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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:53 PM
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Need help with new Canada treaty that will make draft dodging impossible
at least running to Canada. I'm trying to convince a winger friend that eh can't just ship his son off to Canada. I've seen links to the law here, but can't find them now.

Any help would be appreciated.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:55 PM
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1. There is no such law
just standard 'we'll help keep out terrorist' stuff
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:59 PM
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3. I think there is .... I have heard about it for a long time.... No going
to Canada....check with the embassy (Canada))
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:57 PM
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2. If he is a winger why don't he vote of Kerry.... (NO DRAFT )
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:05 PM
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4. This?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:05 PM
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5. Did someone say DRAFT?!?!?
http://www.canadianembassy.org/border/declaration-en.asp

Smart Border Declaration: WILL BE USED TO STOP AND/OR SEND BACK DRAFT DODGERS, if Canada gets bullied into it IF BUSH IS RESELECTED. But hey, that could never happen.

Or could it??

The Smart Border Declaration

BUILDING A SMART BORDER FOR THE 21st CENTURY ON THE FOUNDATION OF A NORTH AMERICAN ZONE OF CONFIDENCE

The terrorist actions of September 11 were an attack on our common commitment to democracy, the rule of law and a free and open economy. They highlighted a threat to our public and economic security. They require our governments to develop new approaches to meet these challenges. This declaration commits our governments to work together to address these threats to our people, our institutions and our prosperity.

Public security and economic security are mutually reinforcing. By working together to develop a zone of confidence against terrorist activity, we create a unique opportunity to build a smart border for the 21st century; a border that securely facilitates the free flow of people and commerce; a border that reflects the largest trading relationship in the world.

Our countries have a long history of cooperative border management. This tradition facilitated both countries' immediate responses to the attacks of September 11. It is the foundation on which we continue to base our cooperation, recognizing that our current and future prosperity and security depend on a border that operates efficiently and effectively under all circumstances.

Action Plan
The attached Action Plan for Creating a Secure and Smart Border includes the measures already identified by our colleagues as well as new initiatives. Four pillars support the action plan:

(1) The Secure Flow of People

We will implement systems to collaborate in identifying security risks while expediting the flow of low risk travellers.

We will identify security threats before they arrive in North America through collaborative approaches to reviewing crew and passenger manifests, managing refugees, and visa policy coordination.

We will establish a secure system to allow low risk frequent travellers between our countries to move efficiently across the border.

(2)The Secure Flow of Goods

We will implement a system to collaborate in identifying high risk goods while expediting the flow of low risk goods.

We will identify security threats arriving from abroad by developing common standards for screening cargo before it arrives in North America, while working to clear goods at the first port of entry.
We will adopt compatible security standards at production and distribution facilities to minimize security threats. We will expedite the flow of low risk traffic between our countries by establishing compatible commercial processes at the border.

We will expedite the flow of low risk goods between our countries by establishing secure procedures to clear goods away from the border, including at rail yards and at marine ports.
(3)Secure Infrastructure

We will relieve congestion at key crossing points by investing reciprocally in border infrastructure and identifying technological solutions that will help to speed movement across the border.
We will identify and minimize threats to our critical infrastructure including the airports, ports, bridges, tunnels, pipelines and powerlines that link our countries.
(4)Coordination and Information Sharing in the Enforcement of these Objectives

We will put the necessary tools and legislative framework in place to ensure that information and intelligence is shared in a timely and coherent way within our respective countries as well as between them.
We will strengthen coordination between our enforcement agencies for addressing common threats.

Next Steps

We will meet again early in the new year to review the critical paths that we have asked our officials to develop for realizing each of the objectives set out in the action plan. We will consult regularly to ensure continued progress on this plan to achieve the goals outlined as quickly as possible.

This joint action plan is an important step. Our governments are committed to building on this plan to continually identify and implement measures that can be taken to secure a smart border.
These measures are regarded by both governments as matters of the highest priority.

Ottawa, Canada
December 12, 2001
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:08 PM
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6. Easier to print up 10,000 of these DRAFT ALERT FLYERS and hang them
than depend on the Canadian Dream!



Printable pdf: http: http://somnamblst.tripod.com/draftalert.pdf

In May, the Seattle Post Intelligencer published an article about a document they received through the Freedom of Information Act. It was revealed that the SSS is currently “designing procedures” for the implementation of a “Skills Draft” after holding a top-level meeting on it with Deputy Undersecretaries at the Defense Department. This draft would change the very mission of the Selective Service and require “virtually every young American”, male and female ages 18-34, to register for the Skills Draft and list all the occupations they are proficient in to fill labor shortages throughout nearly the entire government.

Here, for the first time, is the FOI document itself:

http://blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

This document is real, having been acknowledged by the DoD and the SSS when they said no action is being taken on it at the present time, as reported:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html

Although Congress would have to approve new legislation to create a Skills Draft or reinstate the combat draft, Family Circle reported in its July 13 issue that Karl Rove has polled GOP members of Congress in September 2002 to see if they would support the President if he requests reinstatement. The Republicans said they would vote for the draft.

In addition, the SSS itself has said that it is “designing procedures” (Seattle PI, May 1, 2004) to implement the skills draft, meaning designing the compliance cards and the data fields needed to keep track of “virtually every young American” and their skills. Acting Director of the SSS Brodsky has also said the Skills Draft is the “top priority” of the Selective Service for 2004. The Issue Paper options include:

- Allow a non-combat draft for shortages in critical skills, without calling a combat draft.

- Fill labor shortages of all kinds throughout not only DoD but the Dept. of Homeland Security and other agencies, especially high-paying professionals like computer networking specialist or linguist.

- Create a single-point, all-inclusive database, in which every young person would be forced to send in a “self-declaration” of all of their critical skills, chosen from a long list of occupations like the Armed Forces Specialty Code. The usual penalties of imprisonment and/or a $250,000 fine would apply to all non-registrants.

In the secret planning meeting document, the next steps strongly recommended by SSS Acting Director Brodsky were:

1. “Promptly” redefine the SSS Mission to draft men and women up to age 34 for skills, and deliver them within 90 days or sooner to the Department of Defense. Program a massive database to be ready to enter millions of names of those registering their critical skills.

2. Expand mission to deliver personnel in skills draft to the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies, including FEMA, NSC, Border Patrol, INS, Customs, Corporation for National Service, Public Health Service and other agencies.

3. Form interagency task force to provide Administration with recommendation on this skills draft for the entire government.

4. Obtain White House Statement of Administration Policy on the future of the SSS.

5. Be prepared to market the skills draft, raising the non-combat age to 34 and the drafting of women to the Armed Services and Appropriations Committee.

In contrast to this planning and preparation to create a targeted draft, Kerry plans to spend an additional $7 billion to strengthen the Volunteer Army in what is essentially a “No-Draft Plan”. Moreover, Kerry is strongly opposed to the neo-con plan revealed in Wes Clark’s book Winning Modern Wars, in which Clark was told by a senior Pentagon official that invasions of Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Sudan and Somalia were planned and still to come over the next three years.

Go tohttp://www.blatanttruth.org/draft.php for more!

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05

KERRY '04 = PNAC OUT THE DOOR!

For more Flyers: http://somnamblst.tripod.com/
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:20 PM
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7. the last time this happened ...
... the Canadian people put pressure on the government to let the draft resisters in.

It was a Liberal minority government in the late 1960s (like right now) and the New Democratic party, Liberal backbenchers, and the United Church (largest Protestant church in Canada, kind of like liberal Methodists in terms of social issues) orchestrated a letter-writing campaign to get the MPs to cave in.

Some of us up here are starting to ask around about how this was done, because we might need to repeat it. By the way, the anti-war feeling appears to be stronger than it was back then.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:53 PM
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8. The Trudeau Government was responsible for that
To a point. I read somewhere where Trudeau had said that Canada should be a place for people trying to escape militarism.

Martin does not feel the same unfortunately. He's even gone so far to suggest that Canada should join the missile defense to stay a part of NORAD.
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