Some were pissed off about this suggestion

[CatWoman]

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Actually,

I was sort of thinking the same thing....

[gmoney]

2. Ivan seems to be headed for Tallahassee

Shame that the good folks in Florida all have to suffer for the crimes of BushCo crooks

[bluestateguy]

3. Oh yeah. We can play this "God's retribution" game too.

[goddess40]

24. If they had given Gore Florida (like they should have)

you can bet the right wingers would be playing this card.

(We've been saying this since the first one hit.)

[madfloridian]

4. May I laugh when Ivan is over?

We have had two eyes pass within 15 miles of us. Ivan can do it as well, if just one pressure system shifts.

I will laugh later.

[Toucano]

10. Good luck, madfla

We'll be thinking of you.

[madfloridian]

59. Thanks, we may get lucky this time, but not sure yet.

One little movement by the pressure system could send it eastward over us. Thanks for the kind words.

[liberalmuse]

5. I've talked to people in FL and NC...

They seem to think the same thing. A lady I talked to Friday morning said she'd lived in Florida for 32 years and had never seen anything like this. She's had to evacuate twice already, and is now housing some friends who had to evacuate. A lady from NC suggested it was some kind of divine retribution. I think there are too many good people in Florida for me to believe that. Though I'm not religious, sometimes I have to wonder if having an evil leader is reaping us some bad karma.

[krkaufman]

11. Ask her....

... if the 2000 election was due to supernatural intervention, would God have intervened by having votes thrown out, not allowed, and ignored? Methinks if there was a supernatural intervention, it wasn't beneficent (i.e. divine). (And the subsequent 3 1/2 years have unfortunately confirmed this theory.)

[Raster]

6. two words: jeb bush

[madfloridian]

7. Why would anyone be pissed off?....

Heck, we only have a few thousands in our area without power. Of course others elsewhere have more. I could give more details of how much debris is all over. No sense cleaning it up. Neighbors still have trees on their roofs, tarps over roofs, and boarded up windows.

Lots of fun.

[CatWoman]

12. There was a thread in LBN the other day

and a poster suggested that it was God's retribution that Florida was being hit so hard by all these storms.

And that thread turned to flames because some Floridians didn't take too kindly to the comment.

[FlemingsGhost]

15. "God's retribution."

Wow. The ultimate term of personal sabotage and self-loathing.

[madfloridian]

17. Ordinarily, I would not object at all. I would consider it quite true.

This is not an ordinary time. It has been heartbreaking and painful. So I will laugh later.

I posted a thread about conditions and tempers and shortages of water and gas, etc.

It was turned into something ugly because someone compared us with Iraq, called us whiny just because of 5 days without power.

Right now it is not funny. Maybe later.

[FlemingsGhost]

23. Let's revisit that thread, shall we?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2326172&mesg_id=2326172

That's "ugly?" Who called you "whiny?"

[madfloridian]

26. Sorry, wrong title: Here is the subject line.

"Spent 18 hours with howling wind,rain....CNN says we are doing fine."

It is now archived.

[FlemingsGhost]

30. Sorry if I seem touchy.

I thought perhaps I was the object of your scorn. My comments on that thread had an edge for sure, but there was a valid point to be made. I did not intend to offend.

Good luck, be safe.

[madfloridian]

31. It did offend. You minimized our plight because of Iraq.

Mainly because there is nothing we can do about Iraq. It is too late. Our own party is not coming out against it. Yes, that is why it was offensive.

Now, for another reason. It is just really non-caring to post such stuff when people are suffering. I did not bomb Iraq, I protested against going there. I cry for those people.

I supported a candidate who said it was wrong, until he was no longer there to support.

Our own party is not saying one damn word about those people in Iraq, so what the hell should Floridians do about it?

Dems Unite? Not this way, my friend. I did not vote for that damn war.

[FlemingsGhost]

34. I didn't minimize your plight.

The suffering being experienced in Iraq does that all by itself.

I simply delivered the message.

[madfloridian]

39. We Floridians did not attack Iraq. That is not a strong position.

You are implying that I and others here do not care about Iraqis. That is just not fair.

Let's see, God's wrath is on us because of Iraq and the 2000 election. Good grief.

I care more about the innocent Iraqis and the plight of our poor military than did the ones who sent us there and refuse to acknowledge their plight.

[FlemingsGhost]

44. I didn't imply that either.

Read the thread again.

By the way, of course Floridians invaded Iraq. We, as a nation, committed the crime. All fifty states.

[madfloridian]

47. I remember the thread quite well. I will not accept blame for Iraq.

No, I did NOT commit the crime of Iraq. I fought every congress person and every presidential candidate who voted for it. No, I refuse to accept blame for Iraq.

I called the campaign offices of two of the candidates on the day the bombs starting falling on Iraq. I said how do you like your vote now? They said they regretted the killing, but supported the vote.

They still do. I will not accept blame.

[FlemingsGhost]

51. I'm sorry to say, you're going to have to accept blame ...

Our lifestyles alone, make us all complicit.

Sucks, huh?

[madfloridian]

53. That is insulting. Our Democrats voted for the war....not me.

I begged. I will not respond to you anymore.

[FlemingsGhost]

56. Fair enough. We strayed far from the original topic, anyway.

Get some rest. Stay safe.

Peace

[Fla_Democrat]

45. Really?

"some Floridians didn't take too kindly to the comment."

Go figure.

I got this same "joke" from a dear lady in Virginia tonight in my e-mail. I wonder, if I am dead or homeless come Wednesday morning, will she still see the humor in it? :shrug:

[RevCheesehead]

16. I'm worried about all the previous debris compounding the problem.

Believe me, you're in our prayers.

[FlemingsGhost]

8. Who's god is a spiteful force of death and destruction?

Besides Dubya and his ilk, of course.

[madfloridian]

9. The God of DU, of course.

.

[unfrigginreal]

18. I think you mean Gods madfla...

there's plenty more than one, just ask them. BTW, I hope you're spared from Ivan and best of luck getting things back to normal.

[kskiska]

13. Maybe Pat Robertson will say a prayer

and it will hit California or New York instead.
:hi: Hi, Cat!

[CatWoman]

14. LOL

:hi: Kathy!!!

[Cha]

32. The Karma got Kauai in '92!

Pure Devastion..but after the terrifying storm there came renewal and revitalization.

It's not fun while it's happening but down the road maybe there will be that same kind of thing in Florida.

I certainly hope so!

Peace and Bon Chance to all Floridians!

[PartyPooper]

19. Why does God hate America?

First, He gave us George Bush...and now all of these friggin' hurricanes.

:crazy:

[kayell]

20. Since my daughter and granddaughter are in the path of that thing

I'm having trouble finding it amusing right now.

[madfloridian]

28. It is in very poor taste to blame victims.

I cried over the 2000 election for ages. There was anger here, there were protests, nothing mattered. It is just like now, where the arrogant bastards in the white house just lie, lie some more, and then blame kerry and the democrats.

This is just tasteless.

[AntiFascist]

21. global warming

After ripping past Jamaican dance halls it is now headed towards southern conservatives.

[madfloridian]

22. Send this to our Florida Democrats. It is more their fault than anyones.

I understand the reference to elections, but that would be the Secretary of State, not division of elections. Secretary has the power.

Our little group here is working hard, but our local DEC refused to sign the petition card for our candidate who was pro-choice, intelligent, and financially aware.

Instead they made sure one got in who is anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-social programs....in other words a Republican. He stated publicly he was not sure what he was doing here. He was pushed and campaigned for by the Catholic Church.

Then the local churches told everyone who to vote for.

So our DFA group here is working hard to get progressive intelligent candidates, and we are fought by our own party.

There will be no change in Florida this time, but it will not be the fault of Republicans. Ask JCMach1. He knows. When he ran in 2002, his local DEC worked against him.

Get back to me later on God's Retribution. And save it for our Democrats here.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

25. It's "divine retribution" only in this sense:

Actions have consequences. Humans have been messing up the environment with runaway land development, building more and more roads, draining aquifers, overfishing, chopping down old growth trees, draining swamps, destroying wildlife habitat, burning unnecessary fossil fuels and so on and so on for far too long.

It's global warming, folks, and the climatologists told us that some of the earliest signs would be not only higher temperatures, but also greater extremes of temperatures and more violent and frequent storms. It isn't just the Caribbean, you know. East Asia has had an amazing *seventeen* typhoons this years, and Tokyo, steamy during most summers, is having its hottest summer/fall in decades, with temps five to ten degrees Fahrenheit above normal.

We are in trouble, and we're not even trying to stop it, because we like our cars and our trophy houses and our wars for oil and all the other destructive forces, and besides, every time there's a bit of unseasonable cool weather, some freeper writes in to the newspaper and says,"See? There's no such thing as global warming."

[CatWoman]

27. my boss is from Puerto Rico

and he was explaining that to me yesterday.

He said that normally the tradewinds keep Puerto Rico safe from hurricanes, as they almost always help in their change of direction.

But with global warming, these storms are only becoming more intense and ferocious.

[madfloridian]

29. This thread is a perfect example of what our own party has done to us.

It started before 2000 but it came to fruition then. Talk to the party leaders who manipulate us, who refused to stand up to the Bush steamroller here in 2000. Now we get preached to here at a Democratic forum if we want our party to condemn this horrible war, speak out.

Most of the people here are real Democrats.

I am ashamed of the lack of caring over our plight here.
Yeh, I know. I am a whiny half-assed martyr. Yeh, I know that already. Been called that enough here.

[FlemingsGhost]

33. We are the Party ... and we've done it to ourselves.

Our futures are not in our leader's hands, mad. Their futures are in ours.

It is understandable to think otherwise, however. After all, we are a species who superstitiously thinks perhaps "God" is engineering catatrophes for the sake of political retribution. Even in jest, it is an interesting commentary regarding the notions of God, self and personal empowerment.

(edited for clarity)

[madfloridian]

41. No, they are not standing up for us.

I am sorry, but our Democrats left us hanging by the chads in 2000, they voted for Bush's evil war, and they now refuse to even say it is wrong.

Tell me how that is my fault.

[Momma Mia]

36. Mad Floridian ...

I am with you!

That cartoon was definitely not funny!

We have friends in Florida that we are worried about, for the 3rd. time already, in one month!!!

We are also worried about another friend's son , who is visiting the Cayman Islands at the moment. Think that they are gonna be hit sometime in the early hours of tomorrow morning.

Praying and crossing fingers for ALL of you!

Have said a prayer for you and your family. Please keep safe!

:loveya: ~ MM

[madfloridian]

42. Thanks. The Caymans will get huge trouble, I fear.

I hope your friend's son will be ok.

[HopeIsNowHere]

35. It's a stupid and disgraceful cartoon

Leave the Christians alone.

[FlemingsGhost]

37. Huh? Who's said anything about Christians?

Persecution Complex, anyone?

[CatWoman]

40. Idiocy, as well as hope, is here too

[HopeIsNowHere]

43. Using God in politics is idiocy

Agree?

[CatWoman]

46. I don't get carried away with hysterics

I try not to anyway.

[madfloridian]

49. If this was offensive in the other thread, why did you post it again?

Just asking.

[CatWoman]

50. This cartoon wasn't posted in the other thread

the suggestion was.

I posted the cartoon because besides liking it, it shows that said suggestion is on others minds -- others outside of DU.

I enjoy political cartoons.

So shoot me.

I find this cartoon no more offensive than some of MoPaul's work.

as my original thread said, "some were pissed off".

Count me as one who was not and is not.

[madfloridian]

55. A little bit of fun over our plight. Ok.

Lots of chuckles.

[CatWoman]

57. sorry -- I have a warped sense of humor

I'm not making fun of "your plight".

Take it up with the cartoonist -- I didn't draw the damn thing.

[FlemingsGhost]

48. You just did it.

And yes, now that there is a shining example for all to see, I agree completely.

[Piperay]

61. Christians????

:wtf: you must have been smoking something that caused you hallucinations.

[KitSileya]

38. I was actually going to make such a comment

on a post in a friend's livejournal - this toon just perfectly captured what I was going to write.

But I changed my mind, for I cannot but help think that the poor people who are suffering most because of these hurricanes are the exact same people whom Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush screwed four years ago. I do not believe in a God who would do such a thing.

But I must admit that this toon captures perfectly the first thought that ran thru my mind when my friend posted about Ivan.

[madfloridian]

52. We have two neighbors who live alone with health problems.

We see to a lot of their needs. One had heart problems during the 18 hour onslaught of Frances, as the eye passed over us. We stayed on the phone with him, as he took his nitro and a tranquilizing medication. Fortunately he was ok. That is good, because for 18 hours we could have gone nowhere.

There was not emergency service such as ambulances or police or anything. If he had had a real heart attack, there was nothing we could have done.

So, do I have a sense of humor about God's retribution? You bet I don't.

Do I think it is good taste to be compared to Iraqis? You bet I don't. I did not vote for the war.

[madfloridian]

58. When I react over stuff like this, I do because of people like this.

Like our neighbors. We are able to handle things better than they are. They are both in their 80s and want to stay in their own homes. They have a deeper fear than people like my husband and I, because of their inability to get around.

I have never seen such a prolonged period where they have just been so down.

I react because of them, and because of others like them.

But it is important that folks have their fun at the expense of such people. It is important that we keep our sense of humor, I guess.

I could, but then I think of the heart episode during Frances. Then I can not think this is funny.

:shrug:

[yardwork]

54. Catawoman, I'm on to you!

You're just saying this to piss off the many "visitors" we have today, by suggesting that their Fearless Leader may be getting them creamed by God.

Carry on.

[Corgigal]

60. If only the Florida election commission

was wiped out by a Cat 5 Hurricane then it would be fine. However that isn't what is going to happen. My elderly in-laws, both dems and both in their 70's live in Tampa and we are monitoring Ivan because their life might depend on what they do in the next 24-48 hours. I also have a 16 year old, dem to be, stepson in Tampa and again we worry.

This is one of the top 5 most powerful Hurricanes ever recorded and whoever gets him at landfall will be devastated. I don't want anyone, especially our elderly and young children to go through this. As someone who went through a tornado with a small boy who was aged 7 at the time, these incidents leave scars way after the insurance money (if they have insurance) is settled. PTSD is real and stays with you for years, if you're lucky to recover.

[Swamp Rat]

62. Good toon CatWoman

[vetwife]

63. Good toon Catwoman..I do wan to say this

Catwoman is having some fun here and we love her but she may be close to the truth whether some want to accept it or not. The very same Bible/ King James, that Bush and his crime family reads, that this bunch has hijacked my faith has a quote that says, "God has his way in the whirlwind". While we are dropping bombs on Iraq and Afganistan, there are a lot of innocents dying here and some not so innocent. See, I believe God will send a message for using his name and causing destruction. Seems we have had a few category 4 and 5 whirlwinds at the scene of the crime. ITs always called ..Forces of Nature..An act of God..so if I was a Bush lover in florida, I would be thinking.hmmmmmm..Maybe George isn't really God's man afterall." Maybe we don't want to tick off the big man upstairs by disenfranchising voters and stopping the vote. May seem unfair about the innocents but that same Bible says it rains on the just and the unjusts so........

Maybe the Man upstairs wants the Bush lovers of Florida to take a hint, Just my opinion. By the way, Most all of my family is in Florida. I think God and I do believe in a loving God but I think God can be a God of wrath as well. You just don't keep calling yourself his messenger, while your brother is messing with the people of Florida. I believe the folks who have been hurt by this administration will be OK. these whirlwinds just may make a few folks stop and think not all desstruction comes from terrorists and they may rethink Global Warming.