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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 05:48 PM
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Damn, they necklaced Rather
That was horribly sad. Watching him have to swallow the memos, without even the chance to defend their contents.

Was Burkett a Rove set up from the first, or was Burkett threatened with the full might of the BFEE? In any case, he turned on Rather like a rabid dog.

I'm going to go weep for a while.
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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 05:50 PM
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1. Could you provide some details?
Anyone. I couldn't watch CBS.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 05:55 PM
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2. Right, me neither (was in class)
Link to a summary or a transcript?
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 05:57 PM
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4. Burket said he couldn't verify if they were fake or not
But said CBS pressured him. I might have missed part, but I never seen anyone say they were forged. Rather apologized for running with something not verified. McClellen thought that was cool, but wanted a deeper investigation.
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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 05:58 PM
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5. Burkett is a lying sack of shit.
He admitted affirmatively misleading the CBS reporter working on the story.

The reporter had asked who provided Burkett with the documents. Burkett now claims that he gave a false answer because he was being pressured strongly by CBS to reveal his source, and he wanted to eliminate some of that pressure.

He has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. This disgusts me.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:09 PM
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7. He lied about the SOURCE of the memos, as he admitted. Somebody
has gotta find out where he really did get 'em. Funny how nobody has outright claimed the INFORMATION in them is false, though. That sure says something to -me-...
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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:15 PM
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8. falsus in uno, . . .
falsus in omnibus.

The guy has no credibility remaining, and the issue of Shrub's guard service has been irreversibly tainted. It's time to leave it alone. Everyone knows that Shrub shirked his duties. Unfortunately, most just don't care.


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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:16 PM
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10. The issue has been neutralized.
They good have vintage film of * carrying cocaine in his plane and snorting it off a wing, and it wouldn't matter.

This is classic Rove. Setup.

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Hilary08 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:15 PM
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9. Does anyone...
...have any more info on this Burkett guy? Some people here say he's the worst thing to happen, some say he's a big helps, some say he's a disservice...

I tried googling him, but all that came up was the most recent reports about the CBS memos. Is anyone else suspicious he's from Texas, or is that immaterial? It's frustrating sifting thru all the google results to get a straight answer!
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:07 PM
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6. When a transcript appears I'll post it.
Edited on Mon Sep-20-04 06:08 PM by kayell
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml

n a separate statement, Rather said that "after extensive additional interviews, I no longer have the confidence in these documents that would allow us to continue vouching for them journalistically.

"I find we have been misled on the key question of how our source for the documents came into possession of these papers," he said.

"We made a mistake in judgment, and for that I am sorry," Rather added.
snip

Then they had footage of him being chewed by Burkett. Butkett claimed that Rather pressured him until he had to give them a fake name source, rather than the real one.

It was clear from Rathers mannerisms, face, and voice that he was under tremendous pressure himself from the higher ups to totally abandon the story. He didn't once mention the other sources of info or that the info is still correct.

Then mentioned independent investigation of reporting. Then film of Scott McClellan calling for investigation.

Story killed. End of story. Rove wins.
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Hilary08 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:21 PM
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12. Look at the upside,
Give it another day of political pundits screeching about journalstic standards or whatever, and the story is finally done with. The WH might try to push the issue some more, but they got a full apology -- Repugs are well known for beating a dead horse, but if they do it'll just show the American public how reluctant the Bush camp is to talk about Bush! (HMMMM, I wonder why?)

If the story had been over last week, Kerry's speech today and the recent beheading might've gotten the coverage it deserved!

So, DUBYA, back to the $200 billion...
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:57 PM
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13. Not a transcript but you can watch the video here
if you really want to.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml#eveningnews
Scroll down to CBS Document Controversy and press Play.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 07:39 PM
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14. Great, thanks for the post, Kayell
Edited on Mon Sep-20-04 07:40 PM by mistertrickster
I watched the whole thing. Bill Burkett really has some explaining to do. On the one hand, he says, "I warned CBS to authenticate the memos" but on the other hand, he admits he threw out a name just to keep his source confidential from CBS.

Well, Mr. Burkett, you dumbass, the KEY TO AUTHENTICATING the memos is who had possession of them, the chain of possession, the provinance.

Mr. Burkett does not have a source to protect. He's not a news agency--he's just an average citizen with a contact. CBS has its reputation to protect, and Burkett has screwed that playing his little games.

He should have just said 1. I can't give you the name if he "couldn't" give them the name and /or 2. he should have convinced the true source to deal directly with CBS in which case they would protect the identity of the source.

Shit, I can't believe how lucky the Bush White House is on hiding their dirt. Burkett fouled up, big time.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 05:56 PM
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3. "Hide Thread" for me
Geez, I am so sick of "small picture" posts.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:17 PM
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11. Equating professional humiliation with the gruesome excrutiating deaths of
genuine freedom fighters is really offensive. I know they're Rather's words, and I was disgusted when he first uttered them.
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friesianrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 08:06 PM
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15. Rove set-up from day one
Either that or some really stupid Democrat forged them...and I'm thinking it was Rove.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 08:20 PM
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16. I say Rove, and here's why --
I posted this to 2 other threads and I'm going to post it more, probably:

It was a set up, and yes, probably Rove.

Here's why. First, Rove's history (and I apologize to DUers who have read this from me about 20 times now) --

James H. Hatfield wrote a book about George W. Bush called "Fortunate Son." He interviewed Rove and Rove confirmed Bush's cocaine use, and gave him a lot of other information.

The book gets printed and even distributed to some bookstores, and lo and behold one of those other "facts" from Rove is inaccurate. About some politican who was a Dem instead of Repug as Hatfield wrote (or vice versa). Not only that, but Rove had dug up some very nasty but true past history on Hatfield.

St. Martin's Press, which had printed the book, called back its copies and destroyed them since Hatfield's ENTIRE credibility was undermined by the double whammy on his credibility. Virtually everything ELSE in his book was no longer valid, just on the basis of the tawdry tale and his one incorrect "fact." The book was later published by Soft Skull Press, and not long after that Hatfield died, presumably of suicide (altho most DUers who know me don't trust ANY reports of "suicide" among Bush enemies and detractors).

Fast forward to the present. CBS gets wind, somehow, of these "documents." Rather said that Burkett had NOT contacted them, they CBS went after him. Rather knows the underlying story is true, all the other digging they've done over these past 4 years confirms well enough the info is true. They look authentic, their experts vouched for them, or at least well enough ESPECIALLY since the underlying story is true. They run with it.

Within 2 hours, I've read, the blogger known as Buckhead starts up his typography critique, the news EVERYWHERE picks that up with lightning speed, and little by little they all chip away at the credibility (despite some yeomen's efforts on our side of the political divide). Finally, Rather interviews Burkitt again (this past weekend), looking more closely at the provenance, and the story doesn't hold.

How did Buckhead jump on this story within 2 hours of its release? Well, we know that CBS asked the White House to comment before they went with it. We also know that Buckhead is a Repug operative and contributor, a lawyer who does work for the Southeastern Legal Foundation (similar to Larry Klayman's organization except totally conservative -- they fight to overturn affirmative action laws, etc.).

Another factor: Burkitt maybe didn't contact CBS, but he IS a Dem and did contact the Kerry campaign. According to Burkitt, he finally talked to Cleland but didn't get a call back after that.

Did someone from the Kerry campaign tip off CBS? We don't know. Of course, Burkitt was a commander in the TANG, so eventually someone, somewhere was likely to talk to him if they were seriously researching this story, so it IS possible that CBS contacted Burkitt on their own.

Where did Burkitt get the memos? He won't say (and apparently lied to CBS about it when they pressured him once all this blew up), but Burkitt insists he didn't forge them.

I think Rove, via some other 3rd party, planted them with Burkitt possibly even YEARS ago, in a similar sting to the one he ran with Hatfield. I would NEVER have suspected Rove had there not been this previous history with Hatfield.

And I think some blogger ought to write about this.

Anyway, CBS was set up. Now THEIR credibility including Dan Rather's is in the toilet. They are going to have a difficult time convincing anyone anywhere for a long, long time that they've got the goods if they run across other magnificent documents on any subject at all.

They were had. They probably should've done a much better investigative job.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:08 PM
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17. I don;t see it that way at all....Rather didn't make any admission that
the info was fake - just that they couldn't confirm where it came from..

he did fine.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:11 PM
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18. And there's still the secretary's confirmation that that was what was said
although she didnt type the memo.

I think a lot of people would believe an 86 year old lady.

Notice the BFEE is not attacking her ?

Cause the Seniors and the country would go nuts , the same way we
did over Sue Niederer being arrested.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:27 PM
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19. My understanding is that CBS had been working on this story for
Edited on Mon Sep-20-04 10:28 PM by candy331
5 years and should have had impeachable source/s for their story before going on air with it. If ones here at DU and elsewhere know Rove is the Devil himself and the BFEE are seemingly invincible surely Rather and CBS knew too, so the question is why did Rather and CBS allow themselves to be set up? If they were duped it says a lot about them. How many here would trust anything coming out of the WH or their operatives? If CBS did not have original Docs in hand they should have shut up, any witness can be bought or scared off or does CBS have the originals and have been bought off.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:32 PM
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20. Wait for the ratings before closing the coffin.
I support Dan Rather and CBS. I am a recent convert! The fact that CBS is willing to face the raging republican slime machine buys them some respect from me.

Set up or not, CBS has taken a deserved hit in the journalistic integrity department. They owned it and made amends tonight! This one fuck up is more than balanced by their excellent work in the past.

I believe they can weather this if they don't fold under the pressure from the republican junta and their owned Media mouthpieces. If CBS is SMART, they can not only recover from this, but can vastly improve their market share if they continue to broadcast the TRUTH. I'm sure many others would watch and patronize their sponsors should they continue to broadcast the TRUTH. GODDAMMIT, there is an untapped market ripe for the picking of a channel with BALLS. Over 1/2 of this country voted AGAINST the policies of the bush* junta! Over 500,000 anti-bush activists marched against the republicans. My guess is that they would prefer CBS to FAUX!

bush* and his madmen started a FUCKING WAR based on FORGED DOCUMENTS and BOGUS INFORMATION. Thousands have been needlessly murdered and maimed! Where is the outrage?

I will continue to send E-Mail and snail mail support to Dan and CBS mentioning my recent conversion and support for their sponsors. Letters to their sponsors pledging support for CBS is also a good idea.
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