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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 10:40 PM
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"Bush administration hawks pinning their hopes on regime change in Tehran"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6039135/site/newsweek/

The Iran crisis is more immediate in the eyes of the Bush administration, in part because Iran is among the president's "Axis of Evil." Israel, which has long regarded Iran as a more dire threat than Iraq, is making thinly veiled threats of a unilateral pre-emptive attack, like its 1981 airstrike against Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor. "If the state decides that a military solution is required, then the military has to provide a solution," said Israel's new Air Force chief of staff, Maj. Gen. Elyezer Shkedy, in a newspaper interview last week. "For obvious reasons," he added, "we aren't going to speak of specifics." U.S. defense experts doubt that Israel can pull it off. Iran's facilities (which it insists are for peaceful purposes) are at the far edge of combat range for Israel's aircraft; They're also widely dispersed and, in many cases, deep underground.

But America certainly could do it—and has given the idea some serious thought. "The U.S. capability to make a mess of Iran's nuclear infrastructure is formidable," says veteran Mideast analyst Geoffrey Kemp. "The question is, what then?" NEWSWEEK has learned that the CIA and DIA have war-gamed the likely consequences of a U.S. pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear facilities. No one liked the outcome. As an Air Force source tells it, "The war games were unsuccessful at preventing the conflict from escalating."

Instead, administration hawks are pinning their hopes on regime change in Tehran—by covert means, preferably, but by force of arms if necessary. Papers on the idea have circulated inside the administration, mostly labeled "draft" or "working draft" to evade congressional subpoena powers and the Freedom of Information Act. Informed sources say the memos echo the administration's abortive Iraq strategy: oust the existing regime, swiftly install a pro-U.S. government in its place (extracting the new regime's promise to renounce any nuclear ambitions) and get out. This daredevil scheme horrifies U.S. military leaders, and there's no evidence that it has won any backers at the cabinet level.

The NPT has never banned uranium enrichment. That didn't stop the United States, France, Germany and Britain from offering a draft resolution at last week's IAEA Governing Council meeting, demanding that Iran immediately cease such activity. Other council members quickly challenged the provision's legality. Some members of President George W. Bush's own party are throwing up their hands at such clumsy doings. "This administration's nonproliferation strategy consists of flailing around with a two-by-four," says one disgusted Republican elder statesman. And even the administration must realize that its Iran options are limited now by the chaos already overtaking Iraq.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 10:43 PM
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1. Hopes for WHAT????
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 10:47 PM
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2. There must be an echo in here
I'm sure I heard these exact same words months ago...only the country in question was named Iraq.

Other than that though, it's deja-vu.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 10:49 PM
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3. This will not go over well.
Iran is not the world pariah that the Baathi regime was. They will get some outside help.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 10:59 PM
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4. They will probably have the help of...
...every disenfranchised member of the Muslim world that's been pissed off by the Iraqi occupation.

World War III? Nuclear Holocaust? Armageddon? Second Coming of Christ? The Prophecies of Nostradamus? The Second Term of George W. Bush?

Somehow "tinfoil hat" seems less "tinfoil hat" than it would have four years ago.

Let's see how big the motherf**king "Coalition of the Willing" is this time. My guess is that it will consist of Bush, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Rice, with Colin Powell and Tony Blair sitting this one out.

:tinfoilhat:
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 12:50 AM
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12. and Howard
if he wins the next election Howard will stay happily panting behind Bush's ankles and will "help" with any war George chooses.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 10:59 PM
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5. this needs to be heavily publicized
this should be a nice little wakeup call to the American people.

Your leaders are INSANE!
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 11:40 PM
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9. Bush is Nino Brown from "New Jack City"
"Am I My Brother's Keeper?"

And all of that fundamentalist, FAKE Christian, BULLSHIT Christian, "A Real Christian is INSULTED by Bush's So-Called Christianity" CRAP that he's shoved down our throats for the last four years.

There are people in the Muslim world who are RIGHT, and there are people in the Muslim world who are WRONG.

When they gave him the nickname of "Crusader Bush," they were not only RIGHT, they were PROPHETIC.
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 11:15 PM
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6. It seems to me I've heard this song before...
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 11:25 PM
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7. Our government is filled with lunatics
Anyone messing with Iran is insane. Any military action against Iran would be absolutely disasterous

Pursuing "regime change" in Iran is like holding a lit match over a can of gasoline.
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 11:34 PM
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8. Just parachute the neocons in themselves...
Their reckless BS is going to cause an even greater crackdown on the reformist movement then they have already with the Iraq FU.

The PNAC agenda is bad enough, but the trademark BFEE ineptitude just compounds our troubles. Regime change at home soon i hope.

:mad:
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JohnDoe1 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 12:25 AM
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10. Relax...
We have plans for invading almost any country on the face of the world. 99.9% of them are not implemented. They're just there in case a situation would arise. Although Bush is suicidal, he couldn't do it in Iran. Our military is already stretched way too thin.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 12:36 AM
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11. Agree JohnDoe
There's no way we will militarily invade Iran. Just no way.

On the other hand, I just don't see Israel standing by and watching Iran get nukes. Israel's too small a country to trust Iran's good intentions.

The UN so far has been a joke on this issue, so I only see one way this is going to come out.

Iran will not stop building them and Israel won't let them, so either in the open or covertly, Israel is going to try to stop Iran from putting nukes together.

That's the only way I see it working out.
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