New Democratic Network and Democratic Leadership Council

[Eric J in MN]

Simon Rosenberg, leader of the New Democratic Network, used to work for the DLC, but he also used to work for the Michael Dukakis campaign and the Bill Clinton campaign.

NDN seems like a good organization to me, based on their website.

Do you agree or disgree that NDN is a good organization?

www.newdem.org

[ulysses]

1. disagree

but then, that's my crazy, liberal ass.

[Eric J in MN]

2. Tell me one bad thing NDN has done (nt)

nt

[ulysses]

4. I don't view the NDN and the DLC separately.

In that light, I give you welfare "reform".

[PROGRESSIVE1]

3. The NDN is "O.K", it has some flaws but they....

try to reconsile the two ends of the party. The DLC however, is NEO-CON HELL!!!

:puke:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. "New Democrats" like "New Labour" = Old moderates.

The moderate republican wing of the Democratic Party. Just read their "agenda" - Lots of stuff about "capitalism", "fair and free trade", all the usual tripe aimed at the wannabee wealthy.

Their "agenda" of foreign affairs speaks for itself:

"Assert Responsible Global Leadership: Win the war on terrorism and end international conflicts that threaten our interests and values; foster security and democracy in Iraq; ensure that America's military is the strongest, most agile, and best equipped in the world;..."

Hell, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz could've written that.

Looks like the DLC, sounds like the DLC, and has the same rancid(R) smell of the DLC.

[bvar22]

6. I will be happy with the DLC & new dems.....

....when stakes are driven through their cold greedy hearts, their bodies thrown back in their coffins, and the coffins delivered back to the Corporate Boardrooms where they were born!

Give me that old style Democratic Party,
The Party of Roosevelt,
The Party that freed the laborers, busted the monopolies, empowered the middleclass,
and made this the mightiest economic engine on the planet.

Don't need no steenkin new dems.

[Kanary]

8. You just cheered up my Saturday! I can picture those stakes now!

Cold, greedy hearts, indeed!

I wish they would just admit to being RW, and do the right thing and change their registration.

Their slick subversion is almost worse than the RW.

Kanary

[Eric J in MN]

7. kick

kick

[Eric J in MN]

9. kick

kick

[Cheswick2.0]

10. not good

All the democrats who I respect are progressive and associated with the 21st Century Democrats.
New democrats are DLC.

[Rose Siding]

11. Rosenberg embraced Dean

and the emergence of the bottom up labor unions- SEIU and AFSME. Are you sure that the DLC and NDN are both tainted? I think the DLC is a serious danger to a broad coalition within the party but I haven't seen that yet with the NDN. Beinart portrays them with distinct differences-

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By contrast, the New Democrat Network's event--at a bar in the shadow of Fenway Park--was younger, more diverse, and more self-promotional. NDN is riding high these days, having been featured in a cover story in this week's New York Times Magazine, and it's hosting a blizzard of events all week. Unlike the DLC, there are no policy forums--the briefings are about political strategy. If NDN has an ideology, it seems to be that ideology is secondary; that Democrats need to embrace whatever and whoever can win. (While the DLC scorned Howard Dean in the primaries, NDN head Simon Rosenberg embraced him.) NDN embodies that message itself--while the DLC keeps plugging away at its standby issues (with a particular recent focus on national security), NDN has launched something called the Hispanic Project, aimed at tapping into a hot political demographic.

NDN probably better represents this convention's utilitarian spirit. And there's no question that, at least in the short term, that spirit is paying political dividends. But in the long run, it's the DLC's message that the party needs to remember. Ideas have consequences, and so do their absence.

http://tnr.com/blog/dnc?pid=1837

[ulysses]

12. this isn't so far removed from the DLC:

If NDN has an ideology, it seems to be that ideology is secondary; that Democrats need to embrace whatever and whoever can win.

And that's a big part of the problem and why the party has slid to the right.

[Kanary]

13. "whatever and whoever can win"

So, since RW ideas and candidates are winning, then work for them and vote for them.

:wtf:

Kanary, who has a perfectly good sig about this..........

[K-W]

18. The same logic that made CNN #1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)

[Rose Siding]

16. That's Beinart's characterization

I don't think it's an accurate one.

[Eric J in MN]

17. What do you think NDN's ideas are? nt

nt

[Rose Siding]

20. Here are their stated ideas-

Democrats should work together to offer a new, optimistic, clear, achievable governing agenda that strongly affirms the common purpose of progressive politics, and brings along Democrats, Independents, and disaffected Republicans in a sustaining majority coalition committed to ensuring that the world we are leaving for our children is a better one than has been left for us.

There's also an agenda at this link, although it isn't terribly specific-

A Commitment to Hope and Progress
NDN's Agenda for the First Decade of the 21st Century

http://www.newdem.org/agenda/

So far, they impress me as being in line with more populist values than the DLC. For instance, they spent money on these ads-

http://www.newdem.org/

[Eric J in MN]

21. Most Democrats would agree with that general goal (nt)

nt

[Eric J in MN]

15. Thanks for the link to the article (nt)

nt

[Zhade]

14. Koch Brothers + DLC = 'nuff said.

The DLC is the Trojan Horse in the Democratic party.

They are not to be trusted, because they do not have the people's interests at heart.

But don't believe me, Google the above, or search on DU. Much info out there to back my comments up.

Beware the DLC.

[FarLeftRage]

19. Don't really know that much

about the NDN... but I despise the dlc as much as I h8 the kkk or the nswpp, since they are in the same league as the kkk and the nswpp.