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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 06:18 AM
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Do the neocons control the insurance companies yet?
Today in Michigan the Senate Committee on Health and Health Policy will have a hearing on a legislative package that will allow health care providers (including individual employees), health care facilities (including hospitals, hospices and pharmacies), health maintenance organizations (HMOs), and Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Michigan to refuse to provide or participate in health care services or benefits based on moral, ethical or religious beliefs.

Although the legislation prohibits the denial of services to people protected under the Michigan Civil Rights Act, sexual orientation and gender identity are not protected categories. This means:

*LGBT people can be denied medical treatment, standard medication, or emergency care, or their insurance company could deny payment of services rendered.

*Women could be denied birth control devices or emergency contraception to reduce the possibility of a pregnancy after being raped.

*Medical decisions may be based on subjective and biased criteria, not medical and ethical principles. This is of particular concern for end-of-life decisions.

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I believe the next step in their agenda would be to make sure that those running the insurance companies are opposed to birth control, to ensure it isn't covered. Have they already taken care of that?
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 06:19 AM
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1. Insurance companies:
Take lots of your money, give nothing in return. Their most erotic fantasy.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 06:24 AM
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2. Insurance companies are typically owned by very conservative...
...people, usually from the GOP.

If FratBoy manages to occupy the White House for another four years, I suppose eugenics will be making a comeback, too. That's the logical next step after refusing service to certain groups of people, don't you think?
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MadProphetMargin Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 06:25 AM
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3. Um, it's the other way around.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 06:25 AM
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4. No the Insurance companies control the neocons!
Along with a lot of huge corporations!("old money")
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 07:16 AM
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6. I hadn't considered that
but thinking it through, I'm not sure it makes sense.

Insurance companies could push the agenda of denying birth control and abortions, but wouldn't the result be higher birth rates - and births are far more expensive to cover?

Or is the theory that people will manage to get birth control/abortions on their own, somehow, even if insurance won't cover it?

The objections to the emergency contraception has to be driven by the neocons, not the insurance companies, I think, because it's so much cheaper than the alternative.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 07:36 AM
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8. No, here's what a neocon would do about having kids!
Bush & Eugenics

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Eugenics began as a breeding science for horses in the late 19th century. In the early 1900s No. Carolina and Virginia used it to control the population of humans that were deemd inferior though mental; retardation and handicapped. Hitler's Nazi Germany expanded its use to control the population of those deemed unfit or unnecessary people: handicapped, gypsies, indigents, slavs, and Jews. This is the core of the Master Race way of thinking and it is alive and well in our world today. One can understand the need for birth control in today's world but who gets sterilized and who doesn't is not always a voluntary decision. The survivors make up the master race; the characteristics of which are highly defined by race purists. Here is a brief history.

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On Eugenics ---- "The must put the most modern medical means in the service of this knowledge.... Those who are physically and mentally unhealthy and unworthy must not perpetuate their suffering in the body of their children.... The prevention of the faculty and opportunity to procreate on the part of the physically degenerate and mentally sick, over a period of only 600 years, would ... free humanity from an immeasurable misfortune."
-- Adolph Hitler

"The per capita income gap between the developed and the developing countries is increasing, in large part the result of higher birth rates in the poorer countries.... Famine in India, unwanted babies in the United States, poverty that seemed to form an unbreakable chain for millions of people--how should we tackle these problems?.... It is quite clear that one of the major challenges of the 1970s ... will be to curb the world's fertility." Much more
-- George Bush Sr.

http://www.tribalmessenger.org/t-secret-gov/eugenics.htm

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 07:54 AM
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10. Population control using sterilization and war is the neocon plan!
Bush family values...

Race Hygiene: Three Bush Family Alliances

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Race science experimenter Dr. Claude Nash Herndon provided more details in an interview in 1990.

Alice Gray was the general supervisor of the project. She and Hanes sent out letters promoting the program to the commissioners of all 100 counties in North Carolina.... What did I do? Nothing besides riding herd on the whole thing! The social workers operated out of my office. I was at the time also director of outpatient services at North Carolina Baptist Hospital. We would see the parents and children there.... I.Q. tests were run on all the children in the Winston-Salem public school system. Only the ones who scored really low , the real bottom of the barrel, like below 70.



Did we do sterilizations on young children? Yes. This was a relatively minor operation.... It was usually not until the child was eight or ten years old. For the boys, you just make an incision and tie the tube.... We more often performed the operation on girls than with boys. Of course, you have to cut open the abdomen, but again, it is relatively minor.

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Having gotten away with sterilizing several hundred North Carolina school children, `` not usually less than eight to ten years old, '' the identical group is now authorized by President Bush to do it to 58 countries in Asia, Africa and Ibero-America. The group modestly claims it has directly sterilized `` only '' two million people, with 87 percent of the bill paid by U.S. taxpayers.

Meanwhile, Dr. Clarence Gamble, Boyden Gray's favorite soap manufacturer, formed his own `` Pathfinder Fund '' as a split-off from the Sterilization League. Gamble's Pathfinder Fund, with additional millions from USAID, concentrates on penetration of local social groups in the non-white countries, to break down psychological resistance to the surgical sterilization teams.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush3.htm

This happened in Winston Salem North Carolina and these people are just like Nazis!

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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 06:29 AM
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5. So people will just not tell their doctors the truth and care will go down
I pity two old ladies that live together, if their house burns down and they have to go to the doctors. That was how old ladies used to care for them selfs. Pool income and live together. Guess that is out now.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 07:17 AM
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7. That's true
If they won't prescribe birth control to single women, for example, the alternatives are:

1. lying to the doctor about your status
2. Marriages of convenience, much like army people getting married so they don't have to live in the barracks.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 07:39 AM
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9. Ever heard of One hand washes the other??
Thats what you have with the insurance crooks and Bush and his crooks. Our home owner rates went up over a $100.00 per year just a quickly as they could after 9/11.

I'm in Kansas for christs sake,is OBL going to terrorize my neighborhood??

David
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