A Crazy Republican Response to the TANG CBS Documents

[Sugarcoated]

I posted that there were typerwriters with the same fonts and spacing, that the White House actually released documents with that same key characteristics and their response was this craziness:

Okay, (my other screename) - prove to us that the person who typed this memo actually HAD one of these typewriters. That would be the next logical step to authenticating these docs. Never mind that Gillian's wife and son said he didn't type and would have handwritten his memos, or that CBS refuses to site their source for the memos, (although two people at CBS have said they came from someone with the Kerry camp), or that the originals have not been produced, or that the person named as putting the pressure on Gillian to make GW's records look good retired 18 months before the date of the memo, or that the paper is the wrong size, or that the PO box # is dubious at best,
It should be a very easy thing for someone to verify from the USPS if that box # was legitimate at the time the memo was written. Hopefully it will soon be proved conclusively that there is no way they could be real, and this will be all over excpet for the resignations and indictments.

[kimchi]

1. The memos came from the White House.

Dumbasses.

[comsymp]

2. Frankly, I'd applaud your "friend" for acknowledging

that there will be resignations and indictments. Lord knows, they're long overdue.

Most of this other stuff has been addressed repeatedly. Frankly, these people are so far divorced from reality that it's basically pointless to even argue with them.

[DoctorMyEyes]

3. Some people say, huh?

Oh you're really clever!

[RevCheesehead]

4. hmmm.....I never knew what my dad did while at work

and he was "just" a university professor! And I don't think Mom knew much of what happened at work, either. For some reason, I'd think a military family wouldn't, either. IMO

[dansolo]

5. They still haven't proven thier case for forgery

I have yet to see definitive proof that the memos can be reproduced using Word. I have tried, and even with a lot of tweaking (remember they claim that the document can be created with the default settings). Those overlay comparisons on web sites are laughable. In order to do proper comparison, they should be printed out and compared with a light table, or something similar. When you do that, there are too many things that don't match. What bothers me is that we aren't demanding the same burden of proof that these documents could be forged as they are in proving that they are real.

[EstimatedProphet]

6. It isn't on you to validate the memos

They were realeased, and claimed to be valid. It is therefore on them to INvalidate them, not the other way around. the way they have chosen to do so is incorrect. End of story. If they want to invalidate the memos, they need to do it a different way, not claim they are invalid because you can't prove their valid. It just doesn't work that way.

[johnfunk]

7. Never mind someone was in possession of allegedly "forged" (NOT) memos...

... that reflect Jerry Killian's exact, not publicly expressed or known, sentiments, 20 years after he died!

As my main man Hesiod says:

Why... it's even more miraculous because George W. Bush wasn't even a well-known public figure in 1984!

LOGIC dictates that someone with intimate knowledge of what Killian thought MUST have written those thoughts down at some point.

If so, who? And why?

The only news organization that seems to be treating this story with any objectivity and seriousness is USA Today. That is very much to their credit.

Memo to all Chimpfluffers: read the above-linked USA Today story. And start using your brains rather than recycling the silly and debunked claims of the inept powerline.com

[LoZoccolo]

8. Ask him to prove all those claims.

Seeing as the original "this is a Word document" was just some dubious charge on a blog somewhere that was later disproven, he should prove the handful of charges he makes there.

[Renew Deal]

9. Tell him to prove that

"Gillian's wife and son said he didn't type and would have handwritten his memos" I never saw that anywhere.

[LiberTex]

10. This isn't proof of forgery and I'm no document expert,

but it does seem a little dubious.
I took a screen shot of one of the CBS memos. Then I copied it in MS Word with the default font. I lined them up on the left and put some vertical lines through both of them. They line up and match perfectly, to my eye. I'm old enough to remember trying to do things on typewriters. It's startling how much the typewritten memo looks like my MS Word document, including Word's automatic centering of the address. I've posted it at:

Is anyone worried that maybe this started as a prank, filling in the missing Bush records. But somehow, some dumbass decided to fax the documents to... who? and it spun out of control. Although, if these are forged in MS Word, and it's proved, it certainly distracts attention from the very holes in Bush's TANG record that these memos supposedly filled. Who benefits from that?