It's Elementary, My Dear DU! Lucy Ramirez is Nydia Stone (Cuban) and Roger

[Dems Will Win]

Stone is the unknown man with the envelope!!

I have just finished playing my violin and have figured out the whole Memo Scandal.

Bush is toast.

Lucy Ramirez is Nydia Stone (Cuban) and Roger Stone is the guy with the envelope (probably wearing sunglasses and a hat). Burkett could indentify him and her voice--because this is wire fraud and a felony, as William Safire so helpfully pointed out in the New York Times today.

Since Stone grew up with Rove in the Dirty Tricks Department, the whole thing becomes clear.

It's the old Rove trick as they did with Hatfield and planting the cocaine stories. Burkett has a history of mental illness and so became Patsy #1. And only Rove could have gotten Stone the original memos to copy!

Now fetch me my pipe!

Burkett's story--in which he is virtuous to the lady and dutifully burns the originals as she requested:

-snip-

The story begins in March, when Mr. Burkett, who had just been on MSNBC's "Hardball" discussing Mr. Bush's Guard service, received a call from a mysterious woman he calls Lucy Ramirez. Previously, Mr. Burkett had identified the source of the memos as one George Conn, another former Texas National Guard officer, conveniently abroad in Europe. In an e-mail to USA Today, Mr. Conn denied any involvement with the Killian memos. Mr. Burkett himself admits that he had lied about his source as a way of protecting her.

In their conversation, Lucy Ramirez explained how she had in her custody damaging documents to Mr. Bush and scheduled a meeting with Mr. Burkett to hand them over. That meeting occurred on or around March 3 at a livestock show in Houston. But, according to Mr. Burkett, Lucy Ramirez didn't show up. Instead, as he told USA Today, an unknown "man handed him an envelope and quickly left." After receiving the memos, Mr. Burkett said he stopped off at a Kinko's store in Waco and made copies. In the parking lot outside, Mr. Burkett said he then burned the originals, pursuant to Lucy Ramirez's wishes. Over the next few days, Mr. Burkett said he hid the copies "in cold storage" at an undisclosed location 100 miles from his home in Baird.

-snip-

http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040921-085106-6584r.htm

A Dirty Trick has finally been exposed--and well before an election!

[EST]

1. Cute-

Have you called Mcauliffe?

[Dems Will Win]

2. No I decided to let you know first!

[itcfish1]

30. How About

Informing Dan Rather and CBS News???

[Dems Will Win]

31. Would you do that, old friend

I'm rather busy between the violin and the case, you know!



Dems Will Win and Dr. H20 Man Join the investigation at CBS.

[wolfgang]

3. You get inspiration from playing music too?

Amazing how therapeutic it can be. I think you have an interesting theory. Aren't these the swingers?

[Dems Will Win]

6. And they'll soon be swinging from the highest tree,

if Scotland Yard has anything to say about it, my dear fellow!

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. But how is Stone connected to Buckhead?

that's what I want to know?

I think there's something there, and it might be easier to prove. There will be more fingerprints and he wouldn't have burnt up the forensic evidence.

[The Great Escape]

8. Do They Really Need To Be Connected?

I would think only the Buckhead link to Rove and/or the Stone link to Rove.

[EST]

11. We already know how their connections are umm, connected

At least, the external, visible connections. T'would be so very simple for the evil master mind to set up. After all, the bit with Rove being in another part of the country and still whispering about Bush's cocaine habits only required a sorta look alike. Rove has one of those twelve standard faces that nearly everyone has an uncle who looks like him, so that was a piece of coke, uh I mean cake.
I still have plenty of tin foil left, although terrible arthritis cut short my musical career some years ago.

[Dems Will Win]

12. Don't need the connection but Buckhead is a GOP Atlanta lawyer

and likely knows the whole crowd.

THe crime is forging TANG docs that were then broadcast as real.

Whoever, having devised any scheme or artifice to defraud transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. " U.S. Criminal Code, Chapter 63, Section 1343.


WASHINGTON — At the root of what is today treated as an embarrassing blunder by duped CBS journalists may turn out to be a felony by its faithless sources.

Some person or persons conceived a scheme to create a series of false Texas Air National Guard documents and append a photocopied signature to one of them. The perpetrator then helped cause the fraudulent file to be transmitted by means of television communication to millions of voters for the purpose of influencing a federal election.

That was no mere "dirty trick"; it could be a violation of the U.S. criminal code. If the artifice had not been revealed by sharp-eyed bloggers, a national election could have been swung by a blatant falsehood.

Who was the forger? Did others conspire with him or her to present a seeming government document - with knowledge of its falsity and with intent to defraud, which is a felony in Texas? Who was to benefit and how?


-snip-

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/22/opinion/22safi.html?hp

The evil Professor Moriarty (Rove) even had a backup plan if Stone was found out. And so they unleashed Safire today with a call for an FBI investigation to cover it up until after the election.

They always make a mistake, my dear DU! All you need do is look!

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. You make some good points

I didn't consider the wire fraud issues. That does make it imperative that we find out more about Ms. Lucy, ah excuse me Ms. Nydia. But Ms. Lucy wasn't necessaritly even in TX. Just some man who showed up instead and gave Burkett the envelope?

But, hey what does Dr. Watson know anyway?

[KlatooBNikto]

26. Elementary, my dear Watson.Roger and Nydia share some

common activities (wink, wink) with Buckhead and his SO.

[crispini]

5. Ah!

Very nice! :)

Um, how does anyone prove it?

[Dems Will Win]

9. Just have Burkett look at a picture of Roger Stone and listen to a tape

of Nydia's voice.

Plus Stone must have traveled to Texas somehow for the March 3rd date. It's interstate wire fraud, my dear DU.

Time to bring in the chief coverup artist, FBI Director Mueller. THAT'S WHY SAFIRE REVEALED IT'S A FELONY TODAY!

They need to get this off the front page with a hearty TALLY-HO and "We will investigate with the FBI!--So let's wait for the investigation to finish."

[dogtag]

7. I don't want to visit the Washington Times site, but

would like to know if the article mentions the Kinko's in Abilene. Did Burkett re copy the Waco copies again before sending them to CBS?

[Dems Will Win]

10. Yes--and burned the originals

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. I wonder if the venue for the Livestock show

has CAMERAS? Wouldn't that be sweet? EXCEPT, if KKKRove is behind this, any film of that meeting at the Livestock show has already been confiscated IF it was caught on camera. :(

I like your theory, but are you SURE Lucy Ramirez is REALLY Nydia Stone? Do we have proof? Just the fact that Stone wouldn't deny he was involved, pegs him as GUILTY, in my book, but I think we need more PROOF to take down these people. :hi:

[Dems Will Win]

15. My dear fellow, as Mr. Holmes himself said:

"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?"

Nydia Stone is Cuban and no doubt has an accent so she called herself Ramirez. THen Roger Stone didn't want to involve his wife directly so he traveled to Texas and gave the forgeries to Burkett.

Plus Stone has a history of dirty tricks. The real question will be who gave the docs to Stone.

PLUS! STONE CLEARLY TALKED TO A LAWYER ALREADY WHO INSTRUCTED HIM TO SAY NO COMMENT. THAT'S OBVIOUS. THIS IS WIRE FRAUD.

[GR]

14. Here's The Thing: How Would Stone Create Accurate Documents

As Killian's former secretary says they are, in content. This would have to come initially from someone who had the original documents or at least copies of them....Can you spell KKKarl Rove....?

See Hesiod for his ideas on this subject. He came up with the idea.

[Dems Will Win]

16. I'm afraid you mean Professor Moriarty, don't you?

[Egalitariat]

17. Forgery, I understand. What is the wire fraud?***

nm

[Dems Will Win]

19. It was broadcast on TV, see post #12

[progressivebydesign]

18. I have no doubt this is a Stone production.. but..

do you think they'd be dumb enough to do the work in person? Stone and his ilk have "faithful", especially in Texas, that will do that work for them... keeping them clean. How did they find Burkett?

[Dems Will Win]

20. I bet Stone did it, cause he wouldn't trust anyone but Lucy, I mean Nydia!

[Shrek]

21. Is there any new evidence pointing to Stone?

All I've heard about is the "no comment" which doesn't seem like much.

[Dems Will Win]

22. Ah, yes, my dear DU! THe dog that didn't bark!

"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?" "To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time." "The dog did nothing in the night-time." "That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes. (It's from the short story "Silver Blaze".)

NO COMMENT -- curious incident no? The Dog that didn't bark!

Now go refill my pipe!

Anyone with a serious flaw in my argument? Something that might force me to play my violin again?

[Dems Will Win]

23. kick

[H2O Man]

25. interesting theory......

One of the things that the neocons do is the old nazi practice of mixing one part truth with three parts of lies, which allows them to bounce back and forth between fact and fiction in any discussion or debate.

[Dems Will Win]

27. My dear H20 Man, there's no time to waste theorizing now!

The chaps over on the other thread have noticed something even old Sherlock missed!

I have to get used to this global brain Internet thing!

ANyway, the question is: who called CBS to tell them to call Burkett??

So it's off to CBS! Hail a coach, old boy would you! I must get my coat, my pipe, my hat and my magnifying glass!

We must go question the lovely Miss Mary Mapes straight away! She holds the answer to "The Strange Case of the TANG Forgeries"!!

[fob]

28. One thing - If the docs they passed were forgeries BASED on real docs

AND they did them on a modern computer, are you saying they just got lucky that CBS didn't discover their (apparently) so easily uncovered ruse?

I still have seen no evidence that they were NOT typed on a machine of the releveant time period. If they were, then how was the forgery story so easily sold?

Something doesn't square. The documents are either real, "real", fake or "fake". And each designation goes down a different path.

[Dems Will Win]

29. Ah my dear FOE, the secretary for Killian himself said she did not type

them but typed something similar on an old manual Olympia.

Put on your thinking cap now!

The criminal, the notorious Roger Stone, DID type them on a Selectric of the time and thought this will prove an easy forgery as the original was an old manual typewriter.

THis is where everyone but I, the greatest detective in all of England, got lost in this case.

You must think like the criminal to catch the criminal.

[fob]

32. So it is your position, good Dr, that the CBS documents are copies of

fake "real" documents? Professor Stoneiarity got the real ones, and upon determining their method of coming into being, selected a close enough machine to get them past scrutiny, but with enough "markers" as to their true progeny.

Their intention was to pull the rug out from under CBS based on the irregularites of typewriters of the era, but in a stroke of luck, modern day computers were brought into the whole thing thereby overriding their intended misdirection with an even greater turn of events?

What happens when the original fake "real" docs turn up with the Professor's or "Lucy's" fingerprints? How about the REAL documents that Ms. Kox typed?

Truly a mystery!!

[Dems Will Win]

34. I believe Dear Foe, you may have forgotten a key fact

Being a virtuous man of the South, Mr. Burkett says he burned the originals upon the impassioned ("hard and deep") pleas of the seductive "Lucy Ramirez", who we know now was Nydia. So there are no fake originals.

And Dr. Roviarty no doubt had his accomplice Stone destroy the inciminating evidence long ago!

So there are no originals--which would have been, in my esteemed estimation, on the old manual Olympia, typed by the lovely Mrs. Knox.

Wait Stone missed one!



Dems Will Win and Dr. H20 Man find the partially-burned original in the Stone Apartment!

[fob]

35. The "burn the originals" part of the plot gives me pause, Dr.

Wouldn't you NEED to make SURE the originals were SAFE and hidden well away just in case you needed to verify your story? Why cut off your only way to establish your credibility? Methinks you may be onto something.

Cheers!

[Dems Will Win]

37. Normally true, my dear FOE!

But when a woman pledges her honor to a gentleman of the South, you must agree he feels duty-bound to honor his pledge to her and burn the originals as she requested.

I'm afraid Mr. Burkett was taken and Lucy (who everyone knew as Nydia) purred and cried into the phone, after which she must have been given a big kiss from hubba hubby and the Academy Award for best Election-Stealing Scene.

[H2O Man]

36. ha-ha-ha!!

Oh, that was great!

[Fridays Child]

33. Burkett didn't burn anything. He's not a stupid man.

Either there was no call from a Lucy Ramirez nor meeting with a man at the fairgrounds or Burkett still has the originals and they will be revealed in the course of his litgation against CBS.

I hope for the latter but, given Burkett's previous lie to CBS, I'm afraid that it's the former.

[Dems Will Win]

38. harumph!

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39. kick