Talk 3

[undergroundpanther]

Mike wrote: >
>Why do you assume I am suffering because I disagree with you?

It is clear to me from your energies that you are in great pain.

>That's rude.It's a very arrogant assumption you make.
>You have not even attempted to tackle my questions about the
>nature of spirit.Why?

I do not wish to tackle your questions. Your questions are an intellectual coverup for the pain you have buried.
>
>asks them?

You are not asking questions. you are making assertions. I when I do answer, you say I am wrong.

>guru. Not like a genuine person who's truly concerned with
>really finding out what is going on in metaphysical realms

I already know what is going on in the metaphysical realms and there is nothing that you can teach me here. Call this arrogance if you like that is your call.

I do not need to ask myself the hard questions to strengthen my beliefs. I have done that in numerous past lives.

> wanna tacle any of these questions ?

No.

If you want to know the truth of this planet, read my book The book of life, ascension and the divine world order.

I am compassionate. I will even send you a free signed copy.

If, after reading that book, you still want to "tackle the hard questions," then fine. But until you show yourself ready to listen to what I have to say, i see no point in continuing this conversation.

You want answers to your questions, they are in that book.

Free copy.


>like how YOU see yours.Why do you insist I chose to be here?

because you did. Nothing in this universe is forced.

You are simply feeling sorry for yourself and until you deal with your emotional issues, no authentic spiritual dialogue is possible

namaste

ms







I Replied...:
>>Why do you assume I am suffering because I disagree with
>you?
>
>It is clear to me from your energies that you are in great
>pain.

how do you "know" this?
>
>>That's rude.It's a very arrogant assumption you make.
>>You have not even attempted to tackle my questions about the
>>nature of spirit.Why?
>
>I do not wish to tackle your questions. Your questions are an
>intellectual coverup for the pain you have buried.

Maybe you don't have answers than?
I ain't burying anything as far as I can tell.

Acually they are not all that intellectual. I have done alot of inner exploring. and I am not as ignorant as you seem to assume I am of life
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>>asks them?
>
>You are not asking questions. you are making assertions. I
>when I do answer, you say I am wrong.

No I'm not saying you are wrong I never said that,Don't put words in my mouth..I said I disagree with you and why I dissagree and I said I thought you were a bit rude and dogmatic..Asking questions about why you think as you do is not saying you are wrong..In real life,I said that my experiences are different than yours . I said think you are talking about my emotional state in ways you cannot know by a few emails.
I suspect you are talking out of your butt on some level about me..and asserting it's true 'cause you say so. I am saying I am doubtful of dogma I don't appreciate it. And since you think you are not asserting things when you go saying I suffer when I don't think I'm suffering that I feel sorry for myself and all. That is an assertion you made about me,personally that you cannot make for me because you are not me,you haven't walked my life and know me like I know myself and my own intentions.You asserted I was a lightworker,well maybe I am a healer,or maybe a animal spirit or maybe I am something neither of us can label.You only have what information I have given you and what you may intuit. And intuitions can be off sometimes.It's the nature of intuition.

I admit I am reacting against your insisting I MUST be suffering ,be a light worker etc,and that notion of yours that nothing is "forced"here .
Could you tell that to the Iraqis held prisoner in Abu Gharib with a straight face like you did to me,could you say they just feel sorry for themselves? Could you just tell them they were not coerced in prison and they deliberately chose to be humiliated, beaten, raped and brutalized by The United states invading troops that are ravaging their country? Can you say to them "nothing is forced "? Can you say that to a torture victim fully understanding how they might think you are deluded and insult them for saying they dissagree with you? Even if you really believe that, nothing is forced idea, it would not be very compassionate of you as a human being to make such an assertion when they are in such pain.

In fact I feel it would hurt them to discount them like that if you were able to feel as they feel,with simple human empathy.To Buddhist the first noble truth is suffering.Buddha got his enlightenment under the Bodhi tree by looking at suffering.Buddhists do not claim there is no coercion in reality.Even they say samsara is illusion and it traps us. Compassion is why I do not make the same assertions you make about other people's reasons for facing suffering ,This non forced dogma you say ,it does not square with how things are. It's not just me asserting something.Whether you see that is another issue all together.
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>>guru. Not like a genuine person who's truly concerned with
>>really finding out what is going on in metaphysical realms
>
>I already know what is going on in the metaphysical realms and
>there is nothing that you can teach me here. Call this
>arrogance if you like that is your call.

OK well I know what's going on too ,for me,at least and that is my path.My path applies to me. Yours applies to you,looks like the feeling is mutual than.We have nothing to say to each other.
I call your assertions about me someone you never met, arrogant and than deny you asserted anything. You call my insight and questions anintellectual cover up of my "suffering".I beg to differ I look at suffering without running to dogmas,I have a bit of humility about this,I don't assume to know it all FOR EVERYONE ELSE.. I know emanation theory the "light worker" stuff was started with Kabballa it was simplified by Madam Blavatsky,who came up with the idea of the continuum of vibrations that go from The All good source positive light emanating out to the dark far from source or negative.. This was elaborated upon endlessly in stuff like the books of Seth and it's a pretty recent invention. I've read light work stuff before, John Edwards Sylvia Browne.Typical stuff.Theyassert similar ideas to what I have read of yours on line.I have found some so called light workers to be arrogant assuming and hypocritical,projective people.I find that flaw in their assertions go contrary to their all accepting compassion talk. Call me what you want but hypocrisy it annoys me and it's not a sign of enlightenement..
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>I do not need to ask myself the hard questions to strengthen
>my beliefs. I have done that in numerous past lives.
>
>> wanna tackle any of these questions ?
>
>No.
Than do not try to talk about this caring compassion light and love .. If my questions are a mere annoyance to you.Hypocrite.
>
>If you want to know the truth of this planet, read my book The
>book of life, ascension and the divine world order.
>
>I am compassionate. I will even send you a free signed copy.

I don't want your book, I was considering it,but after I emailed you,to see a bit more about the writer and his consistency I decided not to get your book,sorry.I fear that bad fruit is in your book.It might make me sick. I do not watch porn because it too makesme feel emotionally sick,THe actors eyes tell too much about thier life,they are in such turmoil there is nothing good and thier hearts say so.Likewise what I have seem of your personality appears toxic to me.This is how I feel about your book after seeing your responses to me, in these letters and that wasn't always the case.You cinched your no sale by your"charming" *cough* personality.
>
>If, after reading that book, you still want to "tackle the
>hard questions," then fine.

Why do I have to read propaganda first? Why can't you just say what you think about what I asked.A simple paragraph would do?Even I dunno is better than saying You(me) feel this and You(me) must feel that..
I wanted to engage you,not be preached to and be told how I feel by a stranger..I do not owe you or anyone else my trust. I was open with you, I shared,my panther dream,and some of my worldview.
You wrote back to label me a light worker, and say all will be fine in me and the Earth if I just release my 'pent up'energy. I told you I do release energy already,and how it manifests, I told you I was a reiki master I do healing etc. and I asked my questions. You commented on none of this you just did some kind of echo chamber thing in your own head,like a narcissist would.

One thing I didn't do that you did,was negate other people's right to be different. To see the world differently than I do. You will not allow me to have my own experience that I was forced here.All I did was ask why do you insist *I* was not forced here? this goes against MY personal experince. You michose to come here and I believe that is so,for YOU. Because you know you best and I don't know you and in some things I can NEVER know,I don't make assertions.. It's called having humility about another person's genuine experince of things beyond..
You stubbornly insist I wasn't forced here and I disagree with you and I attempted to say why I disagree.So in response you tell me I am an emotional basket case incapable of authentic spiritual discussion.And you give me no justifications as to WHY you say this rude stuff about me.You seem to say I should just accept these dictates you insist about me as gospel truth. Apparently you are oblivious to how rude this sounds to me.This behavior of yours demonstrated in these posts back and forth shows me you have a lack in YOUR spiritual developnment.


But until you show yourself ready
>to listen to what I have to say, i see no point in continuing
>this conversation.

Why do I have to agree with you to be heard? Is not standing up for my own experience the way to appear"ready" to you? How does one show they are ready? submission? praise you? Agree and nod like a bobble head? How?
>
>You want answers to your questions, they are in that book.
>
>Free copy.
>
>
>>like how YOU see yours.Why do you insist I chose to be here?
>
>because you did. Nothing in this universe is forced.

I have heard the same assertions from"light workers" before.
They have NOTHING to base that assertion on,so by all appearances it is delusion at worst dogmatic guessing at best.
Do people who are faced with torture,what about a little baby. Do they choose what they get here? Do you really think a baby chooses to starve to death? And how is this NOT a blind assertion about the nature of reality? You are not answering that.This is called dishonesty. How can you say what I did and didn't do? How can you assert I chose to be here,just because you say you chose to be here? I am not you. We may be similar on some levels but I am not you my life is different.If the all is all one than to be ALL things,there is the possibility of coercion exists in all .Coercion is part of all.

>You are simply feeling sorry for yourself and until you deal
>with your emotional issues, no authentic spiritual dialog is
>possible.

Here you go asserting your opinion again telling me how I feel about myself saying I am feeling sorry for myself like that isn't insulting,as if you could know what's in my head.Very "lordly" of you. You never get around to telling me why you think as you do about me that is behind these assumptions you make about my feelings. You assume I haven't dealt with my emotional issues. How can you say that? Where do you get this information? Why is it only authentic spiritual dialog if it agrees with your worldview?

I have nothing further to say to you either.
But just to make sure I'm not in the wrong here I will post our "discussion" publically and ask others to tell me if I am wrong or crazy to ask what I asked you. I think others might find this 'discussion'useful in thier own spiritual explorations.I might as well share my experinces that's what helps heal and bring wisdom too you know.I have found all this fascinating,myself.

Bye.