CBS To Release Statement

[Steely_Dan]

I heard this morning that CBS will release a statement this morning concerning the documents...I heard something about it being an email...Has anyone else heard this?

-Paige

[Sputnik]

1. Yes, I just read that

on Salon.com

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html

[annabanana]

2. arrrgh...I can't get in!

What's the story?

[Sputnik]

5. Yeah, Salon is by subscription

They just basically related the Killian secretary info. Here's the last couple of paragraphs:

<<snip>>

Mrs. Knox raises some interesting questions here -- did she indeed type memos in the early 70s that match the content of what CBS aired last week, and did someone else later try to reproduce her memos, say because the originals were somehow damaged? Or did someone see the original memos and try to reproduce them from memory?

It's all very odd. Mrs. Knox's revelations are likely to add pressure on CBS to further defend and authenticate the memos. For now, CBS still stands by its report. But even CBS veteran Bob Schieffer is saying publicly his network should authenticate the memos beyond a doubt -- but that may only be possible by revealing anonymous sources.



<<snip>>

[WolverineDG]

8. ask her if she remembers

every scrap she ever typed in her entire career. i doubt she could do it. my mom couldn't. i can't remember every student i had or every case that i've had, but if someone feeds me enough info to jog my memory, i can recall some things i did/said, but not everything.

if she "remembers" these sentiments, and she typed his memos, she probably typed these & forgot about them until now.

i wonder if she took some memos in shorthand & had someone else type them up.

dg

[bryant69]

11. Yeah but she probably remembers the typwriter she used

And what documents typed bit it looked like.

There's the rub.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[juajen]

15. Speaking from experience,

No, I certainly cannot remember every memo or letter that I typed, and I am much younger than she is; also, I never transcribed anyone else's shorthand notes. This is extremely difficult, because most stenographers had their own brand of shorthand. I was trained to take Gregg shorthand, but even I had my own particular methods and did not always follow Gregg's dictum. I would probably remember circumstances, as she says she did, when the situation was unusual or problematical, but if, as we have learned, that in the Champagne Unit this situation was not unique, I might even question her remembering that much. After all, George Bush was not a household name then.

We need to continue to pounce on the fact that they are not refuting the content of these documents, just the documents themselves.

[noonwitch]

18. I couldn't possibly remember every document I've typed

in my government job. There are so many volumes of paperwork. I do remember pretty much every foster kid and delinquent I've ever worked with, which is pretty good for 17 1/2 years.

[allemand]

6. Also interesting:

"Some news reports attribute the CBS reports to a former Army National Guard officer who has a long-standing dispute with the Guard and who has previously maintained that the president's record was sanitized."
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html

Who is that former Army National Guard officer? Does anybody know?

BTW, you can get a "Free Day Pass" by watching a commercial, just follow the link on the page.

[starroute]

13. Bill Burkett

http://www.onlinejournal.com/bush/110400Starr-Conover/110400starr-conover.html

Former National Guard officer says Bush aide scrubbed military record
November 4, 2000

Here comes the other shoe to the denials and cries of “desperation” from the George W. Bush camp: A former officer in the Texas National Guard says an aide to George W. Bush scrubbed Bush’s military records to get rid of the disparities between those files and an account of Bush’s military service in his official biography.

Bill Burkett, a former lieutenant colonel in the Guard, said, “As the State Plans Officer for the Texas National Guard, I was on full-time duty at Camp Mabry when Dan Bartlett was cleansing the George W Bush file prior to G.W.'s presidential announcement. For most soldiers at Camp Mabry, this was a generally known event. The archives were closely scrutinized to make sure that the Bush autobiography plans and the record did not directly contradict each other. In essence it was the script of the autobiography which Dan Bartlett and his small team used to scrub a file to be released. This effort was further involved by General Daniel James and Chief of Staff William W. Goodwin at Camp Mabry.”

Burkett stated, “I knew one person who worked within the records scrub who commented to me, while at the smoke area, that the Bush files really showed some problems with his ‘blue-blood service record.’”

[Sputnik]

14. That would be Bill Burkett (sp?)

Who has maintained since 1998 that he witnessed Dan Bartlett and Joe Albaugh visiting the TANG unit and throwing away documents from Bush's file.

[wishlist]

3. CBS as of today is still backing up Dan Rather and the documents

In this new CBS article today, they defend their story and criticisms by ABC and other outlets questioning the document experts. CBS also concludes that Killian's secretary gives credence to the documents' accuracy even though she claims to not have typed them herself. She mentions that Killian kept a private locked file of memos in order to 'cover his back' but sounds like she wasn't privy to all of the contents and said she doesn't know what happend to his backup files.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml

[Paradise]

9. Too much at stake for CBS, unless they're a bunch of fools!

I don't think so!

[0007]

27. CBS is holding the winning hand - I just wish junior would call 'em!

So they can smack his stinky ass down.

We're all waiting!

[Paradise]

28. These 'suspenders' are killing me! :) n/t

[bryant69]

4. Interesting.

A secretary of Mr. Killeans says that she thinks the documents are fakes, but she also confirms that they certainly reflected his attitudes and opinions at the time. I wonder which part of that statement the media will pick up on?

Bryant
check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[truthspeaker]

12. ..

[Paradise]

21. does freeperville have a member-profile search like du's?

anyone know anything about the 'genius-on-all-subjects' they have over there? i find this genius-on-all-subjects to be curiouser and curiouser. we surely could use a 'genius-on-all-subjects' like him/her/them. hmmm, wonder where we could recruit one of those from.
have any ideas? anyone? :think:

just wondering... :shrug:

[robbedvoter]

7. Expect that poor secretary to be attacked by the Free republic with acid

in her face and Secret Service visits....How long until she denounces it all?

[Red State Rebel]

10. I think it's supposed to be at Noon eastern time. n/t

[Blecht]

16. Well, where is the statement?

It's well past noon EDT ...

[mccormack98]

17. WHAT KIND OF TYPEWRITER DID SHE USE?

You'd think that would be the first question someone would ask her.

[TahitiNut]

20. Why? Only the densist of morans don't understand that ...

... there were typewriters at the time, and over the prior decade, fully able to type proportional fonts and superscripted 'th'.

[Blecht]

19. So, I guess there wasn't a noon announcement

Or if there was, there wasn't anything new in it?

WTH is going on?

[Paradise]

22. theonly thing i heard, after noon, was that cbs was sticking to its story!

[74dodgedart]

23. I'm expecting them to say somehing tonight during 60 Minutes

That's where the story broke, it would be the logical place to respond

[BlueNomad]

31. Tonight..

Well, well.... Tonight's 60 Minutes should indeed be interesting since their lead story is on Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin. You remember him right? (See below from my hometown paper TWP)


General's Speeches Broke Rules
Report Says Boykin Failed to Obtain Clearance

By R. Jeffrey Smith and Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, August 19, 2004; Page A23

A Defense Department investigation has determined that Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin, the Pentagon's senior military intelligence official, violated three internal regulations while delivering controversial speeches that linked the war on terrorism to what he depicted as an enduring battle against Satan, according to a copy of the probe obtained yesterday by The Washington Post.

The 10-month internal investigation, conducted by the department's deputy inspector general for investigations, confirmed news accounts that Boykin said in his speeches that President Bush had been placed in his post by God, that radical Muslims hate America because it "will never abandon Israel" and that the U.S. military is recruiting a spiritual army that will draw strength from a greater power to defeat its enemy.

Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin drew criticism for talking about the war on terrorism in religious terms. (U.S. Army). Arab and Muslim groups sharply criticized these remarks when they were initially publicized last year, accusing Boykin of bigotry and saying he was unfit to keep his post. Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John W. Warner (R-Va.) and the committee's senior Democrat, Sen. Carl M. Levin (Mich.), demanded an inquiry and called for Boykin to step down while it proceeded.....

[4Moremonths]

24. Bill O'reilly

Even the great Bloviator knows that Rather is innocent in all this. RNC is changing the subject ,again.

A fellow GOP workmate sent me this link about O'bloviator. His conservative base is infuriated with him. Perhaps they will get him off the air for us,lol

http://www.hundredpercenter.com/TheNoSpineZone.html

[3 Tree Hill]

25. Documents are real, I say

Wow! DU! My sister tells me about it all the time. After a few minutes, it's better than she ever described. I've found a new home page.

Anyway, I don't care what the right spews out about this. I don't even care if the documents are real or not. It's what's in them that matters.

[3 Tree Hill]

26. Documents are real, I say

Wow! DU! My sister tells me about it all the time. After a few minutes, it's better than she ever described. I've found a new home page.

Anyway, I don't care what the right spews out about this. I don't even care if the documents are real or not. It's what's in them that matters.

[Paradise]

30. You say! You say! Welcome 3TH or is that 3th? Whatever. :) nt

[Pathwalker]

29. HERE'S TONIGHT'S 60 MINUTE'S LINEUP:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/60II/main641984.shtml

[BlueNomad]

32. That's last week's

..Boykin's on tonight...
<http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/05/24/60II/main48284.shtml>

[Pathwalker]

33. Isn't this a repeat?

n/t

[AlCzervik]

34. thats from sunday, tonight General my God's better than your God Boykin

is on.

[msmcghee]

35. Is it possible that after Killean retired . .

. . he knew that someday these memos would be important - perhaps after he died. So, he retyped them from hard to read handwritten notes and scraps of paper from his personal files that he had jotted down while in the military - and then signed them to give them further authenticity.

Perhaps his purpose was not to deceive anyone but to make the record more accurate and accessible for historians after he died.

This one certainly looks like it could have been one that he retyped on his computer at home after he retired to make his files more accessible.

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/img/09-04/barnes2.pdf

I say could have because in almost every more modern computer printout I have seen, the lower edge of the characters always forms a pretty straight line across the page - or perhaps a slowly curving one because of copying error. But the lower edge of characters next to each other is seldom mis-aligned. These are. Which could indicate that he did it on a some kind of poorly maintained IBM Selectic type word-processing typewriter.

That was sort of a hybrid before desktop computers were widespread. It was basically an IBM Selectric with a memory. It had a small screen and you could see what you were typing. But then it would print it out on paper using the standard IBM Selectric mechanical typing system. Or perhaps one of the competitive brands that appeared then.

I worked as an office equipment technician in those days. Offices would typically maintain the adjustment on their typewriters to keep the type looking good (keep those characters in line vertically for example). My company had service contracts with banks and such where I would take all of their typewriters in for PM (periodic maintenance) every six months. I would take the machine apart and dip it in a lubricating solvent and flush out all the gunk, dry it out, and then make all the routine adjustments, like remove the slack in any of the cables that manipulated the tilt and rotation on the type ball. Slack in the tilt is what causes that vertical misalignment.

I suspect a military base would do the same because they had a big investment in that equipment and it lasted longer if it was PM'd. Mil regs probabaly required it but I'm guessing because I don't remember working on any military service contracts myself. But a retired officer paying for it out of his pocket probabaly would not do a PM unless it got so bad it didn't work anymore. That's what this looks like to me - an IBM (or competitive) word processor - pre-desktop era - that hasn't been serviced for a while.

Of course, if CSI:Miami had been on the air in those days he would have realized the shit storm that would have created.

Just a guess. But these things should be easy to determine with a little forensic work I'd think. We should know the answer before too long.