Democrats are not fighting hard enough!

[DaveofCali]

Democrats right now are letting the media say that the Bush National Guard documents are forgeries! Where are the persistent calls to the news companies telling them to take back their statements, in light of CBS's testimony? Where is the pressure from the DNC? Where are the democratic pundits all getting angry at the news media?

I see that Democrats, as well as liberal organizations, are not fighting hard enough in this election!

I see democratic pundits not answering good enough to Republicans in News Networks. Why are the Republican pundits stars and not the Democrat ones btw? Why are the Republican ones getting the talking points and not the Democrat ones?

Where is the publicized network where all Democrats and people against Bush could access to get access to a huge vault of damning information against the Bush Administration that has built up in the past 3 years? And how about a 24 hour news network sharing stories against the Bush Administration, Campaigns, and RNC? DU for one could supply most of the stories to go in such a network! People against Bush have to be armed with enough information to debate good enough against the Republicans and pro Bush people, anyone from hosts of News Network shows to their own families and friends!

Why do the Kerry campaign strategists retract in fear of attacking Bush's character, and not respond hard enough to allegations against Kerry?

Where are the antibush organizations in doing a concerted effort in releasing the TONS of damning information against the Bush Administration that have built up for the past 3 years?

Where are the liberal organizations? Doing simple protests that many people of Mainstream America just would ignore? IMO conventional protest techniques are not up to date compared to these days of highly potent Marketing and marketing mixes to get out the message. Liberal organizations, if they say that the corporate media is keeping them from getting their message out, should go towards a segmented mass mailing campaign for one!

Where the heck is Moveon.org? I don't see them making HIGHLY effective ads on TV. I mean the ultra damning ones that could even make it into election ad history. Moveon.org has the power, yet why are they not effectively utilizing it?

527's should be grouping together and discussing how to effectively coordinate their ads! Look at how Karl Rove did it with the Swift Boat Vets.

Damnit, this is so frustrating to me, because I see in Democrats and other groups against Bush, a lack of great leadership, organization, coordination and strategy, compared to the Republicans! I see so many missed opportunities that the Democrats and the other antibush organizations could have capitalized on, and nonconventional ways that they could have gotten their message out to tip the balance away from the Bush Campaign and the RNC!

[DaveofCali]

1. By the way, how are we going to be able to ward off an October suprise....

By the way, how are we going to be able to ward off an October surprise if we don't have the organization and coordination needed to swiftly respond to any Republican attempts to capitalize on it?

[Lovecrafty]

2. Democrats don't have a lap dog media like the Repugs do!

It's that simple. The reason you feel the Republicans are out in force and stronger is because THEY ARE!!! The media ALWAYS has right wing pundits beside the left wing ones to immediately cause doubt and question the message...unlike the Right Wing pundits who every day go unopposed on the air to spread their message.

There IS no "liberal media"..once you accept this, then you will see the reasons why the Republicans appear to be so coordinated!

[DaveofCali]

5. That is defeatist talk!

That is defeatist talk! You might as well hand over the Election to the Republicans right now! They like this kind of attitude from Democrats!

[Lovecrafty]

7. Defeatists?!! Realist man! Compare CBS to all the others!!

CBS is getting attacked by every news organization out there! Does this not tell you what the odds are!

Besides, the myth of the liberal media was perpetuated by Pukes for years as a convienent excuse for their failures..I only claim that is false now because it is becoming obvious that there IS no liberal media!!

But why would ANY Democrat be defeatist now? We are ahead in every state Gore won in 2000, plus Florida and even 3 NEW states Gore didn't win!! And THAT was enough for Gore to win in 2000!!! I am not worried at all and am acually OPTIMISTIC now...moreso that the conventions are over and all there is left is the debates, which Kerry should win easily given Bush has nothing to run on except crying 911 and Terrorism...which all polls indicate is NOT Americas priorities, the economy is!

Things ARE looking brighter...you just won't know that watching the TV!!!

[DaveofCali]

12. Realists = Defeatists

Realists feel that they have no power to change the world, yet look at all those Entrepreneurs and others that change the world and become highly successful because they are THE opposite of Realists!

If Realists ran the world for the past 2 centuries, we'd still be living in the 1800's!

[greekspeak]

26. Find a place where dems can air their greivances as freely as pubs

and I will beleive that we can do more. If things weren't so serious right now, I would think that this slant in the media and the blantant whoring were comical. Yes, the slant is so obvious and patently absurd that it is quite morbidly comical.

I too am a realist. For being such, I have been called a "freeper," a pessimist, and a few other choice things. I am not conceding this contest, which I see in almost eschatalogical terms. I know that it is absolutely CRUCIAL that Kerry win in November, and I am doing everything in my power to see to it that he does.

That said, I am also intellegent enough to know that no "mainstream" media outlet, save CBS possibly, can be trusted to do anything but whore for the Resident and his asshole buddies. The media outlets know what side their bread is buttered on, and will do nothing to rock the boat. I guess we could all rig PA systems up to our vehicles and drive around blaring the truth, but most of us have day jobs. We can put signs in our yard, if we can afford to replace them each day after some freeper or freeperlet rips them down. We can work on the undecideds, and hope that they do not turn on the squakbox for a daily infusion of deciet for about 8 weeks. But without REAL fair and balanced media, anyone slightly left of center is hung out to dry.

[mark414]

3. quit whining

http://www.electoral-vote.com

[DaveofCali]

4. Where have you been in the past week?

[greekspeak]

25. electoral-vote.com is like watching a yoyo

Every day, with every new poll added, there are 30, 40, 50 EV swings there. I visit it every day; I should know. First PA is Pink, then blue, then pink, then FL is pink, then clear, then pink. Kerry is ahead this minute, but by Monday he could be down, Tuesday up, Wednesday down.

[rumguy]

6. You ask questions I have no answer for

Believe me I've wondered about the same things too....

[DaveofCali]

9. This is the problem when Democrats are not war oriented like Repubs....

Look at the Republicans, they may be such assholes but they are so good when it comes to strategy! Many Republicans come from backgrounds like the business world (where war strategy and business strategy and marketing strategy are intertwined) and the Military (and gung ho military types that love to read on war strategy).

Republicans are fully treating this like a War, and Democrats are simply not! In addition, Democrats are treating this as a conventional election, when the Republicans instead are one up and using nonconventional tactics!!! Yes 527's are using nonconventional tactics, but still its paltry compared to the Republicans with their much more effective Swift Boat Vets thugs.

When in battle, you have to be able to be one step ahead of your opponent. Look at recently, passive Terry Mcauliffe goes and concedes that Karl Rove may have plotted the Bush National Guard "forgeries"! If Mcauliffe was a general in a war, he'd be the first one to be thrown out!

When in battle, you need to react swiftly and decisively and smartly, and so far, the Kerry Campaign and the Democratic Party are failing in all 3 parts!

[rumguy]

10. I know I see it as war - the problem is to many of our leaders don't see

it that way...

[DaveofCali]

13. Well then someone needs to make them realize that!

[rumguy]

14. I hate to say it

Maybe what our party needs is another loss - if nothing else it gives us a reason to purge the handwringers from their positions of leadership.

I'm not saying we have to be as vicious as the pugs - but we have to be as organized and focused. We need effective talking points and coordinated messages. And we need to people who stand up to utter right wing nonesense and bullying.

Here's Neal Pollack talking about it.

"The second night of the Republican National Convention, I turned on Fox News. I enjoy watching Fox about as much as I enjoy eating my own turds for brunch. But if you want to understand why this country is rotting from within, you need to stare into the oozing mouth of the monster.

Bill O'Reilly was interviewing Terry McAuliffe, head of the Democratic National Committee. McAuliffe was saying, sanely, that the War on Terror was something that Democrats could fight as well as Republicans. In fact, he said, the Democrats could probably fight it better. This was right after President Bush had made contradictory statements, first saying that we could never win the War, then saying we could.

I don't have a transcript of that interview, but I don't need one. Just like the Republicans, I'll make a statement, and you can sort out whether or not it's true. O'Reilly said "Oh, you think you can win, do you?" McAuliffe responded "I do."

"I'm gonna hold you to that," O'Reilly says. "And if your guy wins--which he won't--and then we don't win the War on Terror, I know where you live. I'm gonna send some people over to your house."

McAuliffe looked at him and said, "Fair enough."

I thought, fair enough? The man just threatened your life! On television! What's fair about that, you dumbass? Here's what the "fair" response would have been: "Oh, yeah, you cut-rate Father Coughlin knockoff sleazeball? Well, I'm sending people over to your house right now. Screw you and your whore of a mother!" But no. "Fair enough," is what Terry McAuliffe said, and then he disappeared into the ether.

That was the moment when I knew that we were going to lose."

http://www.thestranger.com/current/feature2.html

[DaveofCali]

15. No, the Democrats don't need another defeat....

The Democrats need another leader and need to throw out Terry Mcauliffe!!!

If we lose this election, you can bet on the Republicans enacting long lasting effects to weaken even more the Democratic party. If they could get away with stealing election 2000, and if the Democrats keep on acting weak, they can start rigging other elections. You bet that Bush will impose more far reaching fascism including oppression of dissenters! Angry Democrats and liberals could put a farther drive for an alternate party against the Democrats. IMO the Democratic party will be seen as a joke party if Kerry loses!

The Democratic party should at least threaten Terry Mcauliffe and Clinton's friends role in the Party if they lose this Election!

What value is the Democratic party if it can't win elections?

I say these things because Democrats desperately need ENERGY NEVER BEFORE SEEN in the Party! It is truly pathetic when the Democratic party acts like the weak party and the Republicans act like the strong party when it should be reverse given to whom the facts favor!!!

[AntiFascist]

19. Oh come on....

Neoconservatives are treating this like their last opportunity to push forward their agenda, which it is. I like Republicans about as much as the next Democrat, but really there are a few Repubs who may be sensible and who view Bush's foreign policy, such as it is, as being entirely reckless and bad for our future. Don't alienate these few! We need them to win the election.

[DaveofCali]

21. If Polls are correct, only 3% of Republicans are supporting Kerry

[AntiFascist]

24. Well....

every percentage point helps. I imagine there are a lot of log cabin sympathizers who might support Kerry. A more important statistic might be how many Republicans will choose not to vote if enough crap comes out against Bush. Of course, it is also important to keep pro-Kerry folks highly energized.

[Hanover_Fist]

8. My personal opinion

is that Kerry is avoiding peaking too soon. You know without asking that the shrub team has way more money than the Dems, from every angle (i.e. 527's etc). In this race the Dems are hoarding their gold for the final stretch, and maybe a surprise of their own, other than the lameass Vietnam crap. Of course I am not making light of the issue, it's just that it doesn't seem to be playing well with the unwashed masses. Let me reiterate once again that the differences between the two men on their service records are remarkable, I myself am a veteran, just a poor kid that didn't have that many options during the 1980's. But I served, and so did John Kerry. But most of America did not, and unfortunately they will not share our strong feelings about spoiled little rich boys who took the easy way out. I am strongly suggesting patience, We have not yet begun to fight, but you'd better believe we will.

[DaveofCali]

11. Your trusting the Dems too much.....

The problem with that is that the Republicans have put so many labels on Kerry that there may be too much damage for Kerry to undo before the election. If Kerry can't respond highly effectively and to mainstream Americans enough, then those labels will persist with him to Election day, much like Dukakis. IMO Kerry needs at least a Month of incredibly hard work to undo the damage. Starting with incredibly good performances in the Debates.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

17. Hello

We are less than 60 days from the election. Early voting begins in about 30 days. Peaking to early? We haven't yet begun to fight but we will? That's kind of like waiting until the fire is out of control before you decide to toss your bottle of Ozarka on it. Too little too late.

[Nordic]

16. well Dave, you're asking all the million dollar questions

and I have no answer for you.

I, too, am extremely aggravated by the whole situation.

If we can't beat George Bush, we can't beat anybody. The man is a loser, everything he touches turns to shit, he is the worst president in HISTORY, so if we can't beat him, we deserve to quietly die off as a party.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

18. I believe

we could beat Bush. I will be willing to go as far as saying I know we could. The question I have is why the "Party" is choosing to risk defeat.

[DaveofCali]

22. Bush is INCREDIBLY defeatable!!!

The only reason Bush is up is because Karl Rove is controlling the game. They have dragged Kerry to come to play their game with Bush, and Kerry is playing their game that is rigged in favor of Bush. And this is why Kerry is losing. Kerry needs to turn the tables and force Bush to play his game, or at least Kerry has to have a very smart trick up his sleeve, which I don't expect given that Democrats aren't known for doing tricks, unlike Republicans.

[bvar22]

20. Doing all I can.

I'm going to keep 3 hard core Limpbaugh listening nutjobs busy with duct tape and phenobarbitol ALL DAY Nov. 2nd!

You guys just gotta do your part and everything will be OK.

[T Town Jake]

23. Nonsense bullshit... n/t

[GoldenOldie]

27. What are you doing specifically to make it happen???

I know I and my spouse have always voted but never actually campaigned for anyone. Not this time! We have volunteered to walk, fold, mail, call, talk to anyone and everyone that mentions voting for George/Cheney. We are senior citizens and have learned more about politics and the process than we ever thought we would. It has improved our thinking abilities along with our circulation .....you really have to do something to get rid of the anger within.

Our daughter who has always been an activist and is now living and teaching in Russia, just e-mailed me and when I told her of our political activities she said that above her classroom computer she has the local newspaper photo of me at the local Peace March and above it a bumper sticker "Bush Lied - They Died". During her summer vacation she returned home only to hear on the local news that one of her former students (and a favorite who still maintained contact with her) had just been killed in Faluja (sp). She was able to attended his funeral. She told us that she was so proud of us and that she felt so useless being away from home and that somehow we were acting for her and those that are unable to protest or become active to get Bush out of office. The Expats truly know how dangerous this administration is for the whole world.

[K-W]

28. "letting the media" heh, yah sure, they ask the democrats permission

There is a lack of organization, because we dont have corporate money flowing in like rain.