How to commit genocide in the age of media

[jokerman93]

I hate to say this but I'm becoming convinced that Rumsfeld et al (the Bush/war-energy corporation alliance) have been carrying on a systematic campaign intended to inflict gradual but certain genocide upon the Iraqi people. The first act of malevolence was to dismissively allow the cultural treasures of the local ancient cultures to be looted and desecrated immediately after our frenzied rush to "shock and awe". It might be construed as a kind of spiritual rape, a necessary component of genocide.

Then came the litany of "mistakes" and lies. Review them in your mind now, if you care to. No need for me to recite the list. We all know what's been done in our name.

I just read they turned the water off in Bagdad for three days.

I predict (for example) the ancient holy city of Falluja will be wrecked and pacified incrementally -- and so on -- if the neocon conquest is not reigned in by fair elections in November, or a nasty worldwide coalition of the pissed-off after that...

Has anyone else had these thoughts? I'm curious.

(edited to start a discussion on the nature of genocide)

[drunkdriver-in-chief]

1. The genocide of Iraq has been going on for 13 years

Well over a million iraqis had been killed by the bombing and sanctions even before bush invaded in 2003 even though iraq has never done anything to america!! It's an arab holocaust.

[jokerman93]

2. Are you suggesting

Are you suggesting that intentional genocide has been waged by our government in that area since Bush Sr.? Would you say that Clinton was aware of it in some way? How would he have framed it?

This idea is new to me.

[K-W]

3. Remember, the Hawks didnt leave washington.

Many stayed in the pentagon throughout Clinton. Others worked for think tanks or corporations as lobbyists. They were putting tons of pressure on Clinton to not just keep enforcing the no fly zone and sanctions but to invade Iraq.

I would tend to think that Clinton was clueless on what Bush Sr. Really did in Iraq, and felt he was just going along with containing a rogue nation.

[jokerman93]

7. Interesting

So the Bush cabal retained some of their clout and programs during Clinton's administration?

Why didn't Bush Sr. finish off Saddam during The Gulf War? He probably could have.

Mmm. I guess the neocons hadn't galvanized by that point. Possibly empire wasn't on the horizon yet. Just thug influence.

???

[K-W]

10. Where do you think PNAC came from?

"Established in the spring of 1997, the Project for the New American Century is a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership. The Project is an initiative of the New Citizenship Project (501c3); the New Citizenship Project's chairman is William Kristol and its president is Gary Schmitt. "

http://www.newamericancentury.org/aboutpnac.htm

These were people who had influence in the administration during Reagan and Bush, and when Clinton got in office, they organized to influence his foriegn policy and plan for the future when Clinton would be gone.

The Bush family was heavily involved as were many members of the Bush administration.

Clinton was under constant pressure from them to stay strong on the Iraq issue among other foriegn policy objectives.

[jokerman93]

11. Bingo

That's obvious now that you say it. Yes.

[K-W]

12. Bush 1 wasn't a neocon.

The neocons had galvanized fully. They started before Reagan and were a big part of his administration, they continued to play a large role in Bush 1's administration. Bush 1 was not an ideological Reaganite, to the best of my knowledge. He was an opportunist, a powerful man with connections who was all too willing to work with Reagan to get to the presidency. Diabolical, but not a neo-con. Not adverse to thier methods, he obviously was involved in seriously illegal things throughout his career, but just not sharing thier same view of the world.

There were people calling for regime change under Bush 1. But Bush was more interested in winning the election than he was in taking over the middle east. He didnt want to press the allies or the war. He had a clean pretty war under his belt, and thats all he wanted. They arranged for Iraq to stay contained, and I imagine figured they would get it the next term after Bush, who had now won a war was sure to beat the pathetic democrats.

They never got thier chance and were ousted after they thought they would always be in power. PNAC forms out of Bush administration people. Jeb is involved because they want the family legacy to continue. Cheney, rumsfeld, even Dan Quayle if I remember right. They were building the power block that would become the W. Bush administration. They made sure the next president would be a neoconservative by attacking clinton and building thier power, and they also pushed clinton to keep up Bush 1 policies and to remove Saddam. They did this because they wanted Saddam out, and also to make Clinton look bad.

The no fly zone we put in place made no sense. Supposedly the war was over. Supposedly Iraq had agreed to a deal by which he would not rearm or invade anyone again. Why was the US allowed to continue occupying thier skies? We have occupied Iraqi air space since the first gulf war. This has been a much longer occupation that most realize.

It was to provoke an attack. To provoke Saddam to fire at planes, which supposedly he did. And then President Bush(1) could remove Saddam. But instead it was clinton, and while the far right called on him to remove saddam, he only ordered air strikes.

This is my take on it at least, ive ventured from what i can prove a bit.

[jokerman93]

13. Late reply

Thanks for this amazing history lesson. And thanks for taking the time to summarize what must have taken a great deal of reading and paying attention in order to know.

J

[not systems]

4. We have been walking them back down the developmental stages...

for the last 14 years.

Once the most advanced industrialized secular state in the area is
sliding toward under development and theocracy.

Look no more regional power to threaten any friend in the area.

So what if millions have their lives destroyed.

We just don't care they aren't part of our Judeo-Christian
tradition so don't get full human status in our score keeping.

What will it take to make American society resist committing genocide?

[Raster]

5. How to commit genocide in the "Age of Media"?

Don't show it. Don't cover it. Don't feature it. Don't report it, and surely, don't photograph it. Don't let anyone see it.

Own the messenger, control the message.
Discourage free uncensored speech and thought.
Deny everything.

[K-W]

6. And anything that slips through you spin

until everyone is so turned around they dont know which way is up.

[Raster]

9. Introduce something else to distract the mark. Like three-card monty.

[jokerman93]

8. And slow it way down

so nobody's to blame.