Why I think "60 Minutes" is going to get the Jim Hatfield treatment.

[BiggJawn]

You remember Hatfield, right? Wrote "Fortunate Son" with lots of intimate details garnered in an interview with Unkel Karl?

St. Martin's Press had 70,000 copies out in disribution when Karl came forward and said "What is this shit? I never talked to any Jim Hatfiled. Pull this pack of lies or we will OWN your press..."
To make a long story short, Jim killed himself over the smear campaign Rove unleashed on him.

What's that got to do with "60 Minutes"?
The memos. Let's say, just for the sake of discussion, that these memos are GOP/RNC fabrications. Rove got them to somebody the producers at CBS trust, somebody who is unaware of the origin of the documents.

CBS is already adamant about sticking with their story. they have unshakable faith in their sources.

OK, now cue some lackey of Rove's who comes foward with some tale of how he made the shit up on a thrift-store $10 IBM. why? well, "To show that the 'Liberal Media' will stop at NOTHING to smear the good name and reputation of our Holy Leader, that's why..."

CBS winds up with egg on its face, Rove smiles, and PigBoy pops another fistfull of oxys and "Harumpfs" his way through 3 weeks of screaming about how dastardly CBS is.

Then after months of in-the-toilet ratings, CBS cancels "60 Minutes" after HOW many decades?

Karl Rove smiles.

:tinfoilhat:

[Frances]

1. Rather is from Texas

He wouldn't fall for a Rove trick

But if Bush is reelected what is left of our free press will be gone.

[BiggJawn]

3. He doesn't KNOW it's a Rove trick, though.

The people he got the memos from didn't know they're fake.

Hey, I'm a Cynic of the highest order and in a foul misanthropic mood anyway tonight.

For me, NOTHING is beyond imagining if it's evil.

[Catherine Vincent]

2. I think you need to go back to watching those two kids screwing out your

window.:-)

[BiggJawn]

4. They're gone...

Nothing left but my thoughts and fears.

[realisticphish]

8. well, that and

some ruined car upholstry :evilgrin:


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[ElectroPrincess]

19. I would be willing to buy into your theory except for the notion

that CBS has numerous sources that confirm the information within these memos. I concur with "what's left of the free press". I sarcastically emailed CNN Headline News yesterday requesting that they kindly forward me Rove's talking points and spin for each day so I can always stay on message ... in support of the anointed one. :P

[ContinentalOp]

5. Absurd

So you're saying that you think the documents were forgeries but that they WERE typed on a proper vintage IBM typewriter? That's a new one. The whole basis of all of the bullshit questioning of the docs was that they were suppsoed to have been typed in MS Word. Get your talking points straight.

[BiggJawn]

6. Get YOURS straight, Bunky....

The latest story is that they WERE typed on a Selectric, but the Lt. Colonel would not have had access to an "Executive" or would not have know how to operate it."Very difficult machine to operate, requiring special training..." is how the story I heard put it.

Catch the late news instead of "Must See Reality Tee-Vee", OK?

[Catherine Vincent]

7. A Selectric a difficult machine to operate?

Good lord. All you do is replace the balls (elements) to what font you want to use and start typing (or pecking).

[ContinentalOp]

9. The late news eh? Was that Fox?

I'm sorry if I can't keep up with latest flip-flops in the freepers' forgery fantasies. Last I heard they were saying this doc was printed from MS Word but now you say the story is simply an argument over which model IBM was used? And as far as the "special training" required to operate this machine, I can believe that this Colonel didn't have it as his specialty was apparently getting fortunate sons out of a jam. But do you think there could have been someone around the office who did have the necessary esoteric training? Like oh, say, a secretary?

[BiggJawn]

14. Go to this link, please.

Please also note that it's not FAUXNOOZ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x818446

All I can do is repeat what I've heard, and that's right, they said "specialized training".
I have to wonder, if a Selectric is so damn hard to operate, why were Typists traditonally payed such shitty wages?

[RebelOne]

17. "Specialized training" That's such a crock.

I used a Selectric for years with no "specialized training." If you can operate a typewriter, you can use a Selectric.

[Blue Wally]

16. National Guard and Reserve clerks

were traditionally terrible typists. The only thing going for administration in the reserve components before word processing were that the officers responisble for administration were usually professional men who had secretaries in their civilian jobs. I would bet that at least a third of all typewriting in the reserve components before PCs was done "off the books" by secretaries working for civilian companies. LTC Killian's memos may well have been typed by his secretary in civil;ian life (who probably had a state of the art typewriter).

[sandnsea]

11. Yeah, Lt. Colonel's type

Can we have a DU thinking cap avatar for people who fail to engage their brain before their fingers.

[Union Thug]

13. um... 14 year old jr. high school kids...

...were being taught to type on selectrics. I was one of them. I can assure you, they are not 'difficult' to operate.

If that's the best they can do, they may as well go jump off a building. They're done.

[AlCzervik]

20. We had those in typing class as well.

1981 i was a freshman in highschool, every typwriter the school had was a selectric. the whole thing about them being hard to use is pretty lame arguement. It's a typewriter not an atom smasher.

[Longhorn]

23. Here's how you changed the element on a Selectric:

You lifted the plastic tab on the top, removed the element (round ball with raised type all over it), set it down and pick up the new element, place it on the spindle, and push the tab down till it clicked. That's it, at least from what I can remember!

[stickdog]

10. Except the documents are 100% REAL. All of this NOISE is just the stuck

pig squealing.

[progressivebydesign]

12. Rove's not that smart, only evil. n/t

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

15. Well, it seems far-fetched on the surface, but it does fit Rove's M.O.

I can't deny that I didn't have the same thoughts about these documents.

However, it's more likely that Rove and his brood of scum sucking Repukes are quite content to paint over the real issue of Bush's cowardice by reframing the issue to the authenticity of the documents.

JB

[goclark]

18. They can reframe because they own the Media

They know their message will get out there and stay out there.
Our message will not be heard unless we do Paul Revere's Ride.

They also know that the Republicans will stick with the story that they tell their faithful Lord and Savior followers---- and never waver! Democrats do not!

We are always trying to figure out if something is right or wrong. We want to review each detail. We are always trying to find out if everything is true. We do it because we are smart and seek to know the truth, whereever it may lead us.

That approach is what Rove knows about us.He uses it to his best advantage. That "Seek The Truth" approach will lose this election for us. And, if we are so smart, beat them at their own game. Outfox them!

I can tell you this,I am STICKING with the DAN RATHER report.
Repeat after me...

"I(and say your name) believe Dan Rather! The documents are true and GW was AWOL and DID NOT honor his country! He is UNFIT to SERVE!!"

Put the tape in and keep it in .
Tell it to everyone you know.
Wear it on your Tee Shirt.
Call Cspan and tell them
Write to your local paper

Say it LOUD and BE MEAN ABOUT IT (just like they do)

[ElectroPrincess]

21. Yes, I copy :-)

Hey goclark,

I hate to bleat in unison ... most of us progressives pride ourselves with our tolerance and diversity.

HOWEVER, we need a certain extent on unity to kick GWB out in November. The forgoing is all important to the future health of our Democratic Republic. Therefore, I'm willing to stay on message ... yes, to *be assimilated* <eg> for the greater good until after the presidential election.

BTW I love Kitty Kelly. She speaks truth to power ... she's a true God fearin' woman who backs up her sources ... God bless her noble efforts to reveal the truth behind the Bush dynasty. <tongue-in-cheek>

Let the bleating an mudslinging begin!

[goclark]

22. Yea for ElectroPrincess!!!! nt

[BiggJawn]

24. Yes, it DOES fit his MO....Some further thoughts, too.

I should learn not to post at almost 2AM, though.

What I should have said was that it makes NO difference if the memos are authentic or not, because Rove may yet produce some shill who claims that he forged them to discredit CBS.

In fact, that would be SO easy for the lucky evil puppetmaster that he could set it all up before his morning shit.

He told Hatfield the truth, then denied that he even spoke to Jim, then set the smear machine loose on him. In this case, CBS has the truth, Rove (I'll say it again) produces some shill to claim authorship. Same results, just a different path to get there. Seeds of doubt have been sown, now let his "Liberal Media" pour on the Miracle-Grow.

I personally believe the memos are the Real Deal. I don't care what the Colonel's son says, buddy, I gotta tell you, your dad probably did and knew things your MOM didn't even know about.