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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:41 PM
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BBV: NY Times- On the Voting Machine Makers' Tab
As doubts have grown about the reliability of electronic voting, some of its loudest defenders have been state and local election officials. Many of those same officials have financial ties to voting machine companies. While they may sincerely think that electronic voting machines are so trustworthy that there is no need for a paper record of votes, their views have to be regarded with suspicion until their conflicts are addressed.

Computer scientists, who understand the technology better than anyone else, have been outspoken about the perils of electronic voting. Good government groups, like Common Cause, are increasingly mobilizing grass-roots opposition. And state governments in a growing number of states, including California and Ohio, have pushed through much-needed laws that require electronic voting machines to produce paper records.

But these groups have faced intense opposition from election officials. At a hearing this spring, officials from Georgia, California and Texas dismissed concerns about electronic voting, and argued that voter-verifiable paper trails, which voters can check to ensure their vote was correctly recorded, are impractical. The Election Center, which does election training and policy work, and whose board is dominated by state and local election officials, says the real problem is people who "scare voters and public officials with claims that the voting equipment and/or its software can be manipulated to change the outcome of elections."

What election officials do not mention, however, are the close ties they have to the voting machine industry. A disturbing number end up working for voting machine companies. When Bill Jones left office as California's secretary of state in 2003, he quickly became a consultant to Sequoia Voting Systems. His assistant secretary of state took a full-time job there. Former secretaries of state from Florida and Georgia have signed on as lobbyists for Election Systems and Software and Diebold Election Systems. The list goes on. Even while in office, many election officials are happy to accept voting machine companies' largess.

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Well, I guess we just knew that there had to be widespread corruption going on here- there had to be some reason why in the face of all of the evidence that voting officials breached their duties to their fellow citizens, now we know.

My only hope is that somehow we can manage to prosecute at least some of these officials....
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:56 PM
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1. thanks for the post!
Yeah. Widespread corruption is right. A hundred bribes here, a hundred kickbacks there, pretty soon you've got a real problem.

Not to mention the underlying gargantuan problem, which is masked by the simple Gimme-type corruption.
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unslinkychild1 Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:27 PM
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2. How about....
going to republican areas, knocking on doors, and asking people if they think their vote is safe? Would you trust a DEMOCRAT?

AND then going to Democratic areas and asking them if they would trust a REPUBLICAN to count the votes.

Might get everyone riled up about it enough to put a stop to it?

Another suggestion to any patriot hacker out there--if you MUST do it, do it so it shows all zeros for EVERY candidate, just to prove it DOESN'T WORK. Course, you'll go to jail, but you'll be my hero forever.

Probably sucky ideas, but I like the zero thing.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:43 PM
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3. I like both your ideas
And I certainly wish some hero hacker would get in there and show absolutely impossible numbers. Like zero. or billions.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:11 AM
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6. Or a Lyndon LaRouche win n/t
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:10 AM
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5. I have been doing just that...
and boy does it work to rile people up.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:56 PM
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4. The Election Center, or center of evil for voting?
This pretty much one-person organization also creates and teaches courses for those election officials, from auditors on down to clerks.

Supports NASED and NASS.

Yet, no one knows much of anything about it; don't know whose brain child it was; who funded it; or anything about its head, R. Doug Lewis.

And it is not an official, federal entity.

So why are these people listening and why does Congress accept ANY testimony from Lewis?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:31 AM
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7. kick
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