Why do I get the feeling some here at DU WANT our military to fail?

[KingofRock]

I am all for showing the country the quagmire in Iraq. I am all for using it as evidence that we need a new President. But some here are rooting against our troops in Iraq. Some here hope for more death and destruction to use politically. Treating the insurgents as noble freedom fighters and comparing them to our forefathers. These guys snatch up private citizens and chop off heads. I was in the Army National Guard but went full time. My former Guard Unit is in Iraq and has 1 soldier so far. I hear from my friends over there and the last thing they want to do is kill any innocent civilians.

When Kerry gets elected he will need the military to fight the real war on terra. So stop jumping for joy every time one of them dies, and stop digging up random pictures of wounded Iraqis and posting them out of context. Every incident has two sides.

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[hansolsen]

3. Here is why. See DU thread posted five minues ago. See link N/T

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2382351

[wryter2000]

13. Maybe I'm misunderstanding

I don't see anything in that thread that could be called rooting against our troops.

[GiovanniC]

40. He's Saying That Might Be Why Some Would Root Against The Troops

Not saying that thread shows people doing so.

[aintitfunny]

26. There was nothing there indicating

what you are claiming in this post, outside of the Fact that innocents are getting killed in this war. The Troops are not being blamed for that, the policies of the current administration are.

[neuvocat]

4. Unless you've got examples

I wouldn't make that sort of statement. A lot of people knew that this was going to happen. The military did its job well but unfortunately the political aspects of occupying the place were ignored. Don't confuse the two.

[leftofthedial]

5. I don't wish for death or suffering for anyone

but only the "good Germans" wished for German military success at Stalingrad.

Only the "good murkans" wish for US military success in an illegal war of conquest and occupation.

[Canadian_moderate]

6. I agree

If Kerry wins in November, he will have to deal with this situation and sort out this mess without leaving the Iraqis in chaos.

[Southsideirish]

7. This is the best you got today? Not that effective - keep trying!

[Avalux]

11. LOL!

You know this one well apparently! :evilgrin:

[wryter2000]

8. One quibble

The insurgents (Iraqis who are resisting the occupation) aren't the folks beheading people. Those are outside terrorists led by a Jordanian. Punishing Iraqis for his actions only compounds the problem.

[billbuckhead]

9. You don't think the "insurgents" are fighting for their country?

I wonder how you would feel if some other nation came over here to liberate us by firing us from our jobs, putting a known spy in charge and keeping peace through airstrikes.

[Deja Q]

31. You are correct. But so is he.

That is the issue at hand.

It was not about liberation. Not about WMDs. Not about a legitimate threat. They are fighting what they believe to be inhuman invaders. Too many 'accidents' on our part (from replacing their flag with ours to several 'unintentional' deaths) only solidify their beliefs.

Our military, with the exception of some inhuman vermin who proved they are no better than the leaders they deposed, is decent and honorable. Nor is our military the problem. The people in power ARE. For abusing their power, lying, and being reckless with no plan. They even told our troops not to stop the looting that happened shortly after 'shock and awe'. The troops were just doing as they were told by a regime that would knock them down at every opportunity. Caught between a rock and a hard place.

The regime is the problem. Many of our citizens don't see it as such, regrettably. And now that the can of worms has been opened, the response, when spun, only gives * more credibility as there are now more terrorists to eliminate. (except * created most of the new ones.)

[tigereye]

43. nicely said

[G_j]

10. garbage

everyone I know just wants the killing to stop, period!

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[Old and In the Way]

14. The real war on Terror has nothing to do with the Bush war for

oil and bases in Iraq.

How many more Americans need to die before you are willing to call this invasion/occupation a catastrophic failure? What's your threshold for American lives wasted to secure oilfields and profits for Enron?

[myrna minx]

15. Jumping for joy?!?! What rubbish!

Many of us have friends and family over there so your concept is so full of shit. Some Duers have had their family members killed over there. I guessed you have missed the support threads for the families of the fallen. We mourn the loss of all life over there. Balderdash!

[jayfish]

16. Every Incident Has Two Sides...

and we already get your side from the government. Looks like you don't want to know the other side and you don't want anyone else knowing either. Who is telling their side? Basically what you are saying is support us no matter what. By the way the military is controlled by the civilian government. If Kerry wins and tells you to do something, you better well fucking do it regardless of who is "jumping for joy :eyes: every-time one of you dies."


Jay

[bobthedrummer]

17. Those are only YOUR perceptions-no one "jumps for joy" here-sheesh,

focus on the fact that it is this administration that HAS FAILED and criminally ABUSED our troops.

You are way off with your perceptions.

[underpants]

Three comments

First, you might want to edit that My former Guard Unit is in Iraq and has 1 soldier so far.-Do you mean one soldier KILLED so far.

Second, of course Kerry is going to need the military to fight the War on Terror, did you think (or has he claimed) that he was going to do it by himself?

Last, I have seen posts by people who simply don't like the military at all. Some of these are from actual real life pacifist who believe in NO war- I don't share those ideals but recognize that some people do.

I HAVE YET TO HEAR ANYONE HERE CHEERING ABOUT SOLDIERS DIE.

That is a right wing BULLSHIT talking point.

[truhavoc]

18. "Every incident has two sides"

And our side is wrong.

If someone commits a criminal act (as recently declared by the UN) I think the Iraqi people have every right to fight our occupation to the best of their abilities, using whatever methods they can.

With respect to comparing them to our forefathers, I would have to agree that there are simularities. They are using new tactics (kidnapping, roadside bombs, ect) as methods to bring down a much more powerful illegal force.

I hope we figure this out before we suffer the fate of the British. Imperialism does not last.

[bloom]

19. Isn't Iraq supposed to win?

Isn't that why we are supposed to be there - giving them their freedom?

If we aren't trying to help them win - recreate their country their own selves - what are we doing?


That was Richard Clarke's point.

[aintitfunny]

20. This is offensive

I have seen tremendous support for the troops on this board. Even those completely against the war beleive our troops are serving their country well and admirably. They are doing what is asked of them. I think your remarks are inaccurate, incorrect and out of line. The death of each soldier personally cuts me to the quick. Certainly no one jumps for joy over death and tragedy. I have never seen anyone on this board treat the insurgents as "noble" anythings. I have never read a post that hopes for more death and destruction. Of course our soldiers do not want to kill innocent civilians. Your conjecture is offensive.

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[cally]

22. -Please provide some posts that you

find objectionable. I think DUers are horrified that troops are dying and injured. We are also horrified that innocent Iraqis are dying and maimed. I am happy when the American voter hears the truth about Iraq so we can get a new President.

[Joanne98]

23. OH Pleeeeeeezzzzzzzzzeeeeeeeeeee

Nobody here is hoping our military fails. it's the Republicans who are using the troops for cannon fodder so they can make a profit looting Iraq. the Iraqis have already figured this out so the whole BS freedom and democracy hoax is over anyway. If you support the troops you'll bring them home. You can't win a war based on a lie. DENIAL is not helping the troops at all.

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[bowens43]

27. The only difference between what the

insurgents are doing and what the US is doing is that the US is doing it on a much larger scale. We have killed tens of thousands of innocent people.

The insurgents are defending their country against an invading army. They have every right to do so. Our troops have no right to be there. We need to see more pictures of what we have done to the country of Iraq and it's people.

We invaded them. They did nothing to us. I want all the soldiers home safe and sound but I also want the US to damn well know that it can't go around invading other countries without repercussions. But now that we have done this horrible thing, failure is out of the question.

[mmonk]

28. The only chance for our military

to avoid failure (which isn't really their failure, but this policy's failure) in my estimation is for this situation to be internationalized. The ONLY chance I see for this is a Kerry victory. eom

[Trajan]

29. WHO is 'Jumping for Joy' ???

What an absurd statement, and utterly false ....

We ABHOR violence, either BY the soldiers or AGAINST the soldiers ....

EVERY dead soldier is further evidence of the failure of POLICY, NOT of duty or service ....

Stop trying to conflate the criticism against Bush and his policies as criticism of our soldiers: Those soldiers are OUR sons and daughters, mothers and father, aunts and uncles ....

I despise Bush and his Neocon idiots .... I respect our soldiers, and want them to NOT kill and NOT BE killed ....

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35. Take a little deeper look at our forefathers, why don't you.

"Treating the insurgents as noble freedom fighters and comparing them to our forefathers. These guys snatch up private citizens and chop off heads. I was in the Army National Guard but went full time. My former Guard Unit is in Iraq and has 1 soldier so far. I hear from my friends over there and the last thing they want to do is kill any innocent civilians."

Now, I won't use a pop-culture movie as historical evidence, but the main character in "The Patriot" is reviled by the French for his actions at Fort Wilderness. Why? He tortured french troops.

I use this as an example, because if you take a further look at historical, first-person accounts of our forefathers. They tortured, beat, kidnapped, and raped, and yes, executed. Lets not turn a blind eye to REAL history. The parallels run very, very deep.

[jayfish]

38. Must Be He Has Never Heard Of A Guillotine. -NT-

Jay

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[progressivebydesign]

42. Best flame, ever!!! I saw a few I'd like to check off also.. n/t

[noiretextatique]

41. there is no need to defend the indefensible

and that's not incompatible with wanting all involved (american soliders, iraqi soliders, and iraqi civilians) to stop the killing.

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44. I'm locking this thread

Reason: Extreme Flamebait