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librarycard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:11 AM
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Will the U.S. military be reinstating the draft by Spring 2005?
Urban Legends says "probably not." But I beg to differ. Iraq is out of control, and Afghanistan is headed that way. I say the draft is imminent. Reenlistment rates are falling, casualties are increasing, and the army is stretched far and wide.

What is your take on the situation?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/draft.asp
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:13 AM
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1. According to Bush and the republicans we're winning and safer....
don't you believe them?

Why would they lie?
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:13 AM
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2. mandatory "volunteer" service
for all.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:16 AM
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3. It would be political suicide
for any pols that supported it. The only way it would happen is if we came under mass-scale attack, i.e. WWIII.
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:26 AM
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9. But O'Reilly says...
.. we're in WWIII. What's up with that?
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veteran_for_peace Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:17 AM
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4. I believe they will
I can't see how they can sustain the current rates of deployment without a draft.
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OctOct1 Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:32 AM
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10. I agree
They may need to to clean up the mess in Iraq.

Hopefully, with Kerry elected, it will be short lived.
However, if Bush is elected, Preemptive war will kiss a whole generation goodbye.
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:18 AM
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5. Lets not forget
about good ol' Iran and Sudan...Fun for all ages

Weee..

Seriously, when the come asking for me on here, I will no longer be Scooter24, but will be forever known as Scooter64 :P shhhh...
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:20 AM
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6. Of Course
regardless who's elected or selected.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:21 AM
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7. links to articles about impending draft here:
theBlatantTruth: Impending Military Draft

I apologize that the page has not been updated since March--however, still excellent background info & the links can lead to more current info
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:22 AM
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8. Only a few a options left:
1.) Ignominous but orderly retreat.
2.) Great big wads of help from furriners, soon.
3.) Draft, real soon.
4.) Debacle of violence and defeat.

Only #1 and #2 offer any hope of retaining some semblance of
fiscal solvency, too, and #3 leads into a crisis in logistical
support. We are short of bullets now, if we double the troops
on the ground, can we double the bullet supply too, and double
the convoys to deliver them? Project this into other supply
issues, POL, etc.

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RivetJoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:36 AM
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11. Of course not
We have 140,000 troops (not nearly all of them combat troops, and many of them Guard and Reserve) deployed in/around Iraq. That's out of an active duty of 1.5 million.
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supercrash Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:43 AM
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12. Ya...
And the balance of the troops is just sitting on a couch waiting for a call ...?

Jeessh

Look for the draft
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:45 AM
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13. You do have to wonder why all those extra troops are not there already? nt
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RivetJoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:46 AM
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15. Because some moron
doesn't think we need them there...
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 12:03 PM
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16. Perhaps he has a reason?
Edited on Mon Sep-13-04 12:05 PM by bemildred
Like they are committed elsewhere?
Or it might be a bad idea to leave other places unprotected?
Maybe getting all our troops tied down in Iraq would be
viewed as an opportunity by some evildoers elsewhere in the
World?

Edit: Do you mean Dumbsfeld? He was very stupid about that.
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RivetJoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 12:05 PM
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17. Maybe he does
but many military leaders think he is wrong.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 12:11 PM
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18. We agree that Dumbsfeld is a moron.
We disagree that we have enough troops.
This is approximately where I am on that:

Iraq War Stretching US Army to Breaking Point

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article2782.html
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RivetJoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 11:46 AM
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14. The balance of troops sure isn't
in Iraq...or Afgahnistan...or S.Korea. Or even all three added up. They are HERE in the US.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 12:16 PM
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19. For some reason, that just sent a chill down my spine...
But then I'm one of those nutcases who worries about what the neofascists will do if bush* loses (or it looks like he will)
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REVOLT823 Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 01:21 PM
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20. Those troops are not waiting in glass cases to opened in case of
emergency, they are strategically placed around the globe and here in the U.S. to do their duty, protect this country and its interests (not oil, don't flame). The military is pared down to a pretty lean organization right now, everyone has a job and a place.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 01:47 PM
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21. SELECTIVE SERVICE........That's the plan. A 2005 Draft of Men and women.
Edited on Mon Sep-13-04 01:51 PM by in_cog_ni_to
Maried or single. Parents or not. It won't matter.


SELECTIVE SERVICE
SYSTEM


ANNUAL
PERFORMANCE
PLAN

FISCAL YEAR 2004




April 2003


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


SELECTIVE SERVICE SYSTEM
ANNUAL PERFORMANCE PLAN
TABLE OF CONTENTS



EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

MISSION

VISION

RESOURCES REQUIRED TO MEET PERFORMANCE GOALS

STRATEGIC GOALS

ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REPORT

VERIFICATION AND VALIDATION OF PERFORMANCE
INDICATORS

RELATIONSHIP TO THE BUDGET

STRATEGIC GOAL 1 INCREASE THE EFFECTIVENESS AND
EFFICIENCY OF THE MANPOWER DELIVERY
SYSTEMS

STRATEGIC GOAL 2 IMPROVE OVERALL REGISTRATION
COMPLIANCE AND SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC

STRATEGIC GOAL 3 ENHANCE EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL
CUSTOMER SERVICE

STRATEGIC GOAL 4 ENHANCE THE SYSTEM WHICH GUARANTEES
THAT EACH CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR IS
PROPERLY CLASSIFIED, PLACED, AND
MONITORED

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SELECTIVE SERVICE SYSTEM
ANNUAL PERFORMANCE PLAN
FY 2004


EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

The Selective Service System (SSS), in accordance with the provisions of the Government
Performance and Results Act (GPRA), developed this Annual Performance Plan (APP) for
FY 2004. This Plan, aligned with the SSS’ Strategic Plan (FY 2001 - 2006), is an
outgrowth of extensive internal evaluations of Agency statutory responsibilities viewed in
light of new challenges, fiscal issues, and needs of Agency customers. Measurement of
the Agency’s institutional progress toward improvement in programmatic activities, service
to customers, and the prudent management of fiscal resources forms the basis for the
development of this plan. Ultimately, performance measurement provides the path of
accountability between the Agency’s long-term vision and the day-to-day activities of its
employees.


MISSION

The mission is to provide both trained and untrained personnel to the Department of
Defense (DoD) in the event of a national emergency. Additionally, the Agency also
provides a program of alternative service for men from its manpower pool who seek and
are granted conscientious objector status.


VISION

The SSS will be a true partner in the national preparedness community that anticipates and
responds to the changing needs of its customers.


RESOURCES REQUIRED TO MEET PERFORMANCE GOALS

Talented people are essential to achieving expected results. The alignment of human
capital with the Agency’s mission and goals is crucial to the achievement of expected
performance results. This alignment is accomplished by having the right people, with the
right skills, in the right jobs, at the right time. The Agency’s resources and priorities remain
focused on improving the effectiveness and efficiency of its business processes and
maintaining an environment of accountability and meaningful results.


STRATEGIC GOALS:

The SSS Strategic Goals identified in the Agency’s Strategic Plan for FY 2001- 2006 are:

• INCREASE THE EFFECTIVENESS AND EFFICIENCY OF THE
MANPOWER DELIVERY SYSTEMS

• ENHANCE EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL CUSTOMER SERVICE

• IMPROVE OVERALL REGISTRATION COMPLIANCE AND
SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC

• ENHANCE THE SYSTEM WHICH GUARANTEES THAT EACH
CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR IS PROPERLY CLASSIFIED,
PLACED, AND MONITORED

This FY 2004 APP identifies the activities and strategies that will take place during the
fiscal year to achieve Agency goals and objectives. It also identifies relevant performance
measurement target goals to be achieved. The performance goals for FY 2004 are:

1. Develop an Area Office Prototype Exercise that will test the Health
Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS) work flows and support
programs.

2. Redefine Agency infrastructure based on a Quinquennial Workload
Study.

3. Prepare and conduct an Area Office Prototype Exercise which tests
the activation process from SSS Lottery input to the issuance of the
first Armed Forces Examination Orders.

4. Ensure 90% of people tested are capable of implementing activation
procedures.

5. Ensure that 95% of the predefined readiness objectives are attained
and validated during an Area Office Prototype Exercise.

6. Train 90% of assigned State Directors (SDs) and Reserve Force
Officers (RFOs) on HCPDS and Timed-Phased Response (TPR)
functions and responsibilities.

7. Attain a 92% or greater compliance rate for men 18 through 25 years
old.

8. Attain and appoint Registrars in 85% of the Nation’s high schools.

9. Obtain 75% of all registrations electronically.

10. Maintain an average systems change request implementation time of
39 days.

11. Maintain a functional proponent and customer satisfaction level of
87%.

12. Have a telephone call completion rate of 93% or higher.

13. Answer correspondence in less than 10 days.

14. Train 90% of assigned SDs and RFOs on Alternative Service plans
and procedures.

http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html


In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Guardian May31/04


Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class
lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter.

Once they get their grubby hands on you, YOU WILL NOT BE LET OUT!! Their "stop loss" policy will see to that!

Draft "avoidance" is lawful but "evasion" is illegal!

Billy-Joe..Mauldin

There will be no college deferrment, no consciencous-objector status, women will be drafted, and there will be no going to Canada; Two years ago, the Canadian goverment. signed a deal with the administration- in the event of the reinstatement of the American draft, Canada would provide no haven for draft resistors.

The draft will apply to everyone between the ages of 18 and 49! This is going to be a model of the Israeli system, and there are presently tens of thousands of Israelis who refuse to serve and are in prison as a result.

nodraft.info & infowars.com
People who are not put into the military will be required to perform 20 to 30 hours of work per week in their neighborhoods and towns on behalf of the Dept. of Homeland Security.
here come the brownshirts! ) These hopped-up neighborhood watch groups will be the gestapo tattle-tale squads U.S. Readies for Draft
Dave Eberhart
NewsMax.com June25/04 <snip>

http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/US_Military_Draft_2005.htm



Selective Service Eyes Women's Draft
By Eric Rosenberg
Seattle Post-Intelligencer May1/04

The chief of the Selective Service System has proposed registering women for the military draft and requiring that young Americans regularly inform the government about whether they have training in niche specialties needed in the armed services.

The proposal, also seeks to extend the age of draft registration to 34 years old, up from 25.

"In line with today's needs, the Selective Service System's structure, programs and activities should be re-engineered toward maintaining a national inventory of American men and, for the first time, women, ages 18 through 34, with an added focus on identifying individuals with critical skills," the agency said in a Feb. 11, 2003, proposal presented to senior Pentagon officials.

the agency has begun designing procedures for a targeted registration and draft of people with computer and language skillsRichard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, say they oppose a revival of the military draft, last used in 1973 as the American commitment in Vietnam waned, beginning the era of the all-volunteer force.

Mandatory registration for the draft was suspended in 1975 but was resumed in 1980 by President Carter after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. About 13.5 million men, ages 18 to 25, currently are registered with the Selective Service.

"I don't know anyone in the executive branch of the government who believes that it would be appropriate or necessary to reinstitute the draft," Rumsfeld said last month.

'Special Skills Draft' on Drawing Board
By Eric Rosenberg
San Francisco Chronicle Mar13/04

a targeted military draft of Americans with special skills in computers and foreign languages.

The agency already has in place a special system to register and draft health care personnel ages 20 to 44 in more than 60 specialties if necessary in a crisis. According to Flahavan, the agency will expand this system to be able to rapidly register and draft computer specialists and linguistsSince the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist strikes, U.S. forces have fought two wars, established a major military presence in Afghanistan and Iraq and are now taking on peacekeeping duties in Haiti.
The military draft ended in 1973 as the American commitment in Vietnam waned, beginning the era of the all-volunteer force. Mandatory registration for the draft was suspended in 1975 but resumed in 1980 by President Jimmy Carter after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. About 13.5 million men, ages 18 to 25, are registered with the Selective Service.

especially people knowledgeable about Arabic and various Afghan dialects.


There's more here.

http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/US_Military_Draft_2005.htm

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Yuna Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:13 PM
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22. I expect so
.
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:14 PM
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23. at least we're getting those kids some early training on assult weapons
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