was dumbstruck. Mr. Koppel believes that the correct headline for a journalist to report on this hypothetical event is "President accuses journalist of pedophilia" because it is factually correct. I think the rest of us non-journalists would agree that the headline should be "President falsely accuses journalist of pedophilia." I have been trying to get my head around why journalism has gotten so bad in the past 20 years and Ted Koppel has finally shown me. When Gerald Ford mistakenly argued in a presidential debate with Jimmy Carter that Eastern Europe was not under the influence of the Soviet Union, yes, indeed, it was reported that he said this. But it was never reported without it being noted that he was completely wrong.

If President Bush makes a speech declaring that the moon is made of cheese, the headline is not "President declares moon made of cheese," the headline is "President delusional!" or "White House assures nation that president misspoke."

If you have been paying attention, you have seen this slide to the bottom coming for a long time. Newt Gingrich in the early '90s put the pedal to the metal when he developed his dirty words to call your opponent that won't be challenged. The press, pathetically, and the Democrats, even more pathetically, did nothing to call this slimy tactic by its proper name. This first inroad led us down the path to where we are now: the unchallenged assertion.

On MSNBC's "Hardball" last week, Sen. Rick Santorum finished up his interview with Chris Matthews with some stunning assertions about John Kerry: "Well, I mean, I only have to allude to his testimony before Congress ... And I think that kind of anti-American sentiment, that kind of America can't do it, America isn't good enough anymore, and sort of being critical, as he has been of the president, not supporting our troops, all that coming out in Pennsylvania is just not going to sell."

Well, thank goodness for Chris Matthews and his hard-hitting journalism and integrity. His "hardball" response? "OK. It's great talking to you tonight, Senator Rick Santorum, the junior senator from Pennsylvania."

OK. So for Rick Santorum and the panoply of militarily challenged members of the Bush-Cheney administration, every returning Vietnam veteran, every student, every reporter, every housewife, every member of Congress, and every soldier on a swift boat or in a jungle who opposed the Vietnam War were anti-American? Everyone who believed that Nixon and Kissinger and McNamara were conducting an unnecessary war in a reprehensible manner are anti-American?

Am I incorrect in thinking that our nation's general consensus is that those who opposed the war and literally fought to bring it to an end were courageous, patriotic Americans who fought an unpopular fight but in the end were proven right? "OK."

And thank goodness Sen. Santorum and Sen. Zell Miller are supporting our troops, because apparently if John Kerry were in charge, we'd be fighting "with spitballs." The idea of letting a leader of the majority party of the U.S. Senate say that one of its members from the loyal opposition does not support the troops is repugnant and should not go unchallenged. Why doesn't Chris Matthews (or any journalist for that matter) ask Mr. Santorum: If John Kerry voted for the $87 billion the first time, why didn't it pass? And how did Mr. Santorum and Mr. Miller and Dr. Frist and Mr. McCain vote that time?

And the next time someone says that Mr. Kerry or anyone voted "against body armor" or "against cancer research" or "to poison pregnant women" or any of those outlandishly stupid comments that pass for political discourse these days, shouldn't some high-profile journalist ask them about their obviously ludicrous implication: So you think Mr. Smith is for cancer? So you think Mr. Jones really hates our troops?

I don't care if George W. Bush doesn't do nuance, the rest of us do! We can understand that voting for a bill that includes both $87 billion to fund the Iraq war and tax rollbacks to finance it is different than voting for a bill that doesn't include the tax rollbacks. That second vote wasn't a vote against our troops, it was casting an unpopular vote to make a point that this administration is rolling up massive deficits that will come back to haunt us and our children.

But let's get back to Jon Stewart and Ted Koppel. Koppel has said recently that "a lot of television viewers -- more, quite frankly, than I'm comfortable with -- get their news from ... 'The Daily Show.' " As Stewart points out, that is because "The Daily Show" is willing to point out that what passes for political discourse by well-respected and supposedly well-trained broadcasters when they interact with the pull-string Chatty Cathy dolls spewing forth their disingenuous talking points is what it is, crap.

Mr. Stewart identifies himself as neither a Republican nor a Democrat and believes that the conservative/liberal paradigm no longer works. He is "anti-b.s." Consequently, the current administration, whose ability to make the aforementioned substance smell like reasonable public policy is epic, is a favorite target. And fortunately, Mr. Stewart and his staff apparently have resources not found at virtually any other news organization in the country: collectively, they have half a brain and the writers apparently devote some of their time to research.

Mr. Stewart believes that it is the job of real journalists to adjudicate our national political debate. In a recent segment with "Daily Show" "correspondent" Rob Corddry, Stewart asked about the factual basis of the swift boat vets' charges. "Facts?" said Corddry, "Our job is to parrot what one side says and then parrot back what the other side says!" Apparently this is what politicians can now reliably count on, but I hope the profession of journalism gets into a good 12-step program before the election.



Christopher M. Hughes, MD
Peters

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04254/376311.stm

edited headline for clarity

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:17 AM
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1. Great letter!
All his points are right on!
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:18 AM
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2. Thanks for the post.
:)
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:20 AM
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3. To clear up any and all confusion about Ted Koppel.
Ted Koppel, and for that matter Rather, Brokaw and Jennings, is not a journalist!

Ted Koppel is a News-Reader.

Jon Stewart is a comedian who does more journalistic research on the news stories he reads than does Koppel.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:20 AM
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4. Excellent; simply excellent!
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:20 AM
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5. Simply Outstanding!
Job well done. :thumbsup:
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:23 AM
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6. Great letter!
I e-mailed it to my son.

We discussed this recently. We know why many people get their news from the Daily Show, even though many journalists are too obtuse to undertand it.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:29 AM
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7. Should be a front page Op Ed in the Washington Post. n/t
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:29 AM
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8. Excellent, but the letter could be much more succinct:
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 09:30 AM by priller
"When Jon Stewart hears the bullshit, he calls them on it. You don't, Ted. Simple as that."


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progressivejazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:03 AM
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9. Great letter!
Thanks for posting it.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:32 AM
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10. KICK for an excellent letter
:kick:
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Kid_A Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:34 AM
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11. The Daily Show does something that every news program should do.
And it's so simple. For example, a few weeks ago TDS ran a segment on Dick Cheney's interview in his Underground Lair, and during the course of the interview he said something that was blatantly false, not to mention a total contradiction of something he said two years ago. TDS showed the video of the recent interview, then showed a clip of him saying the EXACT OPPOSITE two years ago. It showed him for liar that he is, and all it took was a little research and a pair of journalistic testicles. If a fake news show on a basic cable comedy channel can do this, then so can the "real" news shows.

The best thing about The Daily Show is that it's held to a lower standard than the real news shows, which means that Karl Rove and his henchmen don't scrutinize every show attempting the discredit anything critical of their side, like happened with the 60 Minutes segment last wednesday. By operating under the radar, The Daily Show can get away with things that would get the GOP's media police to shut down any other cable news show.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:49 AM
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15. I agree, every program should do that
And I disagree that TDS can get away with things others cannot. Other shows choose not to do it - that is different than inability.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:35 AM
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21. Bingo
I watched in horrified amazement at Peter Jennings interviewing Karl Rove during NaziCon 2004. Rove said all sorts of wacky-assed stuff (i.e. Iraq war is like the conflict in N Ireland) PLUS denied the undeniable PLUS put out yet more lies -- and Jennings just sat there in respectful silence, not asking questions, not following up, not challenging wild assertions.

I *used* to like Jennings. He is a smart man. He understands a lot of issues thoroughly. He knew this was BS, and yet he sat there, like an abused puppy waiting for his bisquit.

Truly, the establishment press fear being ostracized by the adminstration, and so they are silent and passive. I say that the consequences of their silence will be far more grave for this nation and the world that any consequences caused by confrontation and engagement.

You're right -- they CHOOSE not to do it. Watching the establishment broadcast media is only slightly less "Bizarro World" than watching the at least honestly partisan Fox -- because they never seem to talk about anything that's really important or what is painfully obvious. Only Jon Stewart does that. Truly, his is the voice of our ironic times.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:41 AM
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12. Wow. Kapow!!! Great letter
Koppel is very much full of himself.

If he wants to be respected and have his show viewed, maybe he should consider becoming a journalist. It would be unique in this day and time.

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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:41 AM
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13. That was GREAT! OUTSTANDING!
journalism in this country is reaching an all new low...
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:48 AM
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14. Exactly
What is up Koppel's ass about the Daily Show? He was pretty clearly hostile when John had him on during the RNC.

I don't go to the Daily Show for facts. I watch it for the Truth. And that speaks to credibility, as Stewart has already pointed out to his face.

Credibility is its own reward, as these media whores may someday learn, to their dismay.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:50 AM
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16. If Nightline had called Cheney out on his outright lie
like The Daily Show did, I might actually watch it instead of The Daily Show. Until then, I realize The Daily Show is going to go that extra yard to point out the absurdities.

Honestly, I think The Daily Howler needs to be a Sunday TV show pointing out all the buffonery of the media.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:00 AM
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17. Only one addition that I would suggest.......
And that is......... that making "false assertions" is UnAmerican.

That digging for the real truth, and exposing lies and dirty shennanigans for what they are is PATRIOTIC.

It's time to turn it around and say it for what it really is, instead of constantly defending ourselves.

Great letter, and I hope it's widely read!

Kanary
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:00 AM
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18. Koppel and ABC for that matter, is not Journalism.
It's government propaganda.

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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:07 AM
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19. Ted, the difference is, you bend over and take it when asked.
While Jon Stewart refuses to be a whore. F U Ted.
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vogonity Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:10 AM
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20. Koppel called "bullshit" on Nightline.
Didn't Koppel himself call "bullshit" on someone during a Nightline broadcast a few years ago? I tried to look for a quote, but with the state of journalism today, "Koppel" and "bullshit" gave me like 3000 hits on Google.

Whats the matter Ted? You just report "facts?"

Here's a "fact."

GWB-- Worst President in American History. Period.

And I used to kinda like Ted.
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