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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:36 PM
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Source of "fake documents" story is a far right wacko!!!
You've gotta read about this guy - L. Brent Bozell III! Prominent Reich-Wing leader lunatic! Some source!

:puke:

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=291
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:38 PM
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1. He was the source?
Why am I not surprised?
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POed_Ex_Repub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:43 PM
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3. More importantly, why doesn't the media question it?
Shouldn't the source of an allegation be the first thing they examine? I'm just sick.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:00 PM
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15. The fix is in definitely in, folks! 60 Minutes preempted in many cities!
Outrageous shit being pulled by the fascist corporate media!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:47 PM
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8. For teh same reason I am not
now, CBS SHOULD lead with this story, wanna bet they won't
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:01 PM
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16. You'd think they would, but...nooooooooooooooo!
Sickening!

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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:40 PM
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2. Nice. He is one of the worst.
They all need to be exposed.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:43 PM
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4. You didn't expect that a level headed normal guy would have
bothered to do an OJ Simpson on this evidence?
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:03 PM
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17. Evidence? The only evidence that matters today is who shout the loudest
On fascist cable news or hate radio - that's "evidence!"
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:45 PM
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5. Brent Bozell is funded by Scaife
and is the nephew of McCarthyite William F. Buckley of National Review.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:48 PM
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11. Brent Bozell
was also mentioned prominently in Lewis Lapham's article for Harper's titled The Tentacles of Rage. This is a must read article. If you search on DU, someone posted a link to an online version of it. Personally, I stole the magazine from a friend.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:46 PM
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6. Brent Bozzell?
Wait, am I confusing him with a faded news reporter? Red hair? Started his own media organization because the regular news wasn't right enough???
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:47 PM
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10. Yep, that's him
And his organization is propped up by a boat load of Scaife money.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:48 PM
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12. The one and the same, IIRC
I believe he is the same guy. I thought he left the scene years ago, but apparently he's back. What strange and frightful times we are living in! :scared:
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:05 PM
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18. These evil f*ckers NEVER leave the scene for long!!
:mad:
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:50 PM
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13. Speaking of which
Why do so many of these guys look as if they've had their face bashed in with a frying pan?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:47 PM
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7. And there you have it in a nutshell...thanks! Good work!
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MUSTANG_2004 Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:47 PM
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9. Not LGF?
I thought it was Charles Johnson at LittleGreenFootballs.com
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Red State Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:52 PM
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14. The source of the initial claims of forgery was a Freeper
They have a thread over there patting each other on the back. One of them brought it up, it got posted to a blog, then went from there.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:12 PM
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19. i got this from a blog.......
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 01:13 PM by Joanne98
# Posted 10:16 AM by Patrick Belton
IT WAS BAD ENOUGH WHEN this election was about 1970s war records. When it became about 1970s typewriters, I decided to go write my dissertation.

Incidentally, from the steady stream of email I've been getting since my one foray into the subject this morning, the strongest argument seems to me to be the fact that Times New Roman didn't appear on Selectric typewriters, being owned (the emails tell me) by Monotype. The second strongest argument is, having served briefly in a national security branch of government, it seems from my own experience highly unlikely that anyone other than possibly a young Marine would devote the thirty seconds to changing Selectric balls and typing 'th' after ordinal numbers in superscripts. (Our Marine embassy guards, at three in the morning, would begin scrubbing things at random, occasionally to include my computer. One even tried to teach me better ways to do push-ups, around 4 am.)

# Posted 6:24 AM by Patrick Belton
GARY FARBER TAKES apart a few silly media myths appearing in the WaPo, ABC, and elsewhere this morning about typewriters in the Seventies. He, you see, was there:

So now we hear that the Bush documents may be forgeries. Are they? I have no idea. But I do know some things that are nonsense when I see them.... 'The experts also raised questions about the military's typewriter technology three decades ago. Collins said word processors that could produce proportional-sized fonts cost upwards of $20,000 at the time.' 'I'm not real sure that you would have that kind of sophistication in the office of a flight inspector in the United States government,' Showker said. 'The only thing it could be, possibly, is an IBM golf ball typewriter, which came out around the early to middle 1970s,' Haley said. 'Those did have proportional fonts on them. But they weren't widely used.'
Instead of talking to 'experts,' the Post and ABC might have done a bit of googling instead:
The IBM Executive uses a unique system of letter spacing... instead of every character taking exactly the same space on the writing line, as on standard typewriters, thin letters get narrower space, wide letters get the wider space needed. So, each word, each line, is more attractive, and more legible, and the overall appearance is outstanding. (from IBM Executive advertisement, 1953)
As Farber notes, 'They in no way cost "$20,000" or even $2000. They sold new for a few hundred dollars.'

More poor research appears in the bit about superscripts: ABC's expert Haley says 'There weren't any typewriters that did that.... That looks like it might be a function of something like Microsoft Word, which does that automatically.' Or you could listen to a blogger who was there, who says 'it might have been done by a Selectric, which most certainly did superscripts and subscripts. All you had to do is switch golfballs. Doesn't anyone remember actually using these things?'

Well, OxBlog doesn't. But we're glad that there are people in the blogosphere who do, since the mainstream media's typewriter experts apparently don't, either.

UPDATE: A counterpoint, also from the blogosphere. Personally, I should note that like Josh, I believe rather strongly that elections should be fought on ideas, instead of the Vietnam war records of either candidate, which I consider an irrelevance and a distraction. However, as long as we're trafficking in irrelevances, I'm delighted that the blogosphere is capable of doing so at a factual level above what we've seen from the more established forms of journalism.

http://oxblog.blogspot.com/2004_09_05_oxblog_archive.html#109481251096105902
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