All Things Must Pass: Beyond Plame

[robertpaulsen]

I refuse to be scared. I refuse to be silent. I know the depths to which our government is capable of sinking and I refuse to refrain from investigating these depths because the results of such an investigation would elicit derision from the Corporate Media as the work of "kooks" or conspiracy "nuts". When has the Corporate Media ever investigated a scandal that had the potential to overthrow our entire system of government without the cooperation of a government insider? Didn't happen with JFK, did happen with Watergate due to Deep Throat's consent, didn't happen with Iran/Contra. But there is hope with 9/11 and our lucky break may be the outing of Valerie Plame.

The scandal surrounding the exposure of Valerie Plame by senior White House officials as an undercover CIA operative has been thoroughly explored by the Plame threads. This exploration resulted in the conclusion summarized in my paper American Judas that Dick Cheney exposed Valerie Plame because he knew about and profited from A.Q. Khan's black market nuclear proliferation network which Valerie Plame's front organization Brewster, Jennings & Associates was investigating. This exposure has created a rift between the intelligence community and the Pentagon through which indictments over the outing of Plame could be the crack that may bring down the whole house of cards concerning covert operations, including those that helped bring the tragedy of September 11 to fruition. The key to connecting the Plame thread research to September 11 is Sibel Edmonds.

The following is a post reprinted with permission by Pallas180:

Okay, Let's focus again: Sibel Edmonds

Whether you are solving a question or writing a story, the questions
you ask are: Who, What, When, Where, Why.

The Why of Plame has brought us also to Sibel Edmonds.

In the same way we found the answers to Plame on the internet through googling and finding published responsbile sources, we should be able to find answers and secrets involving Edmonds' "forbidden information.

Except - in the Edmonds matter we know Why - we are searching for Who?, What?, and Where?

Our clues to what she may have discovered (which caused her to be fired and threatened not to talk to the media or any senators and prompted FBI Director Mueller to have DOJ Ashcroft place a gag order on her) are in Sibel Edmonds' own words are in two interviews here,

It is important to read this interview.


http://www.antiwar.com/deliso/?articleid=2917


Somewhere in the fact that Sibel Edmonds was a translator of the Iranian Farsi language and the Turkish language and the Turkic language of Azerbaijani, are our clues to Who? and What? and even Where? .

What are the answers to Who and What and Where she is referring?


Here are other Edmonds quotes,

“There are certain points... where you have your drug related activities combined with money laundering and information laundering, converging with your terrorist activities.” Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator


WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND WHO IS SHE REFERRING TO ?



"The 9/11 terror plot intersected with the activities of a drug trafficking network of international scope, in ways that form a "crystal clear" picture of what was going on.” --Sibel Edmonds.


"You have a network of people who obtain certain information and they take it out and sell it to … whomever would be the highest bidder. Then you have people who would be bringing into the country narcotics from the East, and their connections. It is only then that you really see the big picture. The post-9/11 ntelligence 'failures' included the willful quashing by the government, of investigations tracing these criminal networks.-- Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator



WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND WHO IS SHE REFERRING TO ?


“The real activities taking place behind the scenes are criminal… Everything from drugs to money laundering to arms sales. And yes, there are certain convergences (between) these activities and international terrorism." -Sibel Edmonds

“After almost three years the American people still do not know that thousands of lives can be jeopardized under the unspoken policy of ‘ protecting certain foreign business relations.” —Sibel Edmonds


WHO IS SHE REFERRING TO ?

[robertpaulsen]

1. Simply Shady: My Family Ties With Black Ops

Simply Shady: My Family Ties With Black Ops
A true story by Robert Paulsen
Adapted from an earlier article "Am I the Only One?" by the same author


My alarm clock radio turned on at 7:20 in the morning on September 11, 2001 after I had already pressed the snooze button twice. Suddenly aware of the report on the radio of a building on fire, I turned on the TV to see one of the twin towers in New York City on fire. I vainly attempted to look around the burning tower to see where the other tower was. Gradually it dawned on me that the other tower was no longer standing. After getting verbal confirmation from the broadcaster that two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center, I called my girlfriend to break the shocking news. As her phone was ringing, I watched in horror as the second tower collapsed. When she answered, all I could blurt out was, "The twin towers are gone! The twin towers are gone!"

As everyone else did, I spent the day in a state of shock. Getting in touch with relatives to share my dismay and grief consumed me that afternoon. I got in touch with one of my sisters who conveyed a sense of fright over the events that day. But the details of the story she told that frightened her were a revelation to me. I was aware of only minor details regarding her husband's previous career as a military officer. I knew that during the 1980's he had served in operations in Central America, including stints in Honduras and Panama. I also knew that he left the military because of recurring nightmares, many that my sister witnessed where she had to wake him up as he screamed, "Over there! They're in the trees! They're in the trees!"

The truth that my sister confirmed to me on September 11 is that he was a contract killer for the CIA involved in covert operations during the late 1980's. For more than ten years he had severed his ties with the intelligence community without so much as leaving a forwarding address. But at 8:15 a.m. pacific time, a note was left on his front door while he was away from a representative of his former commanding officer, trying to renew his interest in returning to his former line of work. Now, consider the timing of this incident. They had been out of touch for ten years, including the first bombing of the World Trade Center as well as the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, yet only 45 minutes after the second tower collapsed, they were knocking on his door in the belief that the services he used to specialize in would be required. To me, it seemed a little suspicious. Granted the attacks of September 11 were far more devastating to the country than the 1993 WTC bombing or the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, but at 8:15 a.m., nobody knew whether the source of this terrorism was domestic or foreign. Or did they?

By that afternoon, the media has already pinpointed Osama bin Laden as the primary suspect. Then on September 12, news from Boston that a man in the airport parking lot reported an altercation with some suspicious looking men of Middle Eastern descent compelled authorities to impound the abandoned vehicle where flight manuals were found on the front seat. In Arabic. It felt to me, to quote X in the movie JFK, "as if a cover story was being put up". Arabic flight manuals left in an airport parking lot seemed analogous to doctored photos of Oswald toting a Mannlicher Carcano left in his garage. The analogy seemed even more appropriate when, a couple days later, it was revealed that these same terrorists had attended flight training schools and perhaps had training from our own military. If this is true, what was the point of briniging Arabic flight manuals to the airport? Carelessness after a late night cramming session? But the kicker for me was the report that amidst the scene of chaos and cremation at Ground Zero, somehow the passport of one Mohammed Atta managed to float down without being incinerated and land where authorities could retrieve it. What's a conspiracy without a little magic: JFK had his "magic bullet", 9/11 had a "magic passport".

Since then, we've had so many more questions raised than have been answered that despite a Congressional and "independent" bipartisan commission investigating 9/11 we are nowhere closer to the truth than when we started. Perhaps the release of the information contained in the 27 pages of censored material from the congressional report on 9/11 would help us draw the arrows. But if Bob Graham is correct that the Bush administration, FBI and CIA blocked the congressional investigation into the involvement of the Saudi government in 9/11, then rather than wait for the release of that material, which may happen sometime after the Warren Commission censored material becomes available, we should all make an effort to investigate the claims of Sibel Edmonds into how our government aided and abetted the 9/11 conspiracy and has covered it up after the fact.

What do we know about Sibel Edmonds? We know that she has accused people in the highest levels of our government with treason. We know that before she was fired from the FBI for being a whistleblower, she saw papers that show the US knew al Qaeda would attack cities with airplanes. We know that she discovered that international terrorist activities converge with government action through "front organizations" that deal in everything from drugs to money laundering to arm sales. Fianlly, we know that John Ashcroft has had a gag order placed on Sibel Edmonds since 2002. With all the damning information she has revealed despite this gag order, imagine what she hasn't told us.

Until extensive research or future revelations bear fruit, I have only the nagging questions, various theories and the experience of my sister to go by. And what of her now ex-husband? I visited him at his home three weeks ago. Obviously, he did not follow the path of the late CIA operative Johnny Michael Spann into Afghanistan. I'm not exactly sure what the truth behind the CIA's query into his availability is. He refuses to talk about September 11. I've discovered it's very difficult extracting the truth out of a spook. You have to approach your intended subject in a roundabout manner. When I spoke with him last month, he was very happy to talk about his recent travels, including a trip to Panama. He was pretty animated talking about how wonderful the weather was and how relaxing it was. So I took a chance and asked, "Weren't you there before, during the war in 1989?" He smiled and said, "Oh, I was there in 1989, but not during the war. I was there before the war". The CIA was conducting black ops against Noriega (himself a paid CIA operative) before the war. He was beaming with pride as he said, "We basically ended that war before it even began". I tried digging for more but that was the extent of his disclosure.

Will it take another 15 years before he lets a sliver of the truth slip out about September 11? I'm willing to wait and I'll try to finesse it out of him every chance I get.

[Pallas180]

3. Robert, your familial associations certainly are not dull. :) It's also

interesting that the "commission" heard Sibel's testimony before she was
"gagged and classified" but the only matter paid attention in the commission report was that translators were not able and were not translating documents until days after receipt.

Not one word was mentioned by the commission that if the truth were known, elected officials would be jailed for treason.

[robertpaulsen]

10. Hey Pallas, here's a link on Edmonds and Riggs Bank.

Talk:Sibel Edmonds

So now we know why these fucks have stalled on mrs.Edmonds...


So, have I got this right?.....Ms. Edmonds says follow the money...Grassley and Leahy take her behind closed doors, have a listen, and promise help that never comes....but then Riggs fine hits, and connections between BushCo/BinLadens and laundering are made public once more...finally Grassley says something, but only obliquely.....

"....The Senate Finance Committee chairman, Republican Charles Grassley of Iowa, recently asked the commission investigating the September 11 attacks to examine Saudi transactions totaling tens of millions at Riggs and FleetBoston Financial Corp.

"Riggs Bank deserves every penny of this huge fine," Grassley said in a statement Thursday. "Banks have a patriotic duty, not to mention legal requirement, to report suspicious activity. When banks look the other way, they put our national security at risk. Whether it's through incompetence, negligence or greed, they are allowing terrorists to funnel their blood money through the system."

more...

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Sibel_Edmonds

[KoKo]

45. What about Bob Dole taking $8,000 a week out of his Riggs Account?

Actually the article said an "assistant" takes the money out each week because Dole doesn't like to use credit cards.

I remember Edmonds saying "high officials in our government." Someone else was caught up in the Riggs investigation with Dole and it was laughed off. The article from WSJ was posted last week. Anyone remember it...think it's worth my doing an archive search?

Could Dole be a "high official" connected in some way. $8,000 a week for a retired Senator is a bit high for his pension...and doesn't really match what he made in the Senate. Odd.. what else has he been involved in, or is he involved in. :shrug:

On Edit: Here's a snip from article in DU Archives. The other person was Frank Carlucci, btw...

---------------------

Riggs Affair Sparks 'Suspicious Activity' Alert on Dole

Thursday September 2, 11:49 PM EDT

WASHINGTON -- The Riggs National Bank scandal has led to unexpected fallout, including "suspicious activity reports" on former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole and former Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci, Friday's Wall Street Journal reported.

As often as once a week, Mr. Dole's assistant walks around the corner from his Pennsylvania Avenue office in Washington to a branch of Riggs Bank, where she withdraws as much as $8,000 in cash. For walking-around money, Mr. Dole keeps a wad of $100 bills in the breast pocket of his shirt. "I probably use a credit card four or five times a year," Mr. Dole confesses. "I don't even have a wallet."

Mr. Dole's affinity for cash was of no concern to anyone until recently, when federal regulators pawing through the books of scandal-tarred Riggs spotted the large withdrawals and called them to the attention of management. In short order, the bank filed "suspicious activity reports" on Mr. Dole and another prominent Washington figure, Mr. Carlucci, questioning whether the two men might have violated federal laws against money laundering.

The reports are the latest strange fallout from the Riggs affair, which has reverberated through Washington in unexpected ways since the bank got into trouble with regulators this year for overlooking signs of suspicious activity by Saudi diplomats and foreign despots. The scandal has provoked a minor diplomatic crisis for the State and Treasury departments as Riggs, which has long had a lock on the diplomatic market in Washington, starts to shed all of its embassy accounts to get out from under a regulatory cloud and sell itself to PNC Financial Services Group Inc. (PNC).


more
http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt.jsp?section=new...

info on Riggs
WaPo: Allbritton Loses Riggs Bank (front page, day 3)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Bank with close ties to Bush administration engulfed in scandal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Pallas180]

60. Interesting KOKO - didnt know about that - Dole and Carlucci

both banking at Riggs. Actually I'd love to know how much Carlucci
was depositing and withdrawing even more than Dole.

Dole was taking out $8000 a week? $32,000 a month, $384,000 a year ?

That's a lot of Washington lunches.... hmmm.

But how much was being deposited? And from whom was the cash being received?

Those are the questions. Certainly it's worth researching. Go for it.

[Pallas180]

130. RP - James Bath, BCCI Bank, Arbusto, Mahfouz - do you

suppose this is why dubya had James Bath's named scratched off his
National Guard records...afraid people would put two and two together?

http://www.deprogram.info/page6.html


Tax documents and other financial records show that Bath, an aircraft broker with controversial ties to Saudi Arabia sheiks, had invested $50,000 in Arbusto, granting him a 5 percent interest in two limited partnerships controlled by Dubya.

Time magazine described Bath in 1991 as "a deal broker whose alleged associations run from the CIA to a major shareholder and director of the Bank of Credit & Commerce." BCCI, as it was more commonly known, closed its doors in July 1991 amid charges of multibillion-dollar fraud and global news reports that the financial institution had been heavily involved in drug money laundering, arms brokering, covert intelligence work, bribery of government officials and—here's the kicker—aid to terrorists.

Bath was never directly implicated in the BCCI scandal, but according to The Outlaw Bank, an award-winning 1993 book by Time correspondents, Jonathan Beaty and S.C. Gwynne, Bath originally "made his fortune by investing money for Mahfouz and another BCCI-connected Saudi, Sheikh bin Laden,"

[robertpaulsen]

136. Dimson is both conniving and clumsy.

Sure the trail leads to BCCI. The question is why would dimson forget to delete the Bath reference until after Michael Moore called him a deserter?

Dimson is the GATE. Greatest American Traitor Ever. Well, perhaps a tie with his co-prez Vader.

[Zan_of_Texas]

51. Hey gang

I've just started reading the thread. Nodding off due to the time, not the subject matter!

Will check in tomorrow.

[peacetalksforall]

2. I don't mean to be flip - but what pops into my head is that the WTC

played an essential part in the laudering...drugs and gold in the depths of the builing? money laundering on higher floors?...cobined with evidence we're observing that this admin is not stepping up protections at ports and borders, purposely.

They are cocky aren't they? If true.

[Karenina]

5. IIRC, some very important

paper trails went up in smoke with WTC7...

[robertpaulsen]

6. Not flip at all. Your insight raises some interesting questions.

Who were some of the major corporations, private and government businesses operating out of WTC?

Was the intelligence community using the WTC in any manner?

Were there agents that died that day? Besides O'Neill?

And what about O'Neill? Was he really transferred there on his own request? Is the paperwork on that request classified?



Well, those were the questions your post raised with me. Perhaps they raised other questions with other people. And maybe we can find some answers here.

[robertpaulsen]

8. Here's an interesting link regarding O'Neill.

World Trade Center Wired for Internal Explosives?

by Sherman H. Skolnick

www.skolnicksreport.com

10/20/3

snip

2. The youngest son of George Herbert Walker Bush, namely Marvin Bush, is seldom mentioned in the monopoly press. Yet, there are detailed articles available in search engines that Marvin was the director of a casualty insurance company with coverage of the World Trade Center, and that the coverage was stopped sometime before 9-11. Also Marvin Bush was a director of a firm that was involved with the security of the World Trade Center.






http://www.themedianews.com/DAGGER/Front%20Page/skolnick.htm

Hmmm...that old X question revisited: who benefited from the WTC crash?

[robertpaulsen]

9. Here's a more comprehensive link. Thanks to UdoKier.

Here's the O'Neill link:

http://www.rememberjohn.com/

And here's the link to UdoKier's thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2330621#2331431

[robertpaulsen]

11. Here's buzzflash's take on O'Neill and Marvin Bush

The Great Whitewash: The 9/11 Commission and the Avoidance of the Truth

A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION
by "Anonymous Patriot" thanks to The Patriot Act

snip

"Marvin P. Bush, the president's younger brother, was a principle in a company called Securacom, which provided security for the World Trade Center (as well as United Airlines)"…

The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm. According to its CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down." These revelations are additionally suspicious to skeptics of the official account of 9/11:

"…when this news is combined with testimony from WTC personnel that after the security detail had worked 12-hour shifts for the previous two weeks because of threats, five days before 9/11 the security alert, which had mandated the use of bomb sniffing dogs was lifted"

Another curious and related matter gleaned from Mr. Griffin's book that we learn is…

"On August 22, 2001, John O'Neill, a counter-terrorism expert who was said to be the US government's "most committed tracker of Osama bin Ladin and his al-Qaeda network of terrorists," resigned from the FBI, citing repeated obstruction of his investigations into al-Qaeda. The previous month, O'Neill who held one of the top positions in the FBI, had reportedly complained of obstruction by the White House, saying that the main obstacles to investigating al-Qaeda were "US oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia."

more...

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/05/con04230.html

[Pallas180]

63. "Marvin Bush,..provided security of W T C & United Airlines"

now wasn't that handy. ....another couple of possible loose ends covered by the "Pearl Harbor" boyz.


"Marvin P. Bush, the president's younger brother, was a principle in a company called Securacom, which provided security for the World Trade Center (as well as United Airlines)"…


"On August 22, 2001, John O'Neill, a counter-terrorism expert who was said to be the US government's "most committed tracker of Osama bin Ladin and his al-Qaeda network of terrorists," resigned from the FBI, citing repeated obstruction of his investigations into al-Qaeda. The previous month, O'Neill who held one of the top positions in the FBI, had reportedly complained of obstruction by the White House, saying that the main obstacles to investigating al-Qaeda were "US oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia."

MIHOP. There is just no question that it was MIHOP when you put all these pieces together:

1) PNAC pronouncements and history of US govt. planning attacks
on its own land to anger the American Public enough to support a war
wanted by the "government"/

2) Failure of Bush administration to pay attention to Al Queda threats, and known infiltration into America of Saudi cells -
plus demotion of any agent, official who continued to attempt to have the administration act against Al Queda and the Saudis.

3)"Coincidental" Military "exercises"of 28/38 hijackings planned for 9/11 (and Fema setup in NYC on Septmeber 10 for readiness) which acted to confuse whether the attack was real or part of the exercise.

4) Marvin Bush cancels WTC insurance by his company just prior to 9/11, his security company is the one hired to protect the building, and stands down about 5 days prior to attack, as well as Marvin Bush's company provided security for United Airlines.

5)Neither "7 Minute Bush", Rumsfeld, or Cheney gave immediate and proper orders for US forces to interfere with the hijackings and scramble fighters to stop the attacks.

6) The "orders" had to come from the President of the United States.
Cheney was the only one in the White House and he did not contact the
"President" of the United States and tell him what was occurring, nor did he contact the Secretary of Defense to order military intervention, but Cheney himself ran the operation and refused to order interference of the plane attacking the Pentagon even when it was within 10 miles of the Pentagon.

7) The oft stated goal of the cabal that has taken over the United States since 1988 and possibly since 1980, (FEMA and Patriot structure
written during Reagan/Bush term) has been to attack Iraq. Iraq and Afghanistan are geopolitical keys to access to the massive Caspian Sea oil and transportation of it out of the Middle East by American and British Oil companies. These companies in association with Dick Cheney, James Baker III, Henry Kissinger,Zbigniew Brzezinski, Richard Perle,various Bush family associates and a consortium including the Bin Laden group and the Saudi group as well as chief executives of certain oil companies benefit from the occupation of Afghanistan on one side of Iran and the occupation of Iraq on the other side of Iran which now gives them
access to the Persian Gulf and the ability to close off Iran's access to the Gulf.

8) With the "intervention and liberation " conquering of Afghanistan and Iraq, oil and gas pipelines for American and British companies which had to run through Iraq and Afghanistan that had been stalled by the Afghanis and Saddamm now have been completed.

9) New drilling and pipelines will also run east and west and south from the Caspian massive oil pool.

10) Former officials, world bankers, and oil men consistently have made secret comments which have become public concerning the necessity and timing of an attack on the United States which would make the average American citizen more malleable.

If you now don't know that the attack on the World Trade Center and the death of 3000 Americans sitting at their desks for their days' work was not a foreign attack but an attack on our country by its own current government,then you must be certain that one bullet killed John F. Kennedy, that there was not a rigged election in 2000, and that we were attacked by Saddam Hussein and Iraq and not Osama bin Laden, partner of Carlyle and George H.W. Bush, Henry Kissinger, and
the Saudi Kingdom.





The Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center was inaugurated by His Excellency Heydar Aliyev, President, Republic of Azerbaijan on September 11, 2000.
US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce
1212 Potomac Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20007

Officers
Honorary Council of Advisors

James Addison Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Richard Bruce Dick Cheney (resigned November 2000)

Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu
Chairman Emeritus

T. Don Stacy
Co-Chairman of the Board

Tim Cejka
Reza Vaziri
Vice-Chairman of the Board

James A. Baker IV
Board of Directors

Richard Armitage (resigned February 2001)

Farhad Azima
Betty Blair
Howard Chase
Don Condon
Stanley Escudero
Nader Fahm
Andrew Fawthrop
Mike Kostiw
David Sambrooks
Gregory K. Williams
Board of Trustees

Abdullah Akyuz
Ilham Aliyev
Graham Allison
Sam Brownback
Frank Henke
Richard Moncrief
Hafiz Pashayev
Richard N. Perle
Joseph R. Pitts
John Roberts
Stephen Robertson
Nancy Tuomey
Frank Verrastro
Officers

Theodore Ted Jonas, Legal Counsel & Secretary

Karl Mattison, Treasurer

Seymour Khalilov, Executive Director

External Links

Announcing The US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce, Azerbaijan International, Spring 1996. "The Chamber extends deep appreciation to the following companies which have contributed to its establishment: Amoco, BP America, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil, Occidental, Panalpina, and Unocal."
Caspian Watch # 5: Senator Byrd Takes the Lead in Securing U.S. Access To 200 Billion Barrels of Oil in the Caspian Sea, Center for Security Policy, February 1997. "This conference, sponsored by the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (USACC), involved some 300 participants, including in addition to Senator Robert Byrd: former Secretary of Defense Richard Bruce Dick Cheney, former Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard N. Perle, former Deputy Energy Secretary William White, U.S. Ambassador to Azerbaijan Richard Kauzlarich, Azerbaijan's Ambassador to the U.S. Hafiz Pashayev and the former U.S. mediator on the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict Ambassador John
Maresca."

The following illustrates the associations of some of the above listed names:

United States-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce

HONORARY COUNCIL OF ADVISORS

The USACC Honorary Council of Advisors is comprised of individuals of high distinction. Council members serve in advisory capacity.

James Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Dick Cheney
(Resigned in November, 2000)
Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu

CHAIRMAN EMERITUS
T. Don Stacy

CO-CHAIRMEN OF THE BOARD
Tim Cejka
Executive Vice President, ExxonMobil Exploration Co.
Reza Vaziri
President, R.V. Investment Group

VICE-CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD
James A. Baker, IV
Partner, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Ambassador Richard Armitage
President, Armitage Associates
(Resigned in February, 2001)

Farhad Azima
Chairman & CEO, Aviation Leasing Group

Betty Blair
Editor, Azerbaijan International

Howard Chase
Director, International Affairs, BP

Don Condon
President & General Manager, Conoco

Stanley Escudero
Consultant, Moncrief Oil International

Nader Fahm
President, Alfacom

Andrew Fawthrop
Vice President, Unocal International Energy Ventures

Mike Kostiw
General Manager, International Government Relations, ChevronTexaco

David Sambrooks
Vice President & General Manager, Devon Energy

Gregory K. Williams
Strategic Security Manager, Coca Cola


BOARD OF TRUSTEES

Abdullah Akyuz
President, TUSIAD-US Inc.

Ilham Aliyev
First Vice President, SOCAR

Graham Allison
Director, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs
Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University

Sam Brownback (R-KS)
US Senator

Frank Henke
Chairman, American Bank & Trust Company

Richard Moncrief
Chairman, Moncrief Oil International

Hafiz Pashayev
Ambassador of Azerbaijan in the U.S.

Richard Perle
American Enterprize Institute, former Assistant Secretary of Defense

Joseph R. Pitts (R-PA)
US Congressman

John Roberts
Senior Advisor, American International Group

Stephen Robertson
President, Bertling Logistics

Nancy Tuomey
Vice President, First Union Bank

Frank Verrastro
Senior Policy Advisor, Vinson & Elkins


OFFICERS

Legal Counsel & Secretary
Ted Jonas - Counsel, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

Treasurer
Karl Mattison - V.P. Riggs Bank, N.A.

Executive Director
Seymour Khalilov

http://www.usacc.org/chamber/prof-officers.htm

[robertpaulsen]

74. Pallas, I have a feeling your paper will bring the house of cards down!

If we can get the right people to read it!

Hey, you know what? I'm having trouble accessing the original Independent article where Sibel Edmonds says she saw papers that show US knew al Qaeda would attack cities with airplanes. That would help buttress your second point and prove to anyone with an IQ over 50 that at the least it was definitely LIHOP. But I do have the common dreams link:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0402-01.htm

Hope that works for anyone who has never read this smoking gun article. I'm still trying to convince my Dad of US complicity, but since he's voted Republican since Goldwater in '64, its been hard enough just getting him NOT to vote for dimson. Oh well, gotta keep trying.

[Pallas180]

78. Robert, I think the "right people " may very well be open to being brave

and going public with what we research - especially now that they are
beginning to make public dimson's lies from the beginning.

If we can help send them to jail or at least impeachment, we'll have done
a very patriotic thing.

[Zan_of_Texas]

54. O'Neill was disgusted and frustrated that

his bosses wouldn't get as excited about Osama as he was. He was the chief Osama expert.

He quit the FBI, just a few weeks before 9-11.

I can't remember who got O'Neill the job as director of security at the WTC, but it was somebody interesting.

Probably available in Paul Thompson's new book, The Terror Timeline, or at the meticulous 9-11 chronology he did online. Last time I looked the link was http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

[Pallas180]

61. whoaaa. Lehrer just broadcast that Cheney lied about having

talked to the president on 9-11, when he called Norad? and told them
to shoot down the planes by order of the President - Bolton was standing there, and after Cheney told this lie to Norad (sic) he said.
"maybe you'd better call the President".

Further proof Cheney considered himself President.

the program further confirms that no one was in charge and advising
armed forces what was going on and what to do.

Not one of the three responsible and authorized to give orders to the Air force, Military, or anyone who could do something about the hijacked planes acted...not Bush, not Rumsfeld, not Cheney (until an hour or more too late in the mater of Cheney)

[Zan_of_Texas]

62. I'll bet you were watching NOW with Bill Moyers, not Lehrer

Cause I saw the same thing.

[Pallas180]

64. Of course Zan, thanks for filling in my blanks :)

[kohodog]

4. RP, your insight is terrific, as always.

I've been overly consumed with work and family, but will try to help google or nexus a little info.

Saudi Arabia is poking up again in the mainstream thanks to Grahm.

[robertpaulsen]

7. Thanks kohodog! Anyone get Graham's new book yet?

I'm certainly hoping it will shed a lot more light on Saudi Arabia's complicity in this. Wonder if any connection between Bandar Bush and 9/11 is forthcoming.

[Disturbed]

12. B. Graham

Another piece of the puzzle is being placed by his charges. Has anyone challenged his assertions? It seems to me that he wouldn't have documented and issued these charges without proof. It is mindboggling that this is just treated like a minor situation. The real question in my view is how can the Neo Fascists not be charged when the evidence is available of their crimes?

[robertpaulsen]

14. Not a peep out of Darth and dimson.

I'm sure Bandar Bush is having an apopleptic fit, too. But they're hoping if they keep their mouths shut, the media will avert their attention. At this point in the game, it's better to have the negative attention on his National Guard service than on anything as explosive as 9/11.

[mmonk]

20. I'm reading it now

Hope to have it finished by tomorrow. It has alot of twists and turns.

[robertpaulsen]

23. Fantastic mmonk!

I haven't read a review from a DUer yet, so I'll be looking forward to your perspective. I'm going to try to pick it up tomorrow.

[robertpaulsen]

13. Great link on Brewster Jennings and Caspian Sea oil pipeline

Not only was Plame's cover blown, so was that of her cover company, Brewster, Jennings & Associates. With the public exposure of Plame, intelligence agencies all over the world started searching data bases for any references to her (TIME Magazine). Damage control was immediate, as the CIA asserted that her mission had been connected to weapons of mass destruction.

However, it was not long before stories from the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal tied Brewster, Jennings & Associates to energy, oil and the Saudi-owned Arabian American Oil Company, or ARAMCO. Brewster Jennings had been a founder of Mobil Oil company, one of Aramco's principal founders.

According to additional sources interviewed by Wayne Madsen, Brewster Jennings was, in fact, a well-established CIA proprietary company, linked for many years to ARAMCO. The demise of Brewster Jennings was also guaranteed the moment Plame was outed.

snip

It is interesting to note that an oil pipeline is being constructed in Afghanistan by a U.S. company, to transport oil from Turkmenistan, with plans to take military action against the Taliban in Afghanistan by mid October of 2001, announced in July of 2001. The rationale for this was presented in a Congressional report to House Committee On International Relations, Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific, on February 12, 1998.

The Caspian region contains tremendous untapped hydrocarbon reserves, much of them located in the Caspian Sea basin itself. Proven natural gas reserves within Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan equal more than 236 trillion cubic feet.

http://degrees.typepad.com/words/2004/06/waking_life.html

There's a lot more on ARAMCO on this link and their BCCI ties.

[robertpaulsen]

15. From that link, a great timeline!

A TIMELINE OF OIL AND VIOLENCE

AFGHANISTAN

http://www.ringnebula.com/Oil/Timeline.htm

[robertpaulsen]

16. A great article on our history with ARAMCO

The Geopolitics of War
by Michael T. Klare


There are many ways to view the conflict between the United States and Osama bin Laden's terror network: as a contest between Western liberalism and Eastern fanaticism, as suggested by many pundits in the United States; as a struggle between the defenders and the enemies of authentic Islam, as suggested by many in the Muslim world; and as a predictable backlash against American villainy abroad, as suggested by some on the left. But while useful in assessing some dimensions of the conflict, these cultural and political analyses obscure a fundamental reality: that this war, like most of the wars that preceded it, is firmly rooted in geopolitical competition.

snip

To be more specific, Feis and his associates concluded that the world's most prolific supply of untapped oil was to be found in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. But how to get at this oil? At first, the State Department proposed the formation of a government-owned oil firm to acquire concessions in Saudi Arabia and extract the kingdom's reserves. This plan was considered too unwieldy, however, and instead US officials turned this task over to the Arabian American Oil Company (ARAMCO), an alliance of major US oil corporations. But these officials were also worried about the kingdom's long-term stability, so they concluded that the United States would have to assume responsibility for the defense of Saudi Arabia. In one of the most extraordinary occurrences in modern American history, President Roosevelt met with King Abd al-Aziz Ibn Saud, the founder of the modern Saudi regime, on a US warship in the Suez Canal following the February 1945 conference in Yalta. Although details of the meeting have never been made public, it is widely believed that Roosevelt gave the King a promise of US protection in return for privileged American access to Saudi oil--an arrangement that remains in full effect today and constitutes the essential core of the US-Saudi relationship.

This relationship has provided enormous benefits to both sides. The United States has enjoyed preferred access to Saudi petroleum reserves, obtaining about one-sixth of its crude-oil imports from the kingdom. ARAMCO and its US partners have reaped immense profits from their operations in Saudi Arabia and from the distribution of Saudi oil worldwide. (Although ARAMCO's Saudi holdings were nationalized by the Saudi government in 1976, the company continues to manage Saudi oil production and to market its petroleum products abroad.) Saudi Arabia also buys about $6-10 billion worth of goods per year from US companies. The Saudi royal family, for its part, has become immensely wealthy and, because of continued US protection, has remained safe from external and internal attack.

more...

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20011105&s=klare

[Pallas180]

25. this secret story about FDR meeting with Ibn Saud after Yalta makes sense

and I'll tell you why.

In another thread a couple of weeks ago, I related the history of the
American corporations who were trading with and financially supporting Nazi Germany. Roosevelt needed the same materials for WW2
that these companies were supplying to Germany. When he threatened to
prosecute the Americans for trading with the enemy - he was told "go ahead, we'll cut off your oil",

A very good reason for Roosevelt to have a meeting with the Saudi king so that the American companies could never blackmail him again.

It was FDR's intention to prosecute them after the war, but he didn't live long enough to do so.

One who was prosecuted during the war, was and is a best friend of the
Bush family, the Farish Family of Standard Oil, one of whom has currently been named as Ambassador to England. After the war Truman prosecuted.Farish Senior committed suicide, his son who was in the airforce when it was discovered his father was supporting the Nazis had an airplane crash, and the current Ambassador Farish was aobut 4 years old at the time and inherited the wealth. (John D. Rockefeller had "plausible deniability" by stating the day to day business of Standard Oil was run by Farish.)

Farish, with others, founded Humble Oil in March 1917; it was eventually absorbed by Standard Oil/Exxon. In 1933 he became chairman of the board of Standard's New Jersey division, and in 1937 became Standard's general president.

Sometime in the 1930s, Standard Oil and IG Farben had come to an agreement that Standard would not compete in rubber in Germany whilst IG Farben would neglect oil in the United States. Certain valuable patents, such as that for making a gasoline or kerosene equivalent from coal, were shared. This arrangement became something of a legal and public-relations problem when Standard and Farben found themselves on opposite sides of World War II shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

In February 1942, Ass't Att'y Gen'l Thurman Arnold, Navy Sec'y Franklin Knox, and Army Sec'y Henry Stimson confronted Farish with the charge that, by continuing to favor Hitler in rubber deal and patent arrangements, Standard Oil had acted against US interests.

They suggested a M$1.5 fine, which Farish rejected out of hand, essentially promising to turn off the US' oil supply. (during wartime) Arnold, Stimson, and Knox soon realized they had no power to compare with that of Standard and settled for a ‘no contest’ plea, which avoided a public trial, and a trivial fine of a few grand. Farish paid $1000, a quarter of one week's salary.

But the gov't wasn't finished yet. Arnold and Interior Sec'y Harold Ickes convinced Harry Truman to bring SO before his Senate Special Committee Investigating the National Defense Program. Truman relished rousting out these ‘traitors’…

SO executive. Sold oil and patents to the Luftwaffe during WW2 while his son of the same name was in the US Air Force. Exposure of the scandal probably left the grandson of the same name with the family fortune prematurely.

It is claimed the Auschwitz concentration camp was established as forced labour for the Standard-Farben plant nearby. If so, that would make Farish somewhat complicit in those crimes.


____
Ambassador to England William Stamps III , Bush 1, & Himmler


William Stamps (Will) Farish III

When George Bush was elected vice president in 1980, Texas mystery man
William Stamps Farish III took over management of all of George Bush's
personal wealth in a "blind trust." Known as one of the richest men in
Texas, Will Farish keeps his business affairs under the most intense
secrecy. Only the source of his immense wealth is known, not its
employment. Note #3 Will Farish has long been Bush's closest friend and confidante.

President Bush can count on Farish not to betray the violent secrets surrounding the Bush family money. For Farish's own family fortune was made in the same Hitler project, in a nightmarish partnership with George Bush's father.

On March 25, 1942, U.S. Assistant Attorney General Thurman Arnold
announced that William Stamps Farish (grandfather of the President's
money manager) had pleaded "no contest" to charges of criminal
conspiracy with the Nazis. Farish was the principal manager of a
worldwide cartel between Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey and the I.G.
Farben concern. The merged enterprise had opened the Auschwitz slave
labor camp on June 14, 1940, to produce artificial rubber and gasoline from coal. The Hitler government supplied political opponents and Jews as the slaves, who were worked to near death and then murdered.

Arnold disclosed that Standard Oil of New Jersey (later known as Exxon), of which Farish was president and chief executive, had agreed to stop hiding from the United States patents for artificial rubber which the company had provided to the Nazis. Note #4

A Senate investigating committee under Senator (later U.S. President)
Harry Truman of Missouri had called Arnold to testify at hearings on
corporations' collaboration with the Nazis. The Senators expressed
outrage at the cynical way Farish was continuing an alliance with the
Hitler regime that had begun back in 1933, when Farish became chief of Jersey Standard. Didn't he know there was a war on?

The Justice Department laid before the committee a letter, written to
Standard president Farish by his vice president, shortly after the
beginning of World War II (September 1, 1939) in Europe. The letter
concerned a renewal of their earlier agreements with the Nazis:
The Bush-Farish axis had begun back in 1929. In that year, the
Harriman bank bought Dresser Industries, supplier of oil-pipeline
couplers to Standard and other companies. Prescott Bush became a
director and financial czar of Dresser, installing his Yale classmate
Neil Mallon as chairman. Note #7 George Bush would later name one of
his sons after the Dresser executive.

William S. Farish was the main organizer of the Humble Oil Co. of
Texas, which Farish merged into the Standard Oil Company of New
Jersey. Farish built up the Humble-Standard empire of pipelines and
refineries in Texas.Note #8

In 1933, as what Hitler called his "New Order" appeared, John D.
Rockefeller, Jr. appointed William S. Farish the chairman of Standard
Oil Co. of New Jersey (in 1937 he was made president and chief
executive). Farish moved his offices to Rockefeller Center, New York,
where he spent a good deal of time with Hermann Schmitz, chairman of
I.G. Farben; his company paid a publicity man, Ivy Lee, to write
pro-I.G. Farben and pro-Nazi propaganda and get it into the U.S. press.

Now that he was outside of Texas, Farish found himself in the shipping business-like the Bush family. He hired Nazi German crews for Standard Oil tankers. And he hired "Emil Helfferich," chairman of the Walker/Bush/Harriman Hamburg-Amerika Line, as chairman also of the Standard Oil Company subsidiary in Germany. Karl Lindemann, board
member of Hamburg-Amerika, also became a top Farish-Standard executive in Germany. Note #1 Note #4

This interlock between their Nazi German operations put Farish
together with Prescott Bush in a small, select group of men operating
from abroad through Hitler's "revolution," and calculating that they
would never be punished. In 1939, Farish's daughter Martha married Averell Harriman's nephew, Edward Harriman Gerry, and Farish in-laws became Prescott Bush's partners at 59 Broadway. Note #1 Note #5

Both Emil Helfferich and Karl Lindemann were authorized to write
checks to Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Nazi SS, on a special Standard Oil account. This account was managed by the German-British-American banker, Kurt von Schroeder. According to U.S. intelligence documents reviewed by author Anthony Sutton, Helfferich continued his payments to the SS into 1944, when the SS was supervising the mass murder at the Standard-I.G. Farben Auschwitz and other death camps.

Helfferich told Allied interrogators after the war that these were not his personal contributions-they were corporate Standard Oil funds. Note #1 Note #6

After pleading "no contest" to charges of criminal conspiracy with
the Nazis, William Stamps Farish was fined $5,000. (Similar fines were levied against Standard Oil -- $5,000 each for the parent company and for several subsidiaries.) This of course did not interfere with the millions of dollars that Farish had acquired in conjunction with Hitler's New Order, as a large stockholder, chairman, and president of Standard Oil. All the government sought was the use of patents which his company had given to the Nazis-the Auschwitz patents-but had withheld from the U.S. military and industry.

But a war was on, and if young men were to be asked to die fighting
Hitler.. something more was needed. Farish was hauled before the Senate committee investigating the national defense program. The committee chairman, Senator Harry Truman, told newsmen before Farish testified: "I think this approaches treason." Note #1 Note #7

Farish began breaking apart at these hearings. He shouted his
"indignation" at the senators, and claimed he was not "disloyal."
After the March-April hearings ended, more dirt came gushing out of
the Justice Department and the Congress on Farish and Standard Oil.
Farish had deceived the U.S. Navy to prevent the Navy from acquiring
certain patents, while supplying them to the Nazi war machine;
meanwhile, he was supplying gasoline and tetraethyl lead to Germany's
submarines and air force.

Communications between Standard and I.G. Farben from the outbreak of
World War II were released to the Senate, showing that Farish's
organization had arranged to deceive the U.S. government into passing over Nazi-owned assets: They would nominally buy I.G.'s share in certain patents because "in the event of war between ourselves and Germany ... it would certainly be very undesirable to have this 20 percent Standard-I.G. pass to an alien property custodian of the U.S. who might sell it to an unfriendly interest." Note #1 Note #8

John D. Rockefeller, Jr. (father of David, Nelson, and John D.
Rockefeller III), the controlling owner of Standard Oil, told the Roosevelt administration that he knew nothing of the day-to-day affairs of his company, that all these matters were handled by Farish and other executives. Note #1 Note #9

In August, Farish was brought back for more testimony. He was now
frequently accused of lying. Farish was crushed under the intense,
public grilling; he became morose, ashen. While Prescott Bush escaped
publicity when the government seized his Nazi banking organization in
October, Farish had been nailed. He collapsed and died of a heart
attack on November 29, 1942.


The Farish family was devastated by the exposure. Son William Stamps
Farish, Jr., a lieutenant in the Army Air Force, was humiliated by the
public knowledge that his father was fueling the enemy's aircraft; he
died in a training accident in Texas six months later. Note #2 Note #0
With this double death, the fortune comprising much of Standard Oil's
profits from Texas and Nazi Germany was now to be settled upon the
little four-year-old grandson, William ("Will") Stamps Farish III.
Will Farish grew up a recluse, the most secretive multimillionaire in
Texas, with investments of "that money" in a multitude of foreign
countries, and a host of exotic contacts overlapping the intelligence
and financial worlds-The Bush-Farish axis started George Bush's
career. After his 1948 graduation from Yale (and the Skull and Bones secret society), George Bush flew down to Texas on a corporate jet
and was employed by his father's Dresser Industries. In a couple of years
he got help from his uncle, George Walker, Jr., and Farish's banker
friends, to set him up in the oil property speculation business. Soon
thereafter, George Bush founded the Zapata Oil Company, which put oil
drilling rigs into certain locations of great strategic interest.
Twenty-five-year-old Will Farish was personal aide to Zapata chairman
George Bush in Bush's unsuccessful 1964 campaign for Senate. Farish
used "that Auschwitz money" to back George Bush financially, investing in Zapata. When Bush was elected to Congress in 1966, Farish joined the Zapata Note #2 Note #1

When George Bush became U.S. vice president in 1980, the Farish and
Bush family fortunes were again completely, secretly commingled. As
we shall see, the old projects were now being revived on a breathtaking scale."

See also:
http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/bush_video.htm http://www.keeneland.com/library/milestones.html
"1997 Former President George Bush attended the races as the guest of
W.S. Farish"
http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/papers/1991/91122702.html
"Remarks to the Bee County Community, Beeville, Texas" Note: The
President (George Herbert Walker Bush) spoke at 5:54 p.m. in the Bee
County Rodeo Arena.
December 27, 1991 "And, of course, a special guest that my friend, Will Farish,is entertaining for the weekend and who is entertaining us"


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2248507#2249015

[robertpaulsen]

30. Thanks Pallas! Great post as usual.

FDR meeting at Yalta is definitely important to remember in the context of our co-dependent relationship with Saudi Arabia. I read an article on it last year that I found really illuminating, I'll try to find it.


For anyone not familiar with prior Edmonds research, here's a link to shraby's thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2238307

[wiggs]

17. Here's what I don't get

Sibel gave this "secret" information to Senator Grassley and to the 9/11 Commission before she was hushed up. The Commissioners heard it and probably the commission staff did too. According to Grassley Edmonds is credible.

If the information is what it sounds like -- first order of magnitude revelations -- then there are many people besides Sibel who know it and are keeping quiet. If the information is that important, WHY HASN'T SOMEONE (Sibel, Grassley, Kean, others) SPILLED THE BEANS anonymously, or through a media buffer, even at risk of violating a gag order?

One of four reasons must be the answer:

1) The information is NOT enough of a big deal, is not important, or is not verifiable to risk going to jail for (I doubt this is the case; Sibel and Grassley are doggedly pursuing issue at no personal gain and the hints we've been given sound earthshaking)

2) The information IS a big deal and everyone having secret information is too scared to violate Ashcroft's gag order (doubt it. The whistleblower would be too much of a hero and public would not allow punishment)

3) The information IS a big deal and everyone who has the secret information agrees that it would do great damage to our country if revealed (I can see this one)

4) The information IS a big deal and those who have the information and the power have made a deal with the administration. A pound of flesh has been extracted. (I can see this one being true also).

I am glad someone is starting a resolution process thread on this. Sibel has been key for a long time and it is an outrage that her information was not included in the 9/11 Commission report. Why?

Why did the judge that was hearing Sibel's challenge of the gag order put off making a decision indefinitely?

Something is going on that many people know about but are not talking. A well informed public is the basis of democracy (Lincoln). We need to know about Sibel's claims before the election.

[mmonk]

18. Hire an investigator

[Pallas180]

27. mmonk - we are the investigators here. If you follow our threads

you know we've done damn well!

:)

[mmonk]

68. Quite well

[robertpaulsen]

22. Great post wiggs!

The four scenarios you list are certainly possible, although like you I tend to think that it would be the latter two that are more likely.

I'm trying to remember the name of the judge who postponed the challenge to the gag order indefinitely. I seem to recall he was either a Reagan or Bush appointee.

Why is her info not in the 9/11 Report? She asked the same question. I'm sure you've read it, but just in case you or anyone else has not, here it is:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0802-06.htm

[KoKo]

48. But....is Grassley trustworthy? I don't trust him...and isn't Leahy the

other Senator she talked with? I got the feeling from one of her interviews that she was disappointed with both of them. They promised to help her, but she felt there was alot of "foot dragging."

The other question is: How do we really know Edmonds is what she says she is? I believe her, but how do we know (given what craziness has gone on with Chalabi and Gorbhanifar) that we can take anyone at "face value" as sincere as they might seem?

She only worked for three months in the FBI investigation. How can we be sure she saw what she says she saw. Why would she have been given information with names that were so sensitive. Bank names and "high Government Officials names" didn't need to be translated. Why wouldn't names have been scrubbed from the reports she read?

I want to believe her, but I'm being a "devils advocate" wondering if it's not worth exploring why Edmons has been allowed to tell her story so often, while others have been silenced or trashed?

BTW: I want to believe her because what she says just seems to fit the BFEE.
:shrug:

[mmonk]

19. And don't forget

Sen. Graham said he would even testify to Saudi involvement and he claims a bush coverup.

[Disturbed]

21. It's about Natural Gas, as well.

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

I am still flabergasted that B. Graham is still alive. With the Neo Fascists in control of Congress, Justice Dept. and most of the Mass Media this charge will probably not be brought forth to any indictement or Impeachment. If J. Kerry gets elected and the Dems can get a majoirty in the Senate or the House, this issue might surface again and some may be indicted for their crimes. Seems that B. Graham knows even more than he has stated verbally or in his book. In my view, this is as huge as the V. Plame outing!

[robertpaulsen]

24. I agree completely.

Natural gas definitely plays a role. And I'm sure ARAMCO and Unocal would be likely suspects to look into.

Graham, Edmonds and Plame should all hire bodyguards. Yes, these are huge scandals that may bring a Constitutional crisis that Dean says is Worse than Watergate. Sounds melodramatic but our research on these matters may be more important than we know.

[Pallas180]

26. I think two things happened to Graham. 1) Just before his

run for the Presidency he had a quadruple (?) bypass.

It is said that that changes you. After all, you've almost lost your life, and this is a second chance, or life on borrowed time.

2) He's retiring from the Senate.

The two may add up to a look back at his life in the Senate , the dirt
of the politics, and his decision to come clean about as much of it as
he can without putting himself in a position to be charged with revealing classified secrets.

[Disturbed]

28. Some people...

actually care about America. It sure seems that B. Graham is one of those. The fact that he is comning forth is extraordinary in my view. Not too many American politicians retain a conscience after a few years in the snake pit.

btw, Robert, not melodramtic at all. These investigations are vital to me and I appreciate you and all the others on DU who also care about this country.

[shraby]

31. The neocons are really busy right now

playing cya. There are probably a few moles in the FBI too because of the information that didn't get sent up the ladder. The memos about Massoui (sp?) landed on the desk of a guy named David (don't know last name) and didn't move from there. It must be FBI who are trusted who are investigating the neocons for treason.

Kick this thread. :kick: :kick: :kick:

Pallas you want to kick it too? Don't know why but mine never seem to work..maybe I'm doing something wrong?

[Pallas180]

36. Hi Shraby. My kicking will be limited cause Ivan appears about to

kick me into evacuating. un-happy face.

[robertpaulsen]

37. Looks like you're kicking just fine shraby!

I'll be here for another 10 minutes. Check out my Mike Ruppert posts. Have you seen 'em before? His new book sounds earth-shattering!

:kick:
:kick:
:kick:

[robertpaulsen]

40. Kick and good night!

:kick:

[Zan_of_Texas]

55. I heard Sen. Bob Graham on Randi's show

recently say he was happy with Goss' appointment to head up the CIA.

I agreed with the tone of some of his other statements, but that one stuck in my craw.

[Pallas180]

58. Yep ZAN, I wouldn't count Goss as a good guy, why would Graham?

[robertpaulsen]

29. Here's Mike Ruppert on Cheney, Peak Oil, 9/11 and Plame

Michael Ruppert also named Richard Cheney as the prime suspect in the mass murders of 9/11 and that his book establishes that, not only was he a planner in the attacks, but also that on the day of the attacks he was running a completely separate command, control and communications system which was superceding any orders being issued by the NMCC, or the White House Situation Room.

Will Cheney be indicted? The 9/11 Commission Report was not the end of the 9/11 story. With it's lies, misrepresentations and changing of evidence, so much so, it has provided fuel so that we may say, the 9/11 story has just begun.

This is upon the backdrop of the Patrick Fitzgerald investigation into the Valerie Plame / Brewster, Jennings White House leak to the media and perhaps other high crimes by neo-con officials of the Bush administration.

Fitzgerald continues to expand his case against the leakers of Plame's identity and two more supeona's have been issued. He may have got more than he bargained for.

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/about1583.html

Check out everything on the link. This is rich.

[robertpaulsen]

32. Here's an excerpt from Ruppert's speech in SF - same source

excerpt - originally printed in CAPITAL letters...

ADDRESS OF MICHAEL C. RUPPERT FOR THE COMMONWEALTH CLUB – SAN FRANCISCO TUESDAY AUGUST 31, 2004
THANK YOU FOR THAT GRACIOUS INTRODUCTION.

LET ME BEGIN BY THANKING PAT LAMKEN FOR INVITING ME TO BE HERE TODAY AND FOR HER EFFORTS TO ARRANGE – WHAT IS CERTAINLY FOR ME – A HISTORIC LANDMARK IN MY 26 YEARS OF WORK TO BRING TO LIGHT INFORMATION – VITALLY IMPORTANT, LIFE AND DEATH, INFORMATION – WHICH HAS BEEN VIRTUALLY IGNORED BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA. THIS INFORMATION HAS ALSO REMAINED COMPLETELY UNADDRESSED OR EVEN PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGED BY THOSE ELITES IN BOTH AMERICA AND THE WORLD THAT DETERMINE AND SHAPE PUBLIC POLICY AND DIRECT THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS.

I SAY THIS WITH THE FULL AND COMPLETE AWARENESS THAT I AM TONIGHT STANDING PARTIALLY IN THE MIDST OF THOSE ELITES AND THAT THOSE ELITES ARE LISTENING.

I HAVE LONG BEEN AWARE OF THE STATURE AND PRESTIGE OF THE COMMONWEALTH CLUB, FOR ITS ABILITY TO ATTRACT SOME OF THE WORLD’S MOST INFLUENTIAL SPEAKERS; ALSO FOR ITS REPUTATION FOR BI-PARTISANSHIP; AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR ITS WILLINGNESS TO PRESENT CONFLICTING OR OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS.

MY APPEARANCE HERE TONIGHT NO DOUBT MARKS A DEPARTURE FOR THE CLUB EVEN FROM THAT INSPIRING RECORD.
WITH TODAY’S REMARKS I INTEND TO ESTABLISH A WHOLE NEW DEFINITION OF “CONFLICTING VIEWPOINT.”

I APPLAUD THE CLUB’S RECORD AND AM MINDFUL THAT, HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE DANGEROUS AND EPOCHAL HISTORICAL EVENTS TAKING PLACE AROUND US, I WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN AFFORDED SUCH AN OPPORTUNITY AS THIS. BECAUSE CLEARLY, MY WRITING AND PUBLIC SPEAKING HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS EXACTLY WHERE I SAID WE WOULD BE IF SOMETHING FUNDAMENTAL WAS NOT CHANGED ABOUT HOW WE BOTH VIEW THE WORLD, AND HOW WE INTERACT WITH IT.

BEFORE PREPARING THIS SPEECH, OF COURSE, I DID SOME RESEARCH TO SEE WHO HAD SPOKEN HERE BEFORE.

I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT I FOLLOW ON THE HEELS OF SUCH NOTABLES AS FORMER CIA DIRECTOR JAMES WOOLSEY AND TWO MEMBERS OF THE KEAN COMMISSION ON 9/11: SLADE GORTON AND RICHARD BEN-VENISTE. THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE WHO I WOULD CALL “KINDRED SPIRITS.” I ALSO SAW THE NAME OF HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY TOM RIDGE AND FORMER TREASURY SECRETARY ROBERT RUBIN. THESE ARE ALSO LEADERS OF WHOM I HAVE BEEN SHARPLY CRITICAL IN THE PAST AND WILL BE SHARPLY CRITICAL OF IN THE FUTURE.

I ALSO SAW NAMES LIKE JOHN KERRY, JOHN EDWARDS, DENNIS KUCINICH, JOE LIBERMAN AND MADELEINE ALBRIGHT.

MY RECORD AS A JOURNALIST AND LECTURER SHOWS THAT I HAVE NOT EMBRACED, AND HAVE INDEED BEEN FIERCELY CRITICAL OF, MOST OF THESE OPINION MAKERS. WHILE I AM MORE INCLINED TO FIND KINSHIP WITH DENNIS KUCINICH, I ALSO STATE CATEGORICALLY THAT NO POLITICAL LEADER WHO DOES NOT ADDRESS THE REAL CAUSES OF THE PROBLEMS FACING US WILL EVER BE CONSIDERED BY ME AS A TRUE KINDRED SOUL – OR AS A POLITICAL CHAMPION FOR THE FUTURE.

SUCH PRAISE AND ENDORSEMENT I OFFER ONLY TO THE LIKES OF MY GOOD FRIEND, THE HONORABLE CYNTHIA MCKINNEY OF GEORGIA, AND TO FORMER ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF HOUSING CATHERINE AUSTIN FITTS. I HEARTILY RECOMMEND THEM TO THE CLUB AS POTENTIAL SPEAKERS FOR FUTURE EVENTS.

I ALSO SAW THE NAMES OF SPIRITUAL LEADERS AND INDEPENDENT OR INTERNATIONAL VOICES LIKE AL FRANKEN, JANE GOODALL, ARIANNA HUFFINGTON, THE RABBI MICHAEL LERNER, NORMAN MAILER, TED TURNER, HANS BLIX AND KING ABUDULLAH II.

IN LOOKING AT THIS LONG LIST OF PRESITIGIOUS SPEAKERS I WAS VERY AWARE THAT THE LIFE’S WORK OF MICHAEL RUPPERT DID NOT PLACE ME IN ANY CATEGORY THAT FIT WITH THESE PEOPLE. FOR THE MOST PART – I HAVE LONG CONSIDERED THEM TO BE PART OF A SERIOUS PROBLEM RATHER THAN PATHFINDERS TO ITS SOLUTION.

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THERE ARE MANY, MANY AREAS WHERE THE OFFICIAL ACCOUNT AND THE FINDINGS OF THE KEAN COMMISSION ARE CONTRADICTED BY HARD EVIDENCE, OFFICIAL RECORDS, MAINSTREAM NEWS INVESTIGATIONS AND EVEN SWORN TESTIMONY. BOTH THE LOS ANGELES TIMES AND THE NEW YORK TIMES HAVE NOTED SOME OF THE LESSER, BUT NO LESS GLARING, INCONSISTENCIES. IN MY BOOK I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH MANY MORE.


IN MY BOOK I WILL MAKE SEVERAL KEY POINTS:

1. I WILL NAME RICHARD CHENEY AS THE PRIME SUSPECT IN THE MASS MURDERS OF 9/11 AND WILL ESTABLISH THAT, NOT ONLY WAS HE A PLANNER IN THE ATTACKS, BUT ALSO THAT ON THE DAY OF THE ATTACKS HE WAS RUNNING A COMPLETELY SEPARATE COMMAND, CONTROL AND COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM WHICH WAS SUPERCEDING ANY ORDERS BEING ISSUED BY THE NMCC, OR THE WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM. TO ACCOMPLISH THAT END HE RELIED ON A REDUNDANT AND SUPERIOR COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM MAINTAINED BY THE US SECRET SERVICE IN OR NEAR THE PRESIDENTIAL EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER – THE BUNKER TO WHICH HE AND NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR CONDOLEEZZA RICE WERE REPORTEDLY “RUSHED” AFTER FLIGHT 175 STRUCK THE WTC’S SOUTH TOWER. I WILL DEMONSTRATE THAT THE SECRET SERVICE POSSESSED RADAR SCREENS WHICH GAVE THEM, AND THE VICE PRESIDENT, WHOSE SIDE THE NEVER LEFT, WITH REAL-TIME INFORMATION AS GOOD AS OR BETTER THAN THAT AVAILABLE TO THE PENTAGON;

2. I WILL DEMONSTRATE THAT IN WHAT ARE CALLED NATIONAL SPECIAL SECURITY EVENTS THE US SECRET SERVICE IS THE SUPREME US AGENCY FOR OPERATIONAL CONTROL WITH COMPLETE AUTHORITY OVER THE MILITARY AND ALL CIVILIAN AGENCIES.

3. I WILL ESTABLISH CONCLUSIVELY THAT IN MAY OF 2001, BY PRESIDENTIAL ORDER, RICHARD CHENEY WAS PUT IN DIRECT COMMAND AND CONTROL OF ALL WARGAME AND FIELD EXERCISE TRAINING AND SCHEDULING THROUGH SEVERAL AGENCIES, ESPECIALLY FEMA. THIS ALSO EXTENDED TO ALL OF THE CONFLICTING AND OVERLAPPING NORAD DRILLS ON THAT DAY.

4. I WILL ALSO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE TRIPOD II EXERCISE BEING SET UP ON SEPT. 10TH IN MANHATTAN WAS DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO CHENEY'S ROLE IN NUMBER 3 ABOVE.

5. I WILL ALSO PROVE CONCLUSIVELY THAT A NUMBER OF PUBLIC OFFICIALS, AT THE NATIONAL AND NEW YORK CITY LEVELS, INCLUDING THEN MAYOR RUDOLPH GIULIANI, WERE AWARE THAT FLIGHT 175 WAS EN ROUTE TO LOWER MANHATTAN FOR 20 MINUTES AND DID NOTHING – ABSOLUTELY NOTHING – TO ORDER THE EVACUATION OF OR WARN THE OCCUPANTS OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. ONE MILITARY OFFICER WAS FORCED TO LEAVE HIS POST IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ATTACKS AND PLACE A PRIVATE CALL TO HIS BROTHER - WHO WORKED AT THE WTC - WARNING HIM TO GET OUT. THAT WAS APPARENTLY AN ACT OF DESPERATION BECAUSE NO OTHER PART OF THE SYSTEM WAS TAKING ACTION.

6. I WILL ALSO SHOW THAT THE ISRAELI AND BRITISH GOVERNMENTS ACTED AS PARTNERS WITH THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT TO HELP IN THE PREPARATION AND, VERY POSSIBLY, THE ACTUAL EXECUTION OF THE ATTACKS."

----

I TURN NOW TO THE MOTIVE FOR THE MURDERS.

PEAK OIL IS NO SECRET. ITS CHIEF OPPONENT IS SOMETHING CALLED DENIAL – WHICH IS NOT A RIVER IN EGYPT.

DICK CHENEY KNEW ABOUT IT. I WILL SHOW YOU THAT IN MY BOOK. HIS NATIONAL ENERGY POLICY DEVELOPMENT GROUP – YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT REFUSED TO RELEASE ITS RECORDS SPARKING A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS AND A SUPREME COURT RULING, KNEW ABOUT IT. I WILL SHOW YOU THAT IN MY BOOK TOO.

TO QUOTE FORMER BRITISH ENVIRONMENTAL MINISTER MICHAEL MEACHER, WE ARE FACING, "THE SHARPEST AND PERHAPS THE MOST VIOLENT DISLOCATION (OF SOCIETY) IN RECENT HISTORY."

I SHOULD ADD THE MEACHER, ALONG WITH FORMER GERMAN CABINET MINISTER AND FORMER PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY ANDREAS VON BUELOW HAS STATED PUBLICLY AND IN WRITING THAT THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11TH WERE PERPETRATED BY THE US GOVERNMENT.

THERE ARE MANY OUT THERE WHO JUST REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT OIL AND NATURAL GAS ARE RUNNING OUT. SOME INSIST THAT OIL IS CREATED AUTOMATICALLY AND INFINITELY BY THE EARTH’S CORE, DISPUTING ALL KNOWN SCIENCE SHOWING OTHERWISE. THERE ARE THOSE WHO INSIST THAT ALTERNATIVE ENERGIES CAN BE SNAPPED INTO PLACE IMMEDIATELY TO ALLOW FOR INFINITE ECONOMIC AND POPULATION GROWTH.

ASIDE FROM LOOKING AT THE EVENTS SINCE 9/11 AND SEEING THAT THEY MATCH A WORLD OF DIMINISHING ENERGY LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME RECENT DEVELOPMENTS AROUND THE WORLD AND SEE WHAT THEY TELL US...

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/about1583.html

[shraby]

33. Tom Kean on the 9/11 commission

is/was head of an oil company also. Reps were at Azerbaijan dealing for the Caspian Sea oil. Can't remember the name of it.

On the Ruppert stuff..according to Richard Clarke's book, Lynne Cheney was in the situation room (or whatever it was called) with Dick and Condi. Clarke was complaining in his book that he couldn't get through to Cheney cause Lynne kept turning the t.v. up to hear what was going on and Cheney couldn't hear the telephone ring, which cause Clarke to have to go where they were to talk to Cheney.

[Pallas180]

44. Tom Kean, Saudi connection & the Oil Companies-well,well, we been

taken - or American suckers r us, Independent 9 11 commission huh :

"Thomas H. Kean

Thomas Kean, the former Governor of New Jersey, is Chairman of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission), which has emerged as one of the most important independent commissions in the history of American government.



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According to the December 27, 2002, Global Research article "New Chairman of 9/11 Commission had business ties with Osama's Brother in Law" by Michel Chossudovsky:

"Unknown to most, Unocal Corporation's partner in the Cent-Gas trans-Afghan pipeline consortium, the Saudi Company Delta Oil is owned by the bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi clans which allegedly have ties to bin Laden’s Al Qaeda.

"According to a 1998 Senate testimony of former CIA director R. James Woolsey, Jr., powerful financier Khalid bin Mahfouz’ younger sister is married to Osama bin Laden,. (US Senate, Senate Judiciary Committee, Federal News Service, 3 Sept. 1998, See also Wayne Madsen, Questionable Ties, In These Times, 12 Nov. 2001).

"Bin Mahfouz is suspected to have funnelled millions of dollars to the Al Qaeda network.(See Tom Flocco, Scoop.co.nz 28 Aug. 2002.)

"Now, 'by sheer coincidence', former New Jersey governor Thomas Kean, the man chosen by President Bush to lead the 9/11 commission also has business ties with bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi.

"Thomas Kean is a director and shareholder of Amerada Hess Corporation, which is involved in the Hess-Delta joint venture with Delta Oil of Saudi Arabia (owned by the bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi clans)."

"In other words, Delta Oil Ltd. of Saudi Arabia --which is a partner in the Hess-Delta Alliance--is in part controlled by Khalid bin Mafhouz, Osama's brother in law.

"And former Governor Thomas Kean not only sits on the board of directors of a company which has business dealings with Khalid bin Mahfouz, he also heads the 9/11 Commission, which has a mandate to investigate Khalid's brother in law, Osama bin Laden."

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The following is from The Century Foundation web pages:
"President Thomas H. Kean, former Governor of New Jersey (1982-1990), is Drew University's 10th President. In addition to his responsibilities as President, President Kean teaches a political science seminar, Governing a State, is advisor to That Medieval Thing and Alpha Phi Omega (the national service fraternity), and takes part in many campus events.

"He is often seen at athletic events, productions of the Drew University Dramatic Society, or joining students in the dining hall, on the paths around campus, or in the University Center. Kean writes a regular column for the Star Ledger (for which he and co-author, former NJ Governor Brendan T. Byrne, received the Washington Monthly Journalism Award) and appears on television as a regular commentator on New Jersey Network. His first book, The Politics of Inclusion, was published in 1988.

"Because of his concern about the rising costs of higher education, Kean co-chaired The National Commission on Investment in Higher Education, which highlighted the fiscal problems this country faces in its June, 1997 report, Breaking the Social Contract: The Fiscal Crisis in Higher Education. President William Jefferson Clinton appointed President Kean to serve both on the Advisory Board to the President's Initiative on Race and as chair of the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy. He is also on the board of a number of organizations including: The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, The World Wildlife Fund (National Council Member), United Health Care Corporation, National Center for Learning Disabilities.

"He is the former chairman of both the Carnegie Corporation of New York

[Zan_of_Texas]

56. Kean & oil in Azerbaijan and more

A repost of something I saved from DU from last fall.
NOTE: I DID NOT WRITE THIS.

Be wary of a bit of this. Chussodovsky has posted at one of his sites a retraction as relates to one of these characters and his relation to ... I believe Osama. Anyway, check Chuss.'s site before getting too far.

Even so, the Kean stuff is damning enough.

And bin Mahfouz goes WAAAAAY back -- it's not hard to at least tentatively connect him to the Bushes in the Arbusto days.


From DUer 9215 Nov. 2 2003 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=630561 Here is a copy of a letter I have sent to numerous nationals representatives and Ted Koeppel of Nightline. I encourage people to pass this on to Congress. This would be great political ammunition for dems exposing corruption and cronyism. It doesn't get more incestuous than this. Dear Ted Koeppel, I am sending this to you because I believe you have a genuine interest in informing the public about what is really going on with the war on terror and investigations into 9/11. This is a story about how the head of the 9/11 Commission is in business with the Saudi's. This is a serious conflict of interest that could compromise the investigation, not to mention our national security. Snips of this article and a discussion were orignally at about reply #22 at www. democraticunderground.com: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=610051&mesg_id=629160&page=>

Bush appoints ex- governor (NJ) Tom Kean who is linked with Mafouz and BCCI <http://www.globalpolicy.org/wtc/analysis/2003/0117boss.htm>. Anyone who lived within shouting distance of New Jersey in the 1980s will remember Governor Tom Kean as the tall, balding man who roamed the beach in tourism commercials for the Garden State. "New Jersey and you-perfect together," he recited, in a curiously New England accent. Despite being the Republican governor of a densely populated, highly unionized, and ethnically diverse state, his tenure in office came and went with little incident. This past fall, he made a brief political reemergence to campaign unsuccessfully for Doug Forrester, Frank Lautenberg's opponent in New Jersey's Senate race. Seemingly little had changed about Kean since his days in the capitol. He was still an innocuous looking man, with an aloof professorial air, who spoke with the patrician tones of George Plimpton. He remains extremely popular today, though few of his former constituents remember anything he did while in office. This fact, as much as anything else, is what led President Bush to name Kean the head of the panel investigating September 11.

Henry Kissinger, Bush's original choice, was far too high profile. Though Kissinger has not held an official governmental position since the end of the Ford administration, he remains the very essence of 21st century celebrity, with a face, voice, and checkered past that is burned into the memory of nearly every American. On the surface, Kean is everything Kissinger is not. Surface is all that really matters, of course, since Bush shows little interest in going any deeper than that in his 9/11 probe. The administration waited well over a year to begin convening its investigation, and it has placed prohibitive and arcane strictures on the commission, such as requiring that any criminal subpoenas must be approved by six of the ten committee members. And when the time came to appoint a committee chair, a wanted war criminal was Bush's first choice: a man who will no longer leave the country for fear of being whisked off to the Hague, Milosevic-style. Of course, as is true of nearly everyone associated with the Bush administration, the acrid scent of decaying skeletons wafts out of Tom Kean's closet.

Though few in the mainstream media seem willing to discuss it, Kean has some very disturbing connections-some of which lead directly to the very people he should be investigating. To date, the only mainstream newspaper to even come close to raising any issues about Kean's business associations has been New York Newsday. Washington correspondent Thomas Frank, in his December 17 article on the new chair, mentioned in passing that Kean is a director at Aramark, a food-services corporation with business interests in Saudi Arabia. Had Frank cared to probe deeper, however, he would have discovered that cafeteria food is far from Kean's only dealing in the Middle East.

Kean is also a director at Amerada Hess, a petroleum company whose green and white gas stations are a familiar sight in the New York metropolitan area. The Hess family is well known for its ownership of the New York Jets, but their company is less famous for being a partner in Hess-Delta, an oil exploration and development joint venture incorporated in the Cayman Islands. Little is known about Delta-Hess's interests besides its investments in the Caspian Sea region, Azerbaijan, and other former Soviet republics.

What is known is that Hess's partner in this joint venture is Delta Oil of Saudi Arabia, a company with some extremely suspicious executives. Two of Kean's Hess-Delta business partners-Mohammed Hussein al Amoudi and Khalid bin Mahfouz-have been under investigation as far back as 1999 for suspected ties to Al Qaeda (Boston Herald, 12/11/2001). Both men have numerous overlapping oil interests in Saudi Arabia, one of which is Delta. Both men are accused by name in a $1 trillion lawsuit, filed on behalf of families of the victims of September 11, as alleged financiers of Al Qaeda.

Khalid bin Mahfouz, head of Saudi Arabia's powerful National Commercial Bank, has led a storied and very public career in fraud. He was implicated in the BCCI banking scandal during the early 1990s, when the Bank of Commerce and Credit International robbed depositors of $10 billion. He eventually paid a $225 million settlement to escape prosecution. In the mid-1990s, he was caught in a citizenship-for-sale scandal, in which he courted investors for business ventures in Ireland, in exchange for Irish passports and huge tax exemptions. Shortly thereafter, it appears that bin Mahfouz made the jump from white-collar criminal into terrorist sugar daddy. In 1999, he was reportedly placed under house arrest by the Saudi government on suspicion of supporting terrorism. An audit of his National Commerce Bank discovered that $2 billion dollars had gone missing, and US and Saudi officials feared it was funneled to Al Qaeda via numerous charity fronts. One of the "charities" to which bin Mahfouz may have "contributed" heavily, the Advice and Reformation Committee, was founded by Osama bin Laden himself and financed the 1998 African embassy bombings. US officials also suspect bin Mahfouz to be financially linked to the USS Cole attack, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and numerous failed terrorist actions. Bin Mahfouz's son was on the board of the Sudanese chapter of Blessed Relief, a charity whose assets were frozen by the Treasury Department in October 2001 for suspected terrorist links. (Ottawa Citizen, 9/29/2001) As a final note, bin Mahfouz also happens to be Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law. ////I THINK THIS IS THE PART CHUSS. HAS RETRACTED.//////

According to Senate testimony given by former CIA director James Woolsey, bin Mahfouz's younger sister is one of bin Laden's many brides. (New York Times, 11/12/2001) One may wonder how Tom Kean has, thus far, been able to avoid such scrutiny. He hasn't entirely; Michel Chussodovsky, an economics professor at the University of Ottawa, recently wrote an extensive expose of Kean's connections at globalresearch.ca, and a number of other alternative news sources have already published articles on the subject. But the mainstream media refuses to pick up the story, possibly because questions about Kean's connections to bin Mahfouz ultimately lead to questions about President Bush's connections to him as well. In 1979, when Bush started up Arbusto Energy in Houston, one of his investors was James Bath, the US business representative of Salem bin Laden-brother of Osama. Though it has yet to be proven, many suspect Bath's $50,000 investment came directly from Salem. Following bin Laden's death in 1988, his Houston-based interests were absorbed by Khalid bin Mahfouz. As a result, Bush soon found himself in hot water during the BCCI scandal, when investigations into the bank's finances revealed that many of the indicted BCCI executives invested heavily in Harken Energy (a reincarnation of Arbusto). Bush denied any knowledge of the BCCI investment, though this answer appears to be disingenuous at best.

Bin Mahfouz, a BCCI principal, was implicated in the collective fraud, though not directly connected to Bush's company.

It would not be the last time the men crossed paths. In December 1997, the London Telegraph reported that Taliban representatives were close to signing a deal with Unocal, a California-based oil company, to construct a pipeline across Afghanistan. Bin Mahfouz's Delta Oil was heavily involved in the negotiations, and acted as a liaison between the Taliban and Unocal. At the same time, incidentally, Enron CEO Ken Lay (Kenny Boy to the President) was contracted to conduct feasibility studies for the Unocal-Delta joint venture. Unocal publicly urged the Clinton administration to recognize the Taliban, despite Osama bin Laden's very welcome presence in the country it controlled. Clinton was reluctant to do so, however, and the Afghan pipeline project hung in negotiations limbo for years-as recently as January 2001, the Bush administration was still meeting with Taliban representatives to work out an oil deal. There is no reason to believe that Delta, and therefore bin Mahfouz, had relinquished its interest in the Afghan pipeline by this time.

Shortly after the fall of the Taliban, Bush installed Hamid Karzai, a former Unocal consultant, as president of Afghanistan. Zalmay Khalilzad, late of Unocal and a former Taliban supporter, was appointed as the US special envoy to the country. Assuming the Unocal-Delta joint venture still formally exists, President Bush has as much of a link to terrorism as the man he appointed to head the September 11 commission. This protects both of them, but at the expense of a thorough investigation. Kean, after all, is unlikely to give the public much cause for alarm. He is obviously not in a position to ask any hard questions of anyone, lest the press dig deeper into his own business dealings, or lest his own commission uncover embarrassing facts about himself. We should be clear that Kean is no Kissinger; circumstance and association indict him more than deeds and documents. And unlike Kissinger, Kean has no entries in the national database, and the evil he may have done is the quiet and distant kind that Americans are usually able to ignore. But he is burdened by disincentives to find the truth, and this is something the American people need to know. Now, anyone unfamiliar with Kean will see nothing more in him than those who remember his old tourism commercials-a man strolling the Jersey shore, without a care in the world, staring enigmatically off into the distant east.

[Pallas180]

65. Man turned whore. Politics seems to brush

all in it with scummy slimey character virus.

Thanks Zan. That was informative to say the least.

[Pallas180]

34. Ashcroft has stepped back in and attempted to put the brakes on.

Covey (sic), Fitzgerald's boss, is unhappy about it.

The avenue to indictments I think is not Plame, but Edmonds...if we
push it.

[shraby]

35. That's Comey.

One of the senators is trying to get that prosecutor that Ashcroft put on the case off it because it will just go down the memory hole otherwise.

[Pallas180]

38. Senator Levin or Waxman?

[robertpaulsen]

39. What?! How can he do that legally?

Once Ashcroft recused himself, he can't touch the case! I'm not a lawyer, but this sounds highly irregular. What can Fitzgerald do to stop him?

[shraby]

41. He put the FBI case against

Franklin who was leaking to the person(s) in AIPAC into the hands of that "fixer" lawyer.
There are indications it ties into Plame and the senator is trying to get it all moved to Fitzgerald. Maybe Justin Raimondo at antiwar has the story. I know I saw it.

Here's Justin's article I'll see if I can find the senator stuff:

<http://antiwar.com/justin/>

[shraby]

42. It's rep. Conyers

not a senator..sorry.

snip

Also yesterday, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee demanded that a new prosecutor be assigned to investigate the alleged leaks, questioning the "political leanings" of the U.S. attorney in Alexandria who is handling the criminal portion of the case.

In a letter to Attorney General John D. Ashcroft, Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) said the role of U.S. Attorney Paul J. McNulty in the case has "obvious political implications" in an election year, and Conyers cited anonymous allegations in a news report that McNulty had "put the brakes on" the probe.

"While I have no reason to question Mr. McNulty's integrity, he is not a career prosecutor, but instead is a political appointee whose previous employment was principally with Republican politicians," Conyers wrote.

Conyers suggested that either a special counsel or U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald of Chicago, who is overseeing a separate probe into the disclosure of CIA operative Valerie Plame, should take over the Pentagon probe.

Justice Department spokesman Mark Corallo declined to comment on the specifics of Conyers's allegations. "We will review the congressman's letter and give it the attention it is due," Corallo said. A spokesman for McNulty also declined comment, referring a reporter to Corallo's statement.

snip
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A60497-2004Sep3?language=printer>

If the two cases merge, maybe they can get it out of Ashcroft's control.

[shraby]

43. The way they would merge

is that the Franklin etal. involves the OSP and the Plame leak was because of bad intel from the OSP.

[Pallas180]

46. nothing. Except to make a big stink - as Archibald Cox and the

others did, who Nixon kept firing.

What was that called : Saturday slaughter or something...

[shraby]

47. I think Conyers knows what the story is.

Now if we can tie Edmonds in that would be a double plus.

[shraby]

49. What is this concerning Fitzgerald

and the Plame case?
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x815381>

[Pallas180]

50. Conyers knows what the story is, but no one listens to him.

[shraby]

52. Leahy and I think Grassley know

Edmonds and Conyers is after the other stuff. If they know, more of the critters know. Waxman knows a bunch of stuff and Graham does too. It might reach critical mass one of these days because they are letting people know they know.

By the way Pallas, how are you? Aren't you down there someplace in the path of the storm?

[shraby]

53. Gotta keep this up to the top.

You there today Pallas?

[Pallas180]

66. Thanks for

asking Shraby. Yup, I'm down here someplace in the path of the storm -
and waiting to find out the direction, and whether or not we pack up.

[Pallas180]

67. Thanks for

asking Shraby. Yup, I'm down here someplace in the path of the storm -
and waiting to find out the direction, and whether or not we pack up.

[Zan_of_Texas]

57. Saturday Night Massacre

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Saturday-Night-Massacre

The so-called Saturday Night Massacre was the dismissal of special prosecutor Archibald Cox and the forced resignations of Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus by U.S. President Richard Nixon during the Watergate scandal on the night of Saturday, October 20, 1973.

Archibald Cox, the special prosecutor who was appointed by Congress to investigate the events surrounding the Watergate break-in of June 17,1972, had earlier issued a subpoena to President Nixon, asking for copies of taped conversations which Nixon had made in the Oval Office as evidence. Nixon initially refused to comply with the subpoena, but on October 19, 1973, he offered what was later known as the Stennis Compromise, asking a Senator to review and summarize the tapes for the special prosecutor's office. Cox refused the compromise that evening, and it was believed that there would be a short rest in the legal maneuvering while government offices were closed for the weekend.

However, President Nixon acted to dismiss Cox from his office the next night. He contacted Attorney General Richardson and ordered him to fire the special prosecutor. Richardson refused, and instead resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General Ruckelshaus to fire Cox; he, too, refused and resigned.

<SNIP> Congress was infuriated by the act, which was seen as a gross abuse of Presidential power. In the days that followed, numerous bills of impeachment against the President were introduced in Congress. <SNIP>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Back to 2004: Too bad we have an awful attorney general. Why on earth was he confirmed in the first place?!@:L!K#. The consequences have been disastrous.

[Pallas180]

59. ZAN - chuckle. You know why he was confirmed in the first place

a tacit agreement of silence to complete a coup.

Perhaps the democrats who were supposed to be in opposition but weren't, didn't know how bad the coup would be, and had decided to let
it go on - until now they are powerless.

[shraby]

69. I just ran across this

and it really belongs with A.Q. Kahn/Plame stuff. From Greg Palast article

(snip)

Back to the high-level agent. I pressed him to tell me exactly which investigations were spiked. None of this interview dance was easy, requiring switching to untraceable phones. Ultimately, the insider said, "Khan Labs." At the time, our intelligence agencies were on the trail of Pakistan's Dr. Strangelove, A.Q. Khan, who built Pakistan's bomb and was selling its secrets to the Libyans. But once Bush and Condoleeza Rice's team took over, the source told us, agents were forced to let a hot trail go cold. Specifically, there were limits on tracing the Saudi money behind this "Islamic bomb."

(more)

<http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=370&row=0>

[Pallas180]

70. Obstruction of Investigations Into Al-Qaeda

"On August 22, 2001, John O'Neill, a counter-terrorism expert who was said to be the US government's "most committed tracker of Osama bin Ladin and his al-Qaeda network of terrorists," resigned from the FBI, citing repeated obstruction of his investigations into al-Qaeda. The previous month, O'Neill who held one of the top positions in the FBI, had reportedly complained of obstruction by the White House, saying that the main obstacles to investigating al-Qaeda were "US oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia."

There can be no question that the current administration in the White House as well as former US government officials, with the cooperation of certain other countries and intelligence agencies, planned and executed the September 11, 2001 attack on the United States of America to accomplish an oft stated goal since the end of WW2 as well as securing uncountable future personal wealth for the participants and the private companies they owned.

1) PNAC pronouncements and history of US govt. planning attacks
on its own land to anger the American Public enough to support a war
wanted by the "government"/

2) Failure of Bush administration to pay attention to Al Queda threats, and known infiltration into America of Saudi cells -
plus demotion of any agent or official such as O'Neill and Clarke and Edmonds who continued to attempt to have the administration act against the threats of Al Queda or investigate connections to the Saudis.

3)"Coincidental" Military "exercises"of 28/38 hijackings planned and in operation on 9/11 which acted to confuse the FAA, military, and air force as to whether the attack was real or part of the exercise and which planes were in real life hijacked and which were part of the exercise - allowing the real hijackers to continue their missions.
(and Fema's full operational setup at a NYC pier on Septmeber 10 for readiness-which became the HQ for the management of the actual disaster of 9/11 )

4) Marvin Bush cancels WTC insurance by his company just prior to 9/11; Marvin Bush's security company is the one hired to protect the building, and stands down about 5 days prior to attack, as well as Marvin Bush's company provided security for United Airlines.

5)Neither "7 Minute Bush", Rumsfeld, or Cheney gave immediate and proper orders or information to US forces to interfere with the hijackings and scramble fighters to stop the attacks.

6) The "orders" had to come from the President of the United States.
Cheney was the only one in the White House and he did not contact the
"President" of the United States and tell him what was occurring, nor did he contact the Secretary of Defense to order military intervention, but Cheney himself ran the operation and refused to order interference of the plane attacking the Pentagon even when it was within 10 miles of the Pentagon.

7) The oft stated goal of the cabal that has taken over the United States since 1988 and possibly since 1980, (FEMA and Patriot structure
written during Reagan/Bush terms) has been to attack Iraq. Iraq and Afghanistan are geopolitical keys to access to the massive Caspian Sea oil and transportation of it out of the Middle East by American and British Oil companies. These companies in association with Dick Cheney, James Baker III, Henry Kissinger,Zbigniew Brzezinski, Richard Perle,various Bush family associates and a consortium including the Bin Laden group and the Saudi group as well as chief executives of certain oil companies benefit from the occupation of Afghanistan on one side of Iran and the occupation of Iraq on the other side of Iran which now gives them access to the Persian Gulf and the ability to close off Iran's access to the Gulf.

8) With the "intervention and liberation " conquering of Afghanistan and Iraq, oil and gas pipelines for American and British companies which had to run through Iraq and Afghanistan that had been stalled for as much as 12 years or more by the Afghanis and Saddamm now have been completed.

9) New drilling and pipelines will also run east and west and south from the Caspian massive oil pool. It would appear that the liberating of Iraq's oil was a secondary benefit to the cabal as the true purpose was and is to obtain land and sea passage and access for and to the Caspian oil as well as routes for the "stans" oils and gases to be routed across other uncooperative countries' lands.

10) Former U.S. government officials, world bankers, and oil men who have planned these actions since the end of WW2 consistently have made secret comments which have become public concerning the necessity and timing of an attack on the United States which would make the average American citizen more malleable and willing to trade their liberties and the Constitution of the United States for a guarantee of "protection and safety" by this Cabal .

If you now don't know that the attack on the World Trade Center and the death of 3000 Americans sitting at their desks for their days' work was not a foreign attack but an attack on our country by its own current and former ex- government officials,then you must be certain that one bullet killed John F. Kennedy, that there was not a rigged election in 2000, and that we were attacked by Saddam Hussein and Iraq and not by Osama bin Laden, partner of Carlyle and George H.W. Bush,James Baker III, Henry Kissinger representing China, the Saudi Kingdom,Zbigniew Brzezinski, Richard Dick Cheney,Richard Armitage,
Amoco, BP America, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil, Occidental, Panalpina, and Unocal.

Since Cheney became the Vice President after the 1996 formation of this "Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce" he has replaced himself with his
married daughter under the name of Perry on this altruistic organization. Armitage also had to resign since he went into the State
Department, perhaps to spy, control, or undercut Powell, however at this time I have not researched which name or company is related to
Armitage. Moncrief Oil is known to be a personal Texan friend of W and Laura - and of course Chevron's largest 136,000 ton oil tanker named Condoleeza Rice has been renamed "Altair Voyager" when Americans became suspicious that the Iraq war was being hawked by an administration totally composed of former top oil company executives.









The Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center was inaugurated by His Excellency Heydar Aliyev, President, Republic of Azerbaijan on September 11, 2000.

US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce
1212 Potomac Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20007

Officers
Honorary Council of Advisors

James Addison Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Richard Bruce Dick Cheney (resigned November 2000)

Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu
Chairman Emeritus

T. Don Stacy
Co-Chairman of the Board

Tim Cejka
Reza Vaziri
Vice-Chairman of the Board

James A. Baker IV
Board of Directors

Richard Armitage (resigned February 2001)

Farhad Azima
Betty Blair
Howard Chase
Don Condon
Stanley Escudero
Nader Fahm
Andrew Fawthrop
Mike Kostiw
David Sambrooks
Gregory K. Williams
Board of Trustees

Abdullah Akyuz
Ilham Aliyev
Graham Allison
Sam Brownback
Frank Henke
Richard Moncrief
Hafiz Pashayev
Richard N. Perle
Joseph R. Pitts
John Roberts
Stephen Robertson
Nancy Tuomey
Frank Verrastro
Officers

Theodore Ted Jonas, Legal Counsel & Secretary

Karl Mattison, Treasurer

Seymour Khalilov, Executive Director

Announcing The US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce, Azerbaijan International, Spring 1996. "The Chamber extends deep appreciation to the following companies which have contributed to its establishment: Amoco, BP America, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil, Occidental, Panalpina, and Unocal."
Caspian Watch # 5: Senator Byrd Takes the Lead in Securing U.S. Access To 200 Billion Barrels of Oil in the Caspian Sea, Center for Security Policy, February 1997. "This conference, sponsored by the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (USACC), involved some 300 participants, including in addition to Senator Robert Byrd: former Secretary of Defense Richard Bruce Dick Cheney, former Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard N. Perle, former Deputy Energy Secretary William White, U.S. Ambassador to Azerbaijan Richard Kauzlarich, Azerbaijan's Ambassador to the U.S. Hafiz Pashayev and the former U.S. mediator on the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict Ambassador John
Maresca."

The following illustrates the associations of some of the above listed names:

United States-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce

HONORARY COUNCIL OF ADVISORS

The USACC Honorary Council of Advisors is comprised of individuals of high distinction. Council members serve in advisory capacity.

James Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Dick Cheney
(Resigned in November, 2000)
Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu

CHAIRMAN EMERITUS
T. Don Stacy

CO-CHAIRMEN OF THE BOARD
Tim Cejka
Executive Vice President, ExxonMobil Exploration Co.
Reza Vaziri
President, R.V. Investment Group

VICE-CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD
James A. Baker, IV
Partner, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Ambassador Richard Armitage
President, Armitage Associates
(Resigned in February, 2001)

Farhad Azima
Chairman & CEO, Aviation Leasing Group

Betty Blair
Editor, Azerbaijan International

Howard Chase
Director, International Affairs, BP

Don Condon
President & General Manager, Conoco

Stanley Escudero
Consultant, Moncrief Oil International

Nader Fahm
President, Alfacom

Andrew Fawthrop
Vice President, Unocal International Energy Ventures

Mike Kostiw
General Manager, International Government Relations, ChevronTexaco

David Sambrooks
Vice President & General Manager, Devon Energy

Gregory K. Williams
Strategic Security Manager, Coca Cola


BOARD OF TRUSTEES

Abdullah Akyuz
President, TUSIAD-US Inc.

Ilham Aliyev
First Vice President, SOCAR

Graham Allison
Director, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs
Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University

Sam Brownback (R-KS)
US Senator

Frank Henke
Chairman, American Bank & Trust Company

Richard Moncrief
Chairman, Moncrief Oil International

Hafiz Pashayev
Ambassador of Azerbaijan in the U.S.

Richard Perle
American Enterprize Institute, former Assistant Secretary of Defense

Joseph R. Pitts (R-PA)
US Congressman

John Roberts
Senior Advisor, American International Group

Stephen Robertson
President, Bertling Logistics

Nancy Tuomey
Vice President, First Union Bank

Frank Verrastro
Senior Policy Advisor, Vinson & Elkins


OFFICERS

Legal Counsel & Secretary
Ted Jonas - Counsel, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

Treasurer
Karl Mattison - V.P. Riggs Bank, N.A.

Executive Director
Seymour Khalilov

http://www.usacc.org/chamber/prof-officers.htm

[Zan_of_Texas]

71. You did all that while getting ready for another hurricane?

I'm impressed.

[Pallas180]

72. Lol, ZAN. If you study the map above, Putin's Chechnya obsession

may have something to do with this....the Caspian Sea is 1/2 on his
side, Chechnya is part of Georgia and I do believe that Schevardnaze
was cordial to the oil pipelines...but the gap in cooperation has something to do with Chechnya which wants independence from Georgia and Russia.

I'm not quite onto that yet.

Do they need Chechnya's land to run the oil pipelines across?

Or does Chechnya itself have oil or gas?

[Pallas180]

86. BINGO -scarcity of black gold causes mother of all world wars

from the transcript of Ruppert's speech to the Commonwealth Club. Fits right in with all we have researched about Azberjain, and the Stans and the Caspian and the oil deals with Eastern and Western countries.


"japan, ignoring stiff opposition from washington, has signed
a major oil contract with iran, at the same time that it is
feuding with china, vietnam and the philippines over
relatively small oil and gas deposits in the spratly islands
of the south china sea. "


gives us a clue to what the neo- cons next moves are - attacking Iran for its oil - and invading the African countries for what little oil they have..and exploration for new oil.

All of this because of Peak Oil - instead of searching for a substitute for the oil to run machinery and cars such as corn oil and tooling up for that, and converting to heating and cooling by solar and other forms of energy; the neo-cons are trying to corner every pool of oil in the universe, by force.


Although Ruppert mentions in his speech he has written a book naming Cheney and the generals including Myers and heads of CIA and FBI as the manipulators of 9-11, his speech does not go into much detail about it, rather it lays out the motives for their pre-emptive attack on Afghanistan and Iraq - and reading his speech, confirms our findings in "Sibel -Farsi Spoken Here".

If you haven't read the whole thing, do.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/09/1694003.php

Because you can follow the plans for the next coups, next wars, next pre-emptive attacks. These beasts in the White House are blackmailing every country that has oil with the threat of war and destruction - "sign on the dotted line or else".

[robertpaulsen]

73. Saturday kick

Hey everyone!

Thanks for keeping things going here. I'm at home on my slow as January molasses dial-up. I can post for a little while but no in depth research til Monday.

:kick:
:kick:
:kick:

[shraby]

75. I'm checking in for a few

good to see you retrieved that Azerbaijan stuff Pallas. Pretty pertinent stuff.

[shraby]

76. Kicking this back to the top

sure hope the CBS stuff stays in the news. I see usatoday has a couple more memos in addition to the cbs ones.

[shraby]

77. Another kick to the top.

At least the print media is keeping the Bush memos front and center. That's a plus.

[Pallas180]

79. Which Bush memos? got a link?

[shraby]

83. The ones that CBS put on t.v.

the other night. I think you can find them on their site at
<http://www.cbsnews.com>

[Pallas180]

82. Ruppert names Cheney as prime suspect for 9-11

Mike Ruppert from fromthewilderness.com and copvcia.com gave a speech last night where he names Cheney as the prime suspect for 9/11. It's a long speech, but worth a read.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/09/1694003.php

Text of Michael Ruppert's Speech at the Commonwealth Club
by repost Wednesday, Sep. 01, 2004 at 9:34 AM
I will name Richard Cheney as the prime suspect in the mass murders of 9/11 and will establish that, not only was he a planner in the attacks, but also that on the day of the attacks he was running a completely separate Command, Control and Communications system which was superceding any orders being issued by the NMCC , or the White House Situation Room.


04-08ruppert.jpg, image/jpeg, 150x190

Michael Ruppert gave a groundbreaking speech at the "Commonwealth
Club" in San Francisco on Tuesday, August 31. The PDF file of the
speech is attached, and is downloadable at
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/PDF/Commonwealth.pdf (if you don't
have a PDF file reader, you can download a free reader from adobe.com
for Macintosh or Windows operating systems). The speech is long, but
a must read for anyone interested in the future of the United States,
peak oil, 9/11, the 2004 election, and related topics. There are
very few journalists digging up credible new information about 9/11,
but this speech -- a teaser for Ruppert's upcoming book -- is full of
critical information that should be on the front page of every
newspaper on the planet. It would be difficult to exaggerate the
importance of this information.

[Pallas180]

81. While our tv and news media say 0 about Sibel, an article this month

is in Glamour Magazine about Sibel Edmonds.

page 215 titled "Does This Woman Know Too Much?"

Now this is pretty odd. A woman's magazine with the guts to publish
Sibel Edmonds while WaPo, the NYT, and the cable tv's say nothing.

The monopoly on radio and tv has to be broken or America will continue
to be filled with dumb uninformed sheeple.

Hmmm. I wonder if someone at Glamour reads DU?

[Pallas180]

80. Sibel's mysterious words are catching eyes:

Sibel: "“The real activities taking place behind the scenes are criminal… Everything from drugs to money laundering to arms sales. And yes, there are certain convergences (between) these activities and international terrorism." -Sibel Edmonds



"The law firm of Feith & Zell, in concert with Perle, was instrumental in funneling hundreds of millions of dollars from Arab and Muslim countries to the Bosnian government during that nation's civil war. While that effort was ostensibly designed to assist the Bosnians to purchase weapons, officials familiar with its actual operation reported that some of the arms and money "spilled over" to Al Qaeda and Iranian Pasdaran forces in the Balkans."

"The neo-con attack on Shaw was predictable considering their previous attacks on Ambassador Joe Wilson, his wife Valerie Plame, former U.S. Central Command chief General Anthony Zinni, former counter-terrorism coordinator Richard Clarke, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, CIA counter-terrorism agent Michael Scheuer (the "anonymous" author of Imperial Hubris who has recently been gagged by the Bush administration), fired FBI translator Sibel Edmonds (who likely discovered a penetration by Israeli and other intelligence assets using the false flag of the Turkish American Council and who also has been gagged by the Bush administration), and all those who took on the global domination cabal."

" But Shaw showed incredible moxie. When he decided to investigate Pentagon Inspector General Reports that firms tied to Perle and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz were benefiting from windfall profit contracts in Iraq, Shaw decided to go to Iraq himself to find out what was going on. When Shaw was denied entry into Iraq by U.S. military officers (yes, a top level official of the Defense Department was denied access to Iraq by U.S. military personnel!), he decided to sneak into the country disguised as a Halliburton contractor. Using the cover of Cheney's old company to get the goods on Cheney's friends' illegal activities was yet another masterful stroke of genius by Shaw. But it also earned him the wrath of the neo-cons. They soon leaked a story to the Los Angeles Times claiming that Shaw actually snuck into Iraq to ensure that Qualcomm (on whose board sat a friend of Shaw's) was awarded a lucrative cell network contract."

On Edit from Pallas (But the problem is, although the investigation is following Perle, Wolfowitz' sweetheart deals and profiteering, the inestigatins have not yet tied in the 1996 and 1998 letters to Clinton, and the subseqent war on Afghanistan and Iraq with the 1996 Caspian Sea -Azberjain Chamber of Commerce membership and activities. And the American people have no idea of this yet. I think to make the authorities and media aware of this is our mission. What do you think)

-more-

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081104_winds_change.shtml

[shraby]

84. Pallas, this whole dammed administration

is so corrupt a person just gets lost trying to keep it all straight. It's the same people in every con game and crooked dealings all over this planet. Mostly a bunch of maybe 30(?) people that need rounded up and put in a tank and the rest would fall to pieces. It would make the world more safer than rounding up all the al Queda.

Actually it wouldn't be a bad idea to put the al Queda in the same tank. :evilgrin:

[shraby]

85. I read the Mike Ruppert

article. He's spot on.

[Pallas180]

89. Read # 86.

You wonder who knows this and who fully realizes it.

The media?

The Senate?

and if they dont know it, what will/would be their reaction?

I think they would be in favor of stealing the world's oil, but against having killed 3000 Americans as an excuse to do it.

???

[shraby]

90. I was wondering that myself...

I think there are a whole lot in congress who know. They'd almost have to. Ones on the intel committees particularly, plus the ones complicit in the mess.

[Pallas180]

87. "make the world more safer than rounding up all the al Queda.

Agreed.

We were so right in Sibel Speaks Farsi. It's the best investigation and thread that has ever been done on DU - or anywhere!

[shraby]

88. Do you have the links to

Sibel Edmonds speaks Farsi and American Traitor

They need brought front and center again. I found the one to the Waterman Paper and put it on, we have a whole bunch of newbies and they need to read all of them.

[Pallas180]

91. Shraby, Robert and I

dont have anything to do with "that Paper". You "put it on" where?

Nor do we want anything to do. Don;t count us in on anything to do with that- ever.

We don't like being used or the viciousness or rudeness that was encouraged by a certain phony and pointed at us. I believe the word Robert used was "hypocrite" and I certainly agree with him.

American Judas is Robert's and our investigation and no one else's. You might want to go back to the Plame threads and see who investigated Cheney to Khan and his connections and totally contributed.

What we and Zan have researched and investigated on Sibel also has nothing to do with the other.

We were ridiculed, called "loony lefties", and harrassed on line for investigating 9-11 and tying it in to Cheney and Sibel's words.

I hope you understand.

[shraby]

92. I understand what went on. I was just on the very

fringes for the most part.
The Edmonds and Judas ones are especially valuable and all the newbies should read them. (I was searching for American Traitor) that is why I couldn't find it I'll bet.

If you could give me the links, I'd appreciate it.
(I contributed to all the papers.<G>)

[Pallas180]

93. Yes you certainly did! Here's American Judas by Robert Paulsen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=69033

[shraby]

94. I found the pdf for American Judas

with the search (I have a star now too :party: )
and I found Sibel with the search. I put these two together and took Waterman off. These are the two most important ones.

Thanks for the link though. I'll hafta work on this one also but have been busy the last few days.

[robertpaulsen]

99. Madsen's the man.

When I have more time, I'll do more research into this, especially the black gold connection you mentioned earlier.

[robertpaulsen]

122. Not much time for research, but this is slightly humorous.

Concerning black gold, did you know where the name of Valerie Plame's CIA front Brewster Jennings & Associates came from?



Brewster Jennings was the name of the president of the former Socony-Vacuum oil company, a predecessor of Exxon Mobil Corp. But the Jennings family denies any connection, said a grandson, Brewster Jennings, a real estate investor in Durango, Colo. He said that since the firm was named as a CIA front he's heard from many friends and family members who "find tremendous humor in all this."

http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2003/10/10/apparent_cia_front_didnt_offer_much_cover/



Edmonds and Plame. It's all about the same things, drugs, arms sales and oil. All methods of profit for American Judas.

[Pallas180]

95. They could & are brushing off Plame, but they can't brush off Sibel's

charges of "elected officials would go to jail".

[Pallas180]

96. Sibel has been busy :

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=35915

Whistleblowers Call for Disclosure of Government's Iraq Deceit; Ellsberg, Former CIA, FBI Officials Say Americans Need Full Disclosure of Lies, Cover-ups, and War's Projected Costs in Livesand Dollars


"Ellsberg, best known for releasing the Pentagon Papers to Congress and the press in 1971, was joined at a Washington press conference by Ray McGovern, formerly an analyst for 27 years at the CIA, who provided several presidential staffs with their daily morning security briefings; Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator who was fired for revealing security lapses at the FBI; and Coleen Rowley, one of Time magazine's Persons of the Year as a Whistleblower, currently a Special Agent in the FBI's Minneapolis field office."

"The Call and press conference are part of Ellsberg's ongoing work with the Truth Telling Project (more information at www.truthtellingproject.org). The conference is also sponsored by the Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence, which has given its annual Award to Colleen Rowley and Katharine Gun (who will also be present at the conference) and, last night at American University, to Sibel Edmonds."

[Pallas180]

97. INFAMY PEARL HARBOR AND THE COMING OUTRAGE

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0910-06.htm

Apparently half of the American public or more believe there is a cover-up of the real "actors" involved in the execution of 9-11.

Unlike the other half who adhere to the Bush bushit (and continue to stick their heads - uhm I won't say where) those who are intelligent enough to question the large gaps in information and question the continuing 9-11 commission deletions and Ashcroft gag orders on those who do have the most revealing information and the conflicts of interests of the 9-11 Commission members who have ties to oil companies, these non-believers of the official bushit are neither "conspiracy freaks" nor "pinko-leftist loonies".

One wonders why some "supposed democrats" are denigrating researchers of the gaps and strange occurrences of 9-11. Some go as far as to pretend they have degrees in psychoanalysis, and can thus state with their self aggrandizing false "authority" that those who believe this government was responsible for the World Trade Center tragedy are suffering delusional episodes.

We who post here do believe there are delusional episodes, but it is of this administration and their co- conspirators,and not the populace that refuses to be force fed lies and pap.

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Infamy: Pearl Harbor, 911 and the Coming Outrage
by Heather Wokusch

Three years after 911, we still have no real clarity about "whodunit" let alone "whatdunit" - and if history is any indication, it could be decades before the truth is finally revealed.

But the Armageddon dreams of our nation's leaders mandate a more urgent timeframe.

Were 19 hijackers armed with box cutters really responsible for the WTC/Pentagon carnage? Seems increasingly implausible, as does the administration's claim of no prior knowledge. Remember Bush's comment about watching the first airplane hit the WTC before the second airplane even made impact? What video feed does he have anyway? The rest of us sure didn't see that live on our TVs.

As sick as it seems, it wouldn't be the first time a US administration has furthered its own political ambitions through attacks on American citizens.

Take Pearl Harbor. The official story (long ago discredited, yet still touted in Hollywood B-movies) was that Japanese forces caught the US totally off guard when they brutally attacked on December 7, 1941.

It was probably a lie. Many historians believe that members of Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration actually knew about the impending assault, and just let the carnage roll in order to get the US public primed for war with Japan.

In his 1982 book 'Infamy: Pearl Harbor and Its Aftermath', Pulitzer-prize winner John Toland reveals that almost everything the Japanese were planning to do "was known to the United States" on the morning of the attack, via intercepted messages never communicated to commanders at Pearl Harbor. He cites the case of US counterintelligence translator Dorothy Edgers who uncovered critical Japanese messages days before the assault, including "a scheme of signals regarding the movement and exact position of warships and carriers in Pearl Harbor." But Edgers' boss, Alwin Kramer, seemed "more annoyed than electrified" at the discovery and ordered her to "run along home." Unbeknownst to Edgers, Kramer was part of the subterfuge.

We all know what happened next. Japanese bombs rained down on the US naval vessels and aircraft poised like sitting ducks at Pearl Harbor, and the ensuing bloodbath left over 2,400 US service members and civilians dead. The following day, Congress voted overwhelmingly to give FDR all of the resources he wanted to wage war with Japan.

The parallels with 911 are stunning.

Today's Edgers is Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who was fired in March 2002 after exposing corruption at a critical FBI counterintelligence unit. Among Edmonds' charges: supervisors covered for a colleague who was smuggling sensitive documents out of FBI headquarters in order to protect contacts in "semi-legit" organizations. When Edmonds started speaking out about this stunning breach of national security, Attorney General John Ashcroft slapped her with a gag order.

Even worse, Bush's 911 Commission didn't address any of Edmonds' accusations, including her closed-door testimony that in April 2001, a long-term FBI informant had revealed "Osama Bin Laden was planning a major terrorist attack in the United States, targeting 4-5 major cities," and that "the attack was going to involve airplanes."

You've got to wonder - if the 911 Commission left out that crucial tidbit, then what else did it fail to mention?

But the whole inquiry was a farce from the start. Appointing Henry Kissinger (notorious for covering up US involvement with murderous South American dictatorships) as chairman was the first clue. Replacing him with former New Jersey governor Thomas Kean was the second.

According to Fortune magazine (Jan. 22 2003), "Kean appears to have a bizarre link to the very terror network he's investigating - al Qaeda . Kean is a director of petroleum giant Amerada Hess, which in 1998 formed a joint venture - known as Delta Hess - with Delta Oil, a Saudi Arabian company, to develop oil fields in Azerbaijan. One of Delta's backers is Khalid bin Mahfouz, a shadowy Saudi patriarch married to one of Osama bin Laden's sisters. Mahfouz, who is suspected of funding charities linked to al Qaeda, is even named as a defendant in a lawsuit filed by families of Sept. 11 victims."

For the record, bin Mahfouz denies bin Laden is his brother-in-law and also denies ever having had ownership interest in Delta Oil. Interesting coincidence though that Hess severed ties with Delta just three weeks before Kean was appointed to the 911 Commission.

Another interesting coincidence: 28 pages of the inquiry's final report, covering "specific sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers," were blanked out. According to an official quoted in The New Republic (Aug. 1 2003), "There's a lot more in the 28 pages than money . We're talking about a coordinated network that reaches right from the hijackers to multiple places in the Saudi government."

Very murky indeed. And a third interesting coincidence surrounds the deadly anthrax-laced letters that hit the nation within weeks of 911. While "shocked" administration members were quick to blame Osama bin Laden and/or Saddam Hussein, they failed to mention one intriguing point: claims that Bush's staff had started taking Cipro, an anthrax-treatment drug, weeks before the attacks occurred.

According to the public-interest group Judicial Watch: "In October 2001, press reports revealed that White House staff had been on a regimen of the powerful antibiotic Cipro since the September 11th terrorist attacks." Judicial Watch Chairman Larry Klayman notes, "One doesn't simply start taking a powerful antibiotic for no good reason. The American people are entitled to know what the White House staffers knew."

While the anthrax attacks have never been solved, the Bush administration has had some clear results: increased justification to reduce civil liberties, to rev up biodefense spending and to create more hysteria around the need to invade Iraq.

The idea of using civilian casualties for political gain was codified in Operation Northwoods, a 1960's plan by top US military brass to orchestrate terrorism in American cities and blame it on Castro, thereby creating public support for a war with Cuba. More recently, the September 2000 neocon guidebook, Rebuilding America's Defenses, claims "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor" would help speed up the process of transforming the US into "tomorrow's dominant force."

So it's no surprise that over the past four years, we've learned to pay attention when the Bush administration and its minions in the press start dropping hints about the next big attack. They've most recently floated the idea of a catastrophic October Surprise assault, which they suggest could necessitate postponing the election. One official warned, "I can tell you one thing, we won't be like Spain," in an apparent reference to the conservative ruling party's having lost power days after the Madrid train bombings.

But Spain's election was a high-turnout, democratic contest in which voters fair and square booted an unpopular, lying, war-mongering administration. Why can't US voters have the same chance?

Another apparent option is a strike on Iran, maybe preceded by a stateside assault blamed on Tehran. A raving Washington Post column (July 23 2004) summed it up with:


"Did we invade the wrong country? One of the lessons being drawn from the Sept. 11 report is that Iran was the real threat. It had links to al Qaeda, allowed some of the Sept. 11 hijackers to transit and is today harboring al Qaeda leaders . If nothing is done, a fanatical terrorist regime openly dedicated to the destruction of the 'Great Satan' will have both nuclear weapons and the terrorists and missiles to deliver them. All that stands between us and that is either revolution or preemptive strike."
Of course, the recent Pentagon spy scandal (in which top-secret presidential policy papers on Iran were reportedly leaked to Israeli officials) may put a damper on this alternative. The scandal highlights the neocons' power struggle with other administration members, and until that battle is decided, there won't be consensus enough to invade Iran. But if Israel does decide to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities, then chances are strong Bush will jump in too, and we could be looking at WWIII.

As a sidelight, there's an interesting connection between the Pentagon spy scandal and September 11th: allegations that Israeli intelligence may have known about the 911 attacks in advance and not told the United States. In December 2001, Fox News ran a four-part series suggesting that Israeli intelligence may have had prior knowledge of the attack, through its spying on Arabs in the United States.

So where does all of this leave us as the third anniversary of 911 approaches? With more questions than answers. Whodunnit? Should we blame Osama and the hijackers, Saudi funders, Israeli intelligence agents, the Bush administration or some combination? And Whatdunnit? Was it airplanes, bombs, missiles, or some combination? And when will we ever learn the truth?

Following the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor and the ensuing cover-up, President Roosevelt's Chief of Staff reportedly told other officers, "Gentlemen, this goes to the grave with us."

Unfortunately, today it seems that the president and his staff are busily digging our graves in order to satisfy their own grandiose power grabs.

This outrage must stop.

[RebelYell]

102. Pearl Harbor was the topic of the beginning of the end

on the Plame threads.

I have the damn McCollum memos obtained through the FOIA. It was LIHOP at LEAST. McCollum sent a memo to FDR with 8 points on how to provoke Japan into attacking us. All 8 points were put into place by FDR. How much more proof does anyone need?

A lot of the shit hitting the fan in the past few months has been previously called "tin foil". Something happens to people when they're confronted with evil. A curtain falls. Nothing in the World pisses me off more than trying to get someone to see the master plan and won't listen to reason. That's why I give up. I get pissed.

Oh yeah...Hi everyone. Great work as usual. :hi:

[Pallas180]

103. HEY TEB - turn on PBS now. just said Azberjain & Georgia corridor

are the key to the pipeline - without those countries - no pipeline -
no Caspian....now 1000 miles through Turkey too...boy oh boy..we gotta
look at allthose chamber of commerces.

What a coincidence it's on after we have written about it in Sibel ...if only people would realize this is what it's about..

HEY great to have you back. but dont miss this tv program PBS

[RebelYell]

105. I threw out my TV many years ago

It was a 30 year old Sony 19" color model (before remote control). TV influences your decision making ability. :tinfoilhat: I have to look into getting some Alcoa stocks.

And besides...the media ain't got nuthin' on you guys.

[Pallas180]

108. Character counts. And

my good buddy - you got plenty of character. LOL

I did that once....didnt throw out the tv, but just never watched --people would talk about things that I had no recognition of - they'd look at me like I was totally out of it - the second time I stopped watching news on tv - almost got me into a lot of trouble - I agree, it's less aggravating to not be bombarded with the garbage, on the other hand, it's a societal thermometer or barometer - good for taking the temperature of the society.

For example, people on DU are always talking about the Daily Show.
I've never seen it yet, cause I can't figure out what station or time
it is....

Hey REB, do you listen to the radio?

glad you're here anyway. We need characters. LOL

:hi:

:evilgrin:

[RebelYell]

120. No radio except NOAA or classical music stations

We play music and read instead of tv or radio. We do have an 11" black and white tv in the garage that my husband uses to watches the World Series using rabbit ears. We're both non-conformists.

[robertpaulsen]

121. Hey RebelYell! Welcome back!

I started a thread several months back on the topic of FDR's LIHOP. Some people understood the inference I was trying to make, others accused me of being a freeper.

I wish you had been around to contribute to that thread. Check it out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1488213

[RebelYell]

123. Hi, RP!

I'm off to read your thread.

[robertpaulsen]

98. Monday morning kick

Justed wanted to put this back at the top for discussion. Still need to read all the posts, but looks like we've got some good ones!

:kick:

[kohodog]

100. Looking foreward to the post "Here Comes the Sun: The Plame indictments."

I can't wait for that stage of our investigation.

I stopped by Barnes and Noble today and looked through the book "911 a Timeline." Looks fascinating and I'm wondering if anyone here has read it. RP, might be up your alley.

Ended up getting Sy Hersh's book "Chain of command" because of a limited budget and my admiration of his writing in the New Yorker.

[Pallas180]

101. Isnt "911 A Timeline" written by a DU'er ? and

it's in Barnes & Noble?

I'd say that's pretty hot stuff

[Pallas180]

104. Name of this thread is not "Beating a Dead Horse" its BEYOND Plame,

for a reason :)

Of course we could always start a thread - Plame, Beating A Dead Horse.... <grin>

there's a time to move on - some know it, and some dont..ayep.

[Pallas180]

106. The name of the program was : EXTREME OIL-THE PIPELINE..

WOW we need a transcript!!!

We, Schraby, Zan, Robert, Reb are absolutely right on with Sibel and
the motivations...

Did you hear the Turkish peasant farmer say "we wish we could have some of the profits of the oil"?

They had planned to go through farmer's land and pay them a pittance, which is wealth to them, and then changed the plans....probably to go through lands not owned....

Whoever has control of those countries has control of the pipelines..
America is trying to put in their puppets, Chechnyans are fighting to
have their own government and to get a piece of the wealth - as are other countries....

since it is American oil companies mostly and lesser the British, you can see who is going to be fighting wars.

If I had an army age child, I would tell them to refuse to go. Take the year in jail, leave the country, but dont help private companies
enrich themselves by fighting their oil wars.

What they all and we as citizens should demanding and be doing is tooling up and changing over machines to use corn oil. It has been done, it is possible..but then farmers would be rich and not oil companies, so oil companies and oil administrations would rather use
children who are not theirs as cannon fodder.

[shraby]

107. I read in another thread about

that woman in England who leaked some papers to the press has joined with Daniel Ellsberg and Sibel Edmonds to encourage leakers to come forth. Don't have the link.

[Pallas180]

109. Hi Shraby. I saw Colleen Rowley, FBI gal has joined them - but dont

remember anything about English gal.

What did she do?

[shraby]

110. Can't remember the particulars

but before we invaded Iraq or thereabouts she gave some damning papers to the newspapers.

Here is an interesting paragraph from Justin Raimondo at antiwar.

Blitzer flung this canard at Buchanan, who protested that there are plenty of neoconservatives who are not Jewish, naming Bill Bennett, Jeanne Kirkpatrick, and others. The disdainfully knowing look on Blitzer's face was just begging to be wiped off, and if it had been me, I would have included in the list one Larry Franklin, the neocon ideologue, devout Catholic, and upper echelon Pentagon official recently identified as a spy for Israel. Blitzer, a former employee of AIPAC, which has been directly implicated in the spy imbroglio, would probably have imploded onscreen – and what a pretty sight that would have been.

<http://antiwar.com/justin/>

Sorry, I misread the sentence about Blitzer. This is an interesting read though.

[Pallas180]

112. Wow. Wolfie worked for Aipac? No wonder he's pro neo-con - cheezus

pretty incredible. They're into everything and everywhere..

[Zan_of_Texas]

154. Here's the press release on the whistleblowers.

I believe Katharine Gun is the one you're referring to.


For Immediate Release Contact: Kawana Lloyd, Jessica Smith or Steve Smith
September 9, 2004 Fenton Communications [phone]

WHISTLEBLOWERS CALL FOR DISCLOSURE OF GOVERNMENT’S IRAQ DECEIT

Ellsberg, Former CIA, FBI Officials Say Americans Need Full Disclosure of Lies, Cover-ups, and War’s Projected Costs in Lives & Dollars

(Washington, DC) Daniel Ellsberg, joined today by ten former employees of the FBI, CIA, State and Defense Departments, issued a call to current government officials to disclose classified information that is being wrongly withheld, about plans for and estimated costs of the war in Iraq, and other documents that contradict government lies.

The “call”, in the form of an open memo to current government employees, says “It is time for unauthorized truth-telling.” Drawing the clear parallel to Vietnam, the group urges that ongoing silence about government deceptions and cover-ups and reluctance to publicize information about the war’s costs and projected casualties carries with it a significant price in human life and national security.
The group released a list of existing documents wrongly withheld within the government as examples of the kind that the public has a right to see. These include background on Army Staff estimates before the war that the Iraq effort would require several hundred thousand troops. Similarly, current estimates of potential casualty rates as the insurgency in Iraq continues to grow as well as the likely cost of waging war over the next few years almost surely exist, and should be disclosed now.

To current government officials, Ellsberg says: “If you have documentary evidence that our country has been lied into an unnecessary, wrongful, endless war-as I had during Vietnam-I urge you to consider doing right now what I wish I had done years earlier than I did: give the truth to Congress and the press, with copies of those documents. The personal costs you risk are great, but you may save many Americans from being lied to death.”

Ray McGovern adds: “Truth. Never in the past 50 years has it been in such short supply in theUS defense/intelligence community. Yet it is the truth--once known--that will keep us free. Truth-tellers, arise!”

Ellsberg, best known for releasing the Pentagon Papers to Congress and the press in 1971, was joined at a Washington press conference by Ray McGovern, formerly an analyst for 27 years at the CIA, who provided several presidential staffs with their daily morning security briefings; Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator who was fired for revealing security lapses at the FBI; and Coleen Rowley, one of Time magazine’s Persons of the Year as a Whistleblower, currently a Special Agent in the FBI’s Minneapolis field office.
The Call and press conference are part of Ellsberg’s ongoing work with the Truth Telling Project (more information at www.truthtellingproject.org <http://www.truthtellingproject.org/>).

The conference is also sponsored by the Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence, which has given its annual Award to Colleen Rowley and Katharine Gun (who will also be present at the conference) and, last night at American University, to Sibel Edmonds.
Gun, a former translator with the British equivalent of the NSA, was fired after leaking sensitive information to the British press about efforts to “surge” intercept capability against members of the UN Security Council. Gun was acquitted of charges of violating England’s Official Secrets Act. Another participant is Major Frank Grevil, of the Danish Intelligence Service, who faces trial for releasing his estimates that revealed lack of evidence of WMDs in Iraq, contradicting his country’s involvement in efforts to distort intelligence in order to support the war.

Other signers of the Call-including Mary Ann Wright, who resigned as Deputy Chief of Mission in Mongolia over the war-- will also be present, along with Ann Beeson of the ACLU and Beth Daly of the Project on Government Oversight (POGO).

###
APPEAL TO: Current Government Officials:
FROM: Concerned Alumni

SUBJECT: Truth

It is time for unauthorized truth-telling.

Citizens cannot make informed choices if they do not have the facts-for example, the facts that have been wrongly concealed about the ongoing war in Iraq: the real reasons behind it, the prospective costs in blood and treasure, and the setback it has dealt to efforts to stem terrorism. Administration deception and cover-up on these vital matters has so far been all too successful in misleading the public.

Many Americans are too young to remember Vietnam. Then, as now, senior government officials did not tell the American people the truth. Now, as then, insiders who know better have kept their silence, as the country was misled into the most serious foreign policy disaster since Vietnam.

Some of you have documentation of wrongly concealed facts and analyses that-if brought to light-would impact heavily on public debate regarding crucial matters of national security, both foreign and domestic. We urge you to provide that information now, both to Congress and, through the media, to the public.

Thanks to our First Amendment, there is in America no broad Officials Secrets Act, nor even a statutory basis for the classification system. Only very rarely would it be appropriate to reveal information of the three types whose disclosure has been expressly criminalized by Congress: communications intelligence, nuclear data, and the identity of US intelligence operatives. However, this administration has stretched existing criminal laws to cover other disclosures in ways never contemplated by Congress.
There is a growing network of support for whistleblowers. In particular, for anyone who wishes to know the legal implications of disclosures they may be contemplating, the ACLU stands ready to provide pro bono legal counsel, with lawyer-client privilege. The Project on Government Oversight (POGO) will offer advice on whistleblowing, dissemination and relations with the media.

Needless to say, any unauthorized disclosure that exposes your superiors to embarrassment entails personal risk. Should you be identified as the source, the price could be considerable, including loss of career and possibly even prosecution. Some of us know from experience how difficult it is to countenance such costs. But continued silence brings an even more terrible cost, as our leaders persist in a disastrous course and young Americans come home in coffins or with missing limbs.


This is precisely what happened at this comparable stage in the Vietnam War. Some of us live with profound regret that we did not at that point expose the administration’s dishonesty and perhaps prevent the needless slaughter of 50,000 more American troops and some 2 to 3 million Vietnamese over the next ten years. We know how misplaced loyalty to bosses, agencies, and careers can obscure the higher allegiance all government officials owe the Constitution, the sovereign public, and the young men and women put in harm’s way. We urge you to act on those higher loyalties.

A hundred forty thousand young Americans are risking their lives every day in Iraq for dubious purpose. Our country has urgent need of comparable moral courage from its public officials. Truth-telling is a patriotic and effective way to serve the nation. The time for speaking out is now.

SIGNATORIES
Call to Patriotic Truth Telling

Edward Costello, Former Special Agent (Counterintelligence), Federal Bureau of Investigation
Sibel Edmonds, Former Language Specialist, Federal Bureau of Investigation
Daniel Ellsberg, Former official, U.S. Departments of Defense and State
John D. Heinberg, Former Economist, Employment and Training Administration, U.S. Department of Labor
Larry C. Johnson, Former Deputy Director for Anti-Terrorism Assistance, Transportation Security, and Special Operations, Department of State, Office of the Coordinator for Counter Terrorism
John Brady Kiesling, Former Political Counselor, U.S. Embassy, Athens, Department of State
David MacMichael, Former Senior Estimates Officer, National Intelligence Council, Central Intelligence Agency
Ray McGovern, Former Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency
Philip G. Vargas, Ph.D., J.D., Dir. Privacy & Confidentiality Study, Commission on Federal Paperwork (Author/Director: "The Vargas Report on Government Secrecy" -- CENSORED)
Ann Wright, Retired U.S. Army Reserve Colonel and U.S. Foreign Service Officer
###

Twelve Examples of Existing Documents That Deserve Unauthorized Disclosure

Each of these-wrongly withheld up till now--could and should be released almost in their entirety, perhaps with minor deletions for genuine security reasons. (In many cases, official promises to release declassified versions have not been honored.)

1. Reports by International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) on Guantanamo, Abu Ghrab and other prisons (ships, prisons in other countries) that hold prisoners from the “war on terrorism”. (These reports have been provided to the US government but have not been made public.)
2. 28 pages redacted from the report of the Joint House-Senate Inquiry on Intelligence Activities before and after 9/11, concerning the ties between the 9/11 terrorists and the government of Saudi Arabia.
3. 800 pages of the United Nations Report on Weapons of Mass Destruction that were taken by the United States during unauthorized Xeroxing and never given to the Security Council members. (The original report was 1200 pages in length but has never been published in its entirety)
4. Membership, advisors, consultants to Vice President Cheney’s Energy Task Force, and any minutes from meetings (January - December, 2001).
5. Documents and photographs concerning/produced by military doctors or medical personnel that document abuses toward prisoners condoned by medical personnel.
6. Documents produced by military lawyers and legal staff that challenge the political policy makers decision to undercut the Geneva Conventions and any other extra-legal procedures.
7. The missing sections of the US Army General Taguba report on prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan.
8. Department of Justice-Inspector General (DOJ-IG) Report: RE: Sibel Edmonds vs. FBI, completed, classified
9. DOJ-IG Report: RE: FBI Translation Department (security breaches, intentional mistranslations, espionage charges), completed, classified
10. DOJ-IG Report: RE:FBI & Foreknowledge of 9/11, completed, classified
11. Full staff backup to General Shinseki’s 2002 estimate that “several hundred thousand troops” would be required for effective occupation of Iraq.
12. The full 2002 State Department studies on requirements for the postwar occupation and restoration of civil government in Iraq.
---------------------

[Al-CIAda]

111. Keep hunting for the truth

IN REMEMBERANCE OF THE 3RD ANNIVERSARY OF THE 911 ATTACKS - WE PRESENT THIS INITIAL DISCLOSURE

From: LetsRoll911 Investigative Group & LetsRoll911.Org

Subject: Direct evidence that 911 WAS an Inside Job involving, at least in part, official complicity within certain levels of the United States Government.

Introduction:

Our investigative group has been gathering and investigating all of the evidence related to the 911 attacks for quite some time. The impetus for this investigation started when certain anomalies and contradictions were observed between the “official” 911 government story and the direct evidence. It became rapidly apparent that the clear conflict existed between the “official” government story, and what the direct scientific and video evidence clearly showed.

Our group consists of citizens from the United States, and from many other nations as well, and it includes attorneys, law enforcement / police officers, criminal investigators, pilots, aircraft specialists, photo analysts, and many, many others.

We have now issued our first disclosure of this inculpatory evidence. Additional evidence continues to be obtained, analyzed, and investigated, however we felt it necessary to compile and release this first disclosure in the extreme interest of national and global security.

The ramifications and conclusions of this evidence are not at all pleasant; they are in fact astoundingly dangerous and gravely disturbing. So much so, that we have observed at times, persons may review this direct evidence and cannot mentally or emotionally accept these findings of fact due to Cognitive Dissonance. This is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already think you know or what you believe to be true, and new information or interpretation which conflicts with those preconceived beliefs.

Our first disclosure herein clearly shows that there is probable cause to provide formal notice of the following as applicable:
_____________________________________________________________

NOTICE OF PROBABLE CAUSE AS TO CRIMINAL AND CIVIL VIOLATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES CODE (U.S.C.) AS AGAINST THE UNITED STATES, ITS CITIZENS, AND OTHER PERSONS UNDER AS MAY BE RELEVENT OR APPLICABLE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO: U.S.C, TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 1: Sec. 2. · Sec. 3. · Sec. 4.; CHAPTER 19: · Sec. 371. · Sec. 372. · Sec. 373.; CHAPTER 37: · Sec. 792. · Sec. 793. · Sec. 794. · Sec. 798.; CHAPTER 51: Sec. 1111. · Sec. 1113. · Sec. 1114. · Sec. 1117; and applicable sections of: CHAPTER 73; CHAPTER 79; CHAPTER 96; CHAPTER 105; CHAPTER 113B; CHAPTER 115; CHAPTER 18; CHAPTER 13; CHAPTER 11; CHAPTER 7; CHAPTER 5; CHAPTER 39; CHAPTER 41; CHAPTER 47; CHAPTER 55 CHAPTER113. et seq.

And more specifically, as applicable:
U.S.C, TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 1: sec. 4. - Misprision of felony:
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Dear Respondent:

You have received the following submitted and enclosed evidence exhibits as you are a person of vital importance as to the truth of these matters, as well as to any potential and viable course of remedial action. The evidence contained herein has been compiled and verified by numerous investigators and researchers, and includes evidence of a circumstantial, direct, and scientific nature. It is very important that you review this evidence thoroughly. Upon reviewing this evidence, only you can determine your most appropriate and lawful next course of action, as may be within your capacity, discretion, authority, or abilities. Indeed, the evidence contained herein if presented to any independent grand jury would result in certain indictments as to the suspects involved, and at bare minimum the evidence justifies initiating the most massive independent criminal investigation in the history of the United States, if not in the history of the world.

A Clear and Present Danger:

These evidentiary exhibits indicate that this is a matter of extreme urgency and gravity, affecting both current and future national security and global security. You may well determine after reviewing the enclosed exhibits that our nation, as well as other global nations, face a clear and present danger from very powerful domestic enemies within the United States, acting in concert with their counterparts in certain other foreign nations; nations which claim to be our allies. It also may very likely require high levels of courage, insight, strength, determination, true patriotism, and moral clarity in order to face and combat this threat. Let there be no doubt. The threat to the United States, and indeed to the world as a whole, is greater than any other faced in history. This is due to several enemy agents / perpetrators being stationed domestically, and occupying high-level defense, intelligence, and other official positions. The highly coordinated psychological operation (psy-ops) carried out by the 911 attacks could not have succeeded so well if not for the aid and comfort provided by the American mass media. Any person who has a substantial military, intelligence, law enforcement, or other relevant background, combined with the insight to clearly see the evidence and its implications, will also understand the extreme gravity and danger this situation represents.

What We Cannot Allow:

We cannot allow fear, partisan politics, intimidation, or any other such factor, to prevent action by any lawful means necessary. This domestic enemy and the danger it represents, cannot be overcome via military means, although credible military and other sources indicate that certain sectors of the armed forces and their commanders, who being aware of much of the unsuppressed evidence, do have contingency plans drafted to place under military arrest the domestic perpetrators, especially in the event another domestic terror attack is carried out within our nation. Any future major terror attack upon the United States, or even in any other nation, must be considered as involving the suspects implicated by the evidence contained herein.

What We Must Do:

Unity, organization, disclosure, and public awareness are the primary weapons to combating this clear and present danger. In this extreme situation, we are being called to defend our country from all enemies, whether foreign and/or most especially domestic. We must coordinate closely with those elected officials who are open to considering this evidence. We must also use the strength of numbers to provide protection for others, in that the perpetrators will not hesitate to kill again if they face exposure or if it would serve their agenda. This is not a partisan issue, a democrat vs. republican, or a liberal vs. conservative issue. Such petty conflicts pale into absolute insignificance under the weight of these implications. Using the clear evidence and facts, via the public forum and media, is where we must…. draw our clear and bright line in the sand.


Primary Inculpatory Evidence:

911 IPS:
www.911inplanesite.com

Remote Targeting Laser:
http://copywriting.com/video/

LetsRoll911.org - generally

To view 911 IPS, immediately, available here:
http://www.hypertorrent.com/

Type in "in plane site"
Should be 3 versions available now, SVCD, VHS and DVD copy.

If you currently don't have any Bittorrent program installed, use ABC < Yet Another Bittorrent Client >

http://pingpong-abc.sourceforge.net/

Multiple Perspective Comparative Analysis/Framework, (a brief overview + additional info. See pages 7 and 8)
http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1744&sid=86685844d1b7d31f47d50aee6c4c5e67

The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin:
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/print.php?id=141355
(NOTE: Click on link, the click REFRESH on your browser application to open the page.)

6 Questions, and DOD response:

http://www.policestate21.com/dod.htm

The Pentagon was NOT hit by a 757 airliner:
http://pages.infinit.net/noc/pentagon.swf


We have not forgotten…911 was an Inside Job:
http://911digitalarchive.org/special/tribute.swf


Respectfully Yours: LetsRoll911.org

[Pallas180]

113. Hello Al. Very interesting. We think we've

found two very large chunks of the truth of the matter.

One chunk as explained in American Judas.

The other chunk of truth, motivation, and "who benefits" was discovered by the researchers who post on this thread and also wrote the "Sibel speaks Farsi" thread.

The answer to why is oil. Oil and pipelines. Even China is a part of it. And certainly it's bigger than anyone thought.

And Putin may not be far off for blaming the "West" for the murder of
the Russian people.

Russia is entitled to half the Caspian Sea Oil. In order to get it he must have a cooperative Georgia and Chechnya.

The American and English and consortium oil companies already have their pipelines going through the areas. " Why should they share with
Russia " I imagine is what is on their mind.

Please do read:(sometimes you have to right click and open in a new window)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2238307


Here's the crux of the matter from that thread- and the map of the pertinent area in the Middle East, Stans, & Caucuses is printed above in one of the posts.

This is THE answer.



2239847, Schraby, on #20 we found the Aberzjain Chamber of Commerce
Posted by Pallas180 on Thu Aug-19-04 11:06 PM

and Cheney and some other well known names were on it.

First I laughed, at the thought of Cheney on the Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce, and wondered why he would be there , and then
you posted something above that Sibel Edmonds said, and I think it's a bingo:

Criminal Infiltration: The Mysterious "Semi-Legitimate Organizations"

DN: At several points you state that such organized crime networks employ "semi-legitimate organizations" as their point of interface with governments and the "legit" world. Can you explain exactly what you mean?

SE: These are organizations that might have a legitimate front – say as a business, or a cultural center or something. And we've also heard a lot about Islamic charities as fronts for terrorist organizations, but the range is much broader and even, simpler.

CD: For example?

SE: You might have an organization supposed to be promoting the cultural affairs of a certain country within another country. Hypothetically, say, an Uzbek folklore society based in Germany. The stated purpose would be to hold folklore-related activities – and they might even do that – but the real activities taking place behind the scenes are criminal.

CD: Such as?

SE: Everything – from drugs to money laundering to arms sales. And yes, there are certain convergences with all these activities and international terrorism.

CD: So with these organizations we're talking about a lot of money –

SE: Huge, just massive. They don't deal with 1 million or 5 million dollars, but with hundreds of millions.
********

What could be a better cover than a Chamber of Commerce, which is supposed to promote business? a semi-legitimate promoting the cultural affairs.

Unless I'm mistaken there were Pakistanis on the Azerbaijan Chamber of
Commerce also.

I'll try to find my post.





2239896, Take a deep breath and look at the membership:
Posted by Pallas180 on Thu Aug-19-04 11:17 PM


http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=US-Azerbai...


US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce

According to the official web site, United States-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (USACC) is an "independent, non-profit American organization, whose purpose is to facilitate business and cooperation between the American people and the people of Azerbaijan." USACC is a nonprofit corporation in the District of Columbia and is recognized as a 501 (c)(6) tax-exempt organization under the Internal Revenue Code.


Table of contents
1 Goals

2 Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center

2.1 Officers

3 Contact

4 External Links




Goals
The stated goals of the USACC are:


To facilitate and encourage trade and investment in Azerbaijan;

To provide a forum for members to interact with policy makers from Azerbaijan and the United States as well as with non-governmental experts.

To serve as a liaison with governmental and non-governmental entities, business organizations, think tanks, and to encourage cooperation and information exchange;

To provide reliable information and networking services and create an environment where partnerships and exchanges thrive;

To sponsor educational programs, trade missions, seminars, conferences and publications to foster cultural and business interests;

To create more understanding and knowledge about the Republic of Azerbaijan in the United States through the Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center; and

To develop and maintain humanitarian programs for the refugee population of Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center
The USACC also owns and operates The Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center, which is a "four-story historic building ... located in the heart of Georgetown at 1212 Potomac Street." The Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center was inaugurated by His Excellency Heydar Aliyev, President, Republic of Azerbaijan on September 11, 2000.


Officers
Honorary Council of Advisors

James Addison Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Richard Bruce Dick Cheney (resigned November 2000)

Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu
Chairman Emeritus

T. Don Stacy
Co-Chairman of the Board

Tim Cejka
Reza Vaziri
Vice-Chairman of the Board

James A. Baker IV
Board of Directors

Richard Armitage (resigned February 2001)

Farhad Azima
Betty Blair
Howard Chase
Don Condon
Stanley Escudero
Nader Fahm
Andrew Fawthrop
Mike Kostiw
David Sambrooks
Gregory K. Williams
Board of Trustees

Abdullah Akyuz
Ilham Aliyev
Graham Allison
Sam Brownback
Frank Henke
Richard Moncrief
Hafiz Pashayev
Richard N. Perle
Joseph R. Pitts
John Roberts
Stephen Robertson
Nancy Tuomey
Frank Verrastro
Officers

Theodore Ted Jonas, Legal Counsel & Secretary

Karl Mattison, Treasurer

Seymour Khalilov, Executive Director


Contact
US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce
1212 Potomac Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20007
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
E-mail: [e-mail]
http://www.usacc.org/chamber/prof-about.htm



External Links

Announcing The US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce, Azerbaijan International, Spring 1996. "The Chamber extends deep appreciation to the following companies which have contributed to its establishment: Amoco, BP America, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil, Occidental, Panalpina, and Unocal."
Caspian Watch # 5: Senator Byrd Takes the Lead in Securing U.S. Access To 200 Billion Barrels of Oil in the Caspian Sea, Center for Security Policy, February 1997. "This conference, sponsored by the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (USACC), involved some 300 participants, including in addition to Senator Robert Byrd: former Secretary of Defense Richard Bruce Dick Cheney, former Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard N. Perle, former Deputy Energy Secretary William White, U.S. Ambassador to Azerbaijan Richard Kauzlarich, Azerbaijan's Ambassador to the U.S. Hafiz Pashayev and the former U.S. mediator on the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict Ambassador John
Maresca."

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Isn't anybody wondering what such heavy hitters, including Perle and some other well known former senators and government people, are doing
on some little country nobody ever heard of Chamber of Commerce?

[Pallas180]

114. Al- you've put a lot of work into your site - however

I also don't see any bomblike figure under the photo of the plane-
as a matter of fact a few months ago I must have seen 500 or more planes flying not more than 2500 feet overhead with their "missile"/bombs" on their undercarriage.

I don;t know that it's a sight I'd want to see again, nevertheless
what you suppose to be a bomb on the undercarriage of the 757? is much
too wide/fat to be similar to what I have seen.

Although I do believe this country has internal enemies in government,
some of the authors on your site go a bit far. The emphasis seems to
be on Zionist plotters - when in fact our research shows oil/multinational corporations in conjunction with much larger countries and governments. I can assure you that the oil companies and
CEO's in the majority are Wasps - White American Protestants - although they do let some Catholics in such as Jack Welch former CEO of General Electric - <smile>

I think we can all agree that the WTC attack was not what it seemed to be - but I can't agree with the motivations you present.

It is unfortunate that the right wing crackpots have come into control of most of the countries of the world, but most of the countries of the world are not run by right wing Zionists; just right wing wackos.

[Pallas180]

115. That Sibel Is Something Else: "Hear Me Roar, I Am Woman"

Government agencies roasted for screw-ups in war on "terror"

The 25 signed a letter to Congress—organized by Sibel Edmonds, the former FBI whistleblower who is blocked from telling what she knows by a Justice Department gag order—citing "intentional actions or inaction by individuals responsible for our national security, actions or inaction dictated by motives other than the security of the people of the United States."



This Village Voice article begins:

WASHINGTON, D.C.—A group of 25 former federal employees directly involved in the government's counterintelligence and counterterrorism programs held a press conference here this morning to lambaste both the 9-11 Commission and the Bush administration for failing to hold government officials accountable for failures leading up to 9-11.

The ex-employees, from the FBI, CIA, FAA, Customs, and the Defense Intelligence Agency, had firsthand knowledge of their agencies' activities in counterintelligence and counterterrorism. Bogdan Dzakovic, a former special agent at the FAA, said he repeatedly sought to warn his superiors of mismanagement and the dangers of terrorism, but to no avail. He was a leader of a "Red Team" at FAA, engaged in preparing for terrorist attacks. But he said the security measures in his agency were "little more than window dressing," and quoted one frustrated colleague as saying, "The FAA is so screwed up I don't know where to begin."

...

The 25 signed a letter to Congress—organized by Sibel Edmonds, the former FBI whistleblower who is blocked from telling what she knows by a Justice Department gag order—citing "intentional actions or inaction by individuals responsible for our national security, actions or inaction dictated by motives other than the security of the people of the United States."

The 9-11 Commission's final report, the letter added, "deliberately ignores officials and civil servants who were, and still are, clearly negligent and/or derelict in their duties to the nation. If these individuals are protected, rather than held accountable, the mindset that enabled 9-11 will persist, no matter how many layers of bureaucracy are added, and no matter how much money is poured into the agencies. Character counts. Personal integrity, courage, and professionalism make the difference. Only a commission bent on holding no one responsible and reaching unanimity could have missed that."

[Pallas180]

116. I think it's time we begin to work on a letter to Congress supporting Sibe

and telling them what we know, including the conflict of interest of
Kean and many others on the 9 11 commission....

[dmr]

117. "Sibel Edmonds Speaks Farsi"

is the thread that has had the greatest impact on me. This is what I talk about when I speak to Bush* voters, who tell me their vote is based upon Bush* being the "only man who has the guts to fight terrorism." I respond back that the goal of capturing the areas surrounding the Caspian Sea and its Black Gold of oil and natural gas will only increase terrorism. As starters, I pull out the maps, and point out the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce.

The Sibel Edmonds Speaks Farsi thread, and The Price of Loyalty, by Ron Suskind, are the basis of my discussions. From there I touch base with domestic issues; and I want you to know that I have registered 3 Republicans over to the Democratic ticket. I never knew I had it in me, I have always lived intuitively, never armed with facts. So I guess after nearly 4 years of DU, the Sibel thread and reading excellent books, it all has rubbed off.

That said, I want to give my heartfelt thanks to each of you who have spent numerous hours researching and then presenting it here for us to read and learn. It is exciting to read along as things begin to unfold. There are others here in DU who, like me, are quietly reading your threads, I only wish others would come up out of the silly posting and read and learn themselves.

I came across a website a while back that you all might have already seen, but will share in case you have not. While it isn't about the Middle East, it does tap into maybe the beginnings of how this group of neocons work.

http://www.parascope.com/mx/articles/garywebb/garyWebbSpeaks.htm

It's a discussion by former San Jose Mercury-News investigative reporter Gary Webb to a group of people. He has written a book called Dark Alliance which is on my list to buy.

He discusses Somoza in Nicaragua, to CIA needing money, their sanctioned drug trafficking of cocaine. The impact and changes in South LA, and on through the nation. An agreement made in 1982 between Bill Casey and Attorney General William French Smith that said if there were any drug trafficking involving CIA agents or CIA assets they did not have to inform the Justice Department! (copy of that letter is on the above website.)

Oliver North's involvement. Whitewater as a means to implicate Clinton in drug trafficking and the diversion of his sex scandal. A hint that the savings and loans money funneled to support CIA operations, thus they (S&L) were not really failures. How the drug epidemic brought on the erosion of our cities, civil liberties and the 4th amendment, and the big prison business.

A detailed briefing hand-delivered to George Bush in 1985 on contra drug trafficking, and how Bush double-crossed the drug traffickers when he was running for president.

How journalism works in the real world - which was very interesting and validates what we all have been saying all along.

Anyway, a very, very, very big thank you for your tenacity in your research, and much respect to see a selfless group dedicated to work as a team. That says a lot about you as individuals.

:)

[Pallas180]

118. DMR, thank you so much. Your post is very meaningful for me

and I'm sure the rest of us will check in to say that your post is
moving.

I think it's our patriotism and belief in justice and all the things
we've been brought up believing about this country. We expect it to
be true and this is our effort to make it become true I think.

When we began I don't think one of us could have believed what thugs,actual criminals are in control of this country and have been just under view for decades.

And thanks for your link - it sounds like it will be a good learning and information source for us again.

Meanwhile:

[Pallas180]

119. Dan Rather Needs Our Support - I wrote him and got this e mail back

write him at [e-mail]


Dear Ms. Pallas,
Thank you for taking the time to write. Your support is appreciated. As you can imagine, we've been inundated with negative emails. It's refreshing to hear from a viewer such as yourself. We strive for the highest level of journalistic integrity and will continue to do so, no matter what the cost. A free society demands free, unmuzzled media expression.


CBS Evening News

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 2:38 PM
To: CND Evening News
Subject: Dan Rather is Heroic


Dear Mr. Rather,

What you have done is not only brave but patriotic. It's time the media in this country stopped acting as a propaganda arm of the
cabal in the White House and started telling
truth and facts to the American people.

These facts about AWOL should have come out
strongly while he was running before the election of 2000 instead of the media acting as cheerleaders for him and for the phony Iraq "imminent danger" war . It should be made clear that the Iraq war declared by this administration had nothing to do with the attack on the WTC.

Because of the propaganda of the WH which the media repeated, 60% of the American people who only get their news from tv, believe
Iraq was responsible for the attack on the WTC.

Please continue to do real and honest reporting.
You seem to be the only one.

Thank you again for your heroic bravery.

Anna Pallas
Florida

[robertpaulsen]

124. Read this article on Sibel Edmonds & the US-Israel-Turkey axis of evil.

Has anyone posted this before? This is the first time I've read it. Full of great info. Pallas, you're really good at highlighting the really critical facts. This article is chock full of 'em!

Turkey, drugs, Faustian alliances and Sibel Edmonds

By John Stanton
Online Journal Contributing Writer

June 29, 2004—Taking Turkey as the focal point and with a start date of 1998, it is easy to speculate why Sibel Edmonds indicated that there was a convergence of US and foreign counter-narcotics, counter-terrorism and US national security and economic interests all of which were too preoccupied to surface critical information warning Americans of the attacks of September 11, 2001. After all, who would have believed drug runners operating in Central Asia? And besides, President Clinton was promoting Turkey, one of the world's top drug transit points, as a model for Muslim-Western cooperation and a country necessary to reshape the Middle East.

The FBI's Office of International Operations, in conjunction with the CIA and the US State Department counter-narcotics section, the United Kingdom's MI6, Israel's Mossad, Pakistan's ISI, the US DEA, Turkey's MIT, and the governments and intelligence agencies of dozens of nations, were in one way or another involved in the illicit drug trade, either trying to stop it or benefit from it. What can be surmised from the public record is that from 1998 to September 10, 2001, the "War on Drugs" kept bumping into the nascent "War on Terror" and new directions in US foreign policy.

It's easy to imagine the thousands of drug couriers, middlemen, financiers and lab technicians moving back and forth between Pakistan and Turkey, and over to Western Europe and the United States, and the tidbits of information they gleaned from their sponsors as they traveled. As information gathering assets for the intelligence agencies of the world, they must have been invaluable. And given the dozens of foreign intelligence services working in the counter-narcotics/terrorism fields, the "chatter" that just dozens of well-placed operatives may have overheard about attacks against Western targets must have found its way into the US intelligence apparatus. But, again, who could believe the audacity of non-state actors organizing a domestic attack against the supreme power of the day, the USA? Implementing a new strategic direction and business deals may have overcome the wacky warnings from the counter-narcotics folks.

Did warnings foretelling of an attack on American soil by bin Laden's crew get lost in the War on Drugs or the US national and economic interest in troublesome Turkey? It seems only Ms Edmonds knows.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/062904Stanton/062904stanton.html

[Pallas180]

125. RP- laughable.We now know there is/was no war on drugs.US is Drugdealers R

Us so how could there have ever been any real war on drugs. "Just say no." yeah right...if it wasn't imported by the CIA.

Just reading the intro

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127. PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE NEXT POST & REPRINT EVERYWHERE

It's so important that the public learns of all of this.

Especially the part of using Americans as slaves to fight their wars.
And that's what's happening...call ups of specific people in industries they need - without the pay they receive in industry -
indentured servants - slaves.

This is very serious. Please read the entire next post below about
Attorney Stanley Hilton.

[Pallas180]

128. .Next post about Attorney Stanley Hilton n/t

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[Pallas180]

126. Attorney Stanley Hilton states he has proof G W Bush Ordered 911 attacks

http://www.incunabula.org/hive/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=170


Interview of Stanley Hilton, attorney for 9/11 taxpayers’ lawsuit
Bob Dole’s former chief of staff, political scientist, a lawyer, he went to school with Rumsfeld and others, he wrote his thesis about how to turn America into a dictatorship using a fake Pearl Harbor attack. He’s suing the U.S. government for carrying out 9/11. He has hundreds of the victims’ families signing onto it – it’s a $7 billion lawsuit.

Alex Jones Radio Show
September 10, 2004
Transcription by 'RatCat'

SH: Our case is alleging that Bush and his puppets Rice and Cheney and Mueller and Rumsfeld and so forth, Tenet, were all involved not only in aiding and abetting and allowing 9/11 to happen but in actually ordering it to happen. Bush personally ordered it to happen. We have some very incriminating documents as well as eye-witnesses, that Bush personally ordered this event to happen in order to gain political advantage, to pursue a bogus political agenda on behalf of the neocons and their deluded thinking in the Middle East. I also wanted to point out that, just quickly, I went to school with some of these neocons. At the University of Chicago, in the late 60s with Wolfowitz and Feith and several of the others and so I know these people personally. And we used to talk about this stuff all of the time. And I did my senior thesis on this very subject – how to turn the U.S. into a presidential dictatorship by manufacturing a bogus Pearl Harbor event. So, technically this has been in the planning at least 35 years.

SH: Yes, let me just say that this is a taxpayers’ class action lawsuit as well as a suit on behalf of the families and the basic three arguments are they violated the Constitution by ordering this event. And secondly that they fraudulent Federal Claims Act, Title 31 of the U.S. Code in which Bush presented false and fraudulent evidence to Congress to get the Iraq war authorization. And, of course, he related it to 9/11 and claimed that Saddam was involved with that, and all these lies.

SH: Yeah, we are suing Bush, Condoleeza Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Mueller, etc. for complicity in personally not only allowing 9/11 to happen but in ordering it. The hijackers we retained and we had a witness who is married to one of them. The hijackers were U.S. undercover agents. They were double agents, paid by the FBI and the CIA to spy on Arab groups in this country. They were controlled. Their landlord was an FBI informant in San Diego and other places. And this was a direct, covert operation ordered, personally ordered by George W. Bush. Personally ordered. We have incriminating evidence, documents as well as witnesses, to this effect. It’s not just incompetence – in spite of the fact that he is incompetent. The fact is he personally ordered this, knew about it. He, at one point, there were rehearsals of this. The reason why he appeared to be uninterested and nonchalant on September 11th – when those videos showed that Andrew Card whispered in his ear the words about this he listened to kids reading the pet goat story, is that he thought this was another rehearsal. These people had dress rehearsed this many times. He had seen simulated videos of this. In fact, he even made a Freudian slip a few months later at a California press conference when he said he had, quote, “seen on television the first plane attack the first tower.” And that could not be possible because there was no video. What it was was the simulated video that he had gone over. So this was a personally government ordered thing.

We are suing them under the Constitution for violating American’s rights, as well as under the federal Fraudulent Claims Act, for presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress to justify the bogus Iraq boondoggle war, for political gains. And also, under the RICO statute, under the Racketeering Corrupt Organization Act, for being a corrupt entity.

And I’ve been harassed personally by the chief judge of the federal court who is instructing me personally to drop this suit, threatened to kick me off the court, after 30-years on the court. I've been harassed by the FBI. My staff has been harassed and threatened. My office has been broken into and this is the kind of government we are dealing with.

AJ: Absolutely and now it has come out – five separate drills of flying hijacked jets into buildings that morning – which you told us about before it even broke in the Associated Press. They were trying to get out ahead of you. You talked about how you interviewed military people who were told it was a drill that morning. Then to get out ahead of that, the news finally reported on it. Now, we’ve learned that all these operations – I want to get into that, I want to talk about the new incriminating evidence of ordering it and how they had drilled on this, how Cheney was in the bunker controlling this. That has even come out in the mainstream news but they won’t release the details of that, Stanley. But what type of FBI harassment are you going through?

SH: First of all, my office was burglarized in San Francisco several months ago. Files were gone through and some files were seized – particularly the ones dealing with the lady that was married to one of the hijackers. Fortunately, I had spare copies in a hidden place so nothing disappeared permanently. But more significantly, FBI agents have been harassing one of my staff members and threatening them with vague but frightening threats of indicting them. And it’s just total harassment. They have planted a spy, an undercover agent, in my organization, as we just recently discovered. In other words, these are Nazi Germany tactics. This is the kind of government you have in this country. This is what Bush is all about.

Bottom line, he has deposed military individuals, wives of hijackers, you name it, it was a government operation. It has even come out in mainstream news, a piece here, a piece there. They had drills on 9/11, that’s why NORAD stood down. Cheney was in control of the whole thing. Stanley Hilton has now gotten documents about how Bush ordered the whole operation. And I’ll tell you right now, his life is in danger, folks. And he’s got so much courage. He went to school with these neocons at the University of Chicago. He wrote his thesis on how the government could use terrorist attacks to set up martial law. He is the man for the time and folks wondered why he disappeared for a while and just did his lawsuit and wasn’t doing interviews, it was because he was ordered to.

SH: I did an interview with you, Alex, back in March of 2003, about a year and a half ago, and literally two weeks after that, I was contacted by the emissary of the chief judge of the federal court where I have the lawsuit. And I was warned not to publicize it but to keep it quiet and threatened with discipline. And it remained quiet until a couple of months ago and then I got on the air on some programs and some publicity and… July 1st, I was threatened directly by the chief judge here, threatened with court discipline. This particular judge has been circulating communiqués to the other federal judges seeking anything negative she can get against me to try and discipline me after I’ve been on the court here for 30-years with no disciplinary problems at all. This is suddenly happening. And her assistants who are on the committee of the court met with me on July 1st in Palo Alto, California, and threatened me directly. They handed me a copy of the lawsuit and said that the judge wants me to dismiss this. What’s this? She doesn’t like the content of it. This is politically incorrect. This is outside the norm. I said I represented more than 400 plaintiffs, how am I going to dismiss this case? And they threatened me directly and they said, “the next time you’ll be disciplined.” And also they’ve threatened me not to go public, etc. And this is just outrageous….

SH: They sent a letter out, and of course they deny it’s because of the political content of the suit but they told me directly on the phone that it is because of this suit and this judge is very, very angry, apparently has been in contact with Ashcroft’s Justice Department. I got a call from Ashcroft’s Justice Department a few months ago about this, demanding that I drop the suit, threatening sanctions and all kinds of things. I refused to drop it.

SH: My office was broken into about 6 months ago. The file cabinets – it was obvious they had been rifled through. Files were stolen. Files dealing with this particular case and particularly with the documents I had regarding the fact that the – some of these hijackers, at least some of them were on the payroll of the U.S. government as undercover FBI, CIA, double agents. They are spying on Arab groups in the U.S. And, in effect, all this lead up to the effect that al Qaeda is a creation of the George Bush administration, basically. That’s the entity that he called al Qaeda.is directly linked to George Bush. And all this stuff was stolen. Fortunately, I had copies. But this was just part of the harassment. The FBI has also been harassing some of my assistants and has planted a spy in our midst. And it is just outrageous that these Nazi tactics are being used - and the obstruction of justice, these people are criminals. And that’s what’s happening under the tremendous pressure here to just drop it. Or to shut up now and just go away.

SH: We have evidence both documentary as well as witness sworn statements from undercover former FBI agents, FBI informants, etc., that other officials in the Pentagon and the military and the Air Force that deal with the fact that there were many drills, many rehearsals for 9/11 before it happened. Bush had seen this simulated on TV many times. He blurted this out at a press conference in California a few months after 9/11 where he said he had, quote, seen the first plane hit the first building on the video. And that’s not possible because there was no official video of that. There was one of the second plane not the first one. He had seen the first one.

We do have some incriminating documents that Bush personally ordered 9/11 events. It was well planned. A FEMA official has admitted on tape that he was there the night before – September 10th, that is …

AJ: And now Mayor Giuliani, a few months ago in the 911 Commission, admitted that – Tripod II. They had their whole command post already moved out of Building 7. Now, this is very, very important. This is a key area of this whole event. You said months before it came out on the CIA’s own website and the Associated Press, you said I deposed people. They said there were drills that morning and exactly what happened, happening – that was the smoke-screen for the stand-down. And then to get out ahead of it, the CIA comes out and said yeah we were running a drill that morning. Now, we’ve learned that five, possibly six, were confirmed. Five of these – one drill with the exact same thing happening that actually happened, at the exact same time in the morning. That’s why NORAD stood down with 24 different blips on the screen. You’ve said this. You brought this up first. Now, I know you can’t get too much into detail but can you tell us how you learned of this?

SH: I have interviewed individuals in NORAD and the Air Force. I personally toured NORAD many years ago around the time that I worked for Dole. I’m very familiar with the operations at Cheyenne Mountain at Colorado Springs, where NORAD is. Individuals that work in NORAD as well as the Air Force have stated this, off the record, but the point is, yes, this was not just five drills but at least 35 drills over at least two months before September 11th. Everything was planned, the exact location……

SH: That day, that day, and Bush thought it was a drill. That’s the only explanation for why he appeared nonchalant………

AJ: We also had NORAD officers and civilian air traffic controllers going, “Is this part of the exercise? Is this a drill?”

SH: Yes.

AJ: On the tapes and in TV interviews, they thought it was, quote, a drill.

SH: That’s right. That’s exactly what I said long before it became public. I’ve known about this since earlier in March of ’03, as I stated before. This was all planned. This was a government ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder. now, obstruction of justice by attempting to use a federal judge and FBI agents to inhibit a legitimate civil lawsuit in this country, in federal court. Even a chief judge in this court tried to harass and threaten me personally for representing legitimate plaintiffs. And they got Clinton for allegedly lying under oath about Paula Jones and now – look what’s happening now. And Ken Starr used to be across from me in Duke Law School in the early ‘70s and it’s interesting that he got away with trying to get Clinton impeached, so we have a far worse criminal sitting in the oval office today – somebody guilty of mass murder as well as obstruction of justice.

AJ: Well, I mean look, they say they never heard of a plan to fly planes into buildings – said it all over television – Rice, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft. And then we find out they were running all these drills that morning. Even if they weren’t involved, that proves they were liars about ever hearing of such a plan.

SH: Well, I’m trying to take their depositions – I’ve been trying to take their depositions for months. They’ve been trying to object to it. They will have to admit they were either lying then or now. It’s clearly perjury either way. They are liars and perjurers; that’s what they are. These are the people that we have running this government and, of course, they knew about it. How are they going to claim now that they didn’t know about these drills? Their idea is that nobody knew anything. It’s the old know nothing mentality. And how anybody considers this believable is beyond me.

AJ: Alright, now people ask how could a huge organization, how could the AWACs, how could the military let this happen; whereas before, if your Cessna got off course for five minutes, they would launch F-16s on you. It’s real simple. It’s what Stanley Hilton said here a year and a half ago. It’s what came out in the news after that. The military, good people, were told this was all a drill. And it was not a drill. ABC News admits that Cheney was in control of out of the White House and that he ordered the military to quote “do something.” Our inside sources from Hilton and others say it was a stand down and they admit they will not release that under national security.

SH: Well they are going to admit it, they’re going to release it in the court case because if you demand it under subpoena powers and they must release it. And part of our lawsuit is brought in the name of the U.S. because under the federal fraudulent , we accuse the Bush Administration of presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress. And under the statutes of Title 31 of the U.S. code, they must release this information. That’s why they are trying to threaten me, harass me, invade my office, steal my files, commit blatant obstruction of justice and other crimes to try and prevent a legitimate civil suit from exposing these criminals and their acts of treason and mass murder.

AJ: I think you need to publicly tell folks that you are not planning suicide. Would you like to tell folks that?

SH: (laughs) I’m not planning suicide. I’ve got family and I’m not planning that but I don’t like the threats I’m under – but I can tell you this, it’s taking a toll emotionally on me and my staff. And particularly, when you get a threat from the chief judge of your own court.

AJ: Why have you decided to go public again after a year of being under the radar?

SH: ause the more and more evidence that I’ve been adducing over a year and a half has made it so obvious to me that this was now without any doubt a government operation and that it amounts to the biggest act of treason and mass murder in American history. I mean George Bush makes Benedict Arnold look like a patriot. He makes Benedict Arnold look like George Washington. I mean that’s what we have – a criminal and a traitor sitting in the White House pretending he’s a patriot, wrapping himself in the flag.
And it’s pretty disgusting because the other side of the so-called opposition, the Kerry camp is just saying nothing because they’re afraid to speak.

SH: National Security Council classified documents which and it’s was part of a series of documents that were involved with the drill documents.is was all planned – they had it on videotape. These planes were controlled by remote control, as I stated previously a year and a half ago, there’s a system called Cyclops. There is a computer chip in the nose of the plane and it enables the ground control, the military ground control, to disable the pilot’s control of the plane and to control it and to fly it directly into those towers. That’s what happened. It’s also a technology used on what’s called the Global Hawk, which is an aircraft drone – a remote-controlled aircraft. And they were doing it. We are talking about National Security Council classified documents that clearly indicated that had a green light to order this to go and this is no drill.
hese drills that were running were clearly a dress rehearsal and this was a government operation. You wonder why these people are trying to threaten people and trying to intimidate people who have written this suit, I guess if you murdered 3000 of your own citizens, in conjunction with the corrupt Royal family of Saudi Arabia as Bush did. And if you then waste billions more on a worthless garbage war in Iraq, I guess you’ve got something to worry about and you want to threaten people to prevent it from coming out.

AJ: I mean let’s look at this. Not only are there dress rehearsals, they are smoke screens so the good military stands down and doesn’t know what’s happening. But it’s now coming out, even in mainstream news, that yes these drills were going on. Yes, and some of these drills, quote, passenger-type jets were under remote control – this is decades old technology. In 1958, NORAD was < > old jets and using them for target practice. Decades ago they flew jumbo jets from LA to Sidney Australia. So since that’s going on, everybody knows that. And it’s the same MO. Just like the first World Trade Center where they get two retarded men who followed this blind sheik who had a tiny mosque above a pizza pallor. And they set them up as the patsies. Then the FBI cooks the bomb, trains the drivers. This informant goes, “You’re not going to bomb the building? They go “Yeah, we’re letting it go forward.” He tapes them to protect themselves. The two retarded gentlemen, thank God, didn’t park it up against the column, as the FBI instructed them to do, so it didn’t bring down the tower – because you have to be right up against the column. That doesn’t happen. Yet, it’s the same thing with 9/11. You’ve got these CIA agents, these Arabs, who were trained at U.S. military bases, Pensacola Naval Air Station – mainstream media, out creating their legends for this background. They’re on board the aircraft.
My military sources say nerve gas kills everybody on board the plane – nerve gas packets. Then they fly the planes into buildings. From your inside sources, is that accurate?

SH: It’s one of the things that we are looking into – that nerve gas or something else disabled people. It’s possible. I can’t say for sure to be honest with you…

AJ: All you know is they were government agents and they were on board and the planes were remote controlled.

SH: Yeah, it was basically a smokescreen. I mean, the events of the hijackings, how someone snuck in those cutters, it was a plant. It was like a classic decoy. I’ve got some military background. And it’s called decoy. It’s a decoy operation. You make the people focus on the decoy to avoid looking at the real criminals. So they are focusing on these so-called nineteen hijackers and saying, “Oh, it must have been these Arabs. When, in fact, the guilty person is at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue – sitting in the oval office. That’s the guilty person. That’s the one who authorized it. There is only one man who could have authorized this operation and that’s Bush. And anyone at NORAD will tell you as I have been told personally at NORAD in the war control room, there is only one man who has the power to do this kind of thing and that’s Bush. Even though many believe he’s a puppet. And I think in many ways he is. The fact of the matter is where was < > Cheney, Rumsfeld and these other traitors. The fact is Bush personally ordered and he’s guilty and liable and he’s going to be re-elected apparently because the media’s asleep and for Bush.

AJ: Well, the media is owned by the same military industrial complex that carried out the attacks.

SH: Yeah, the media is only interested in maintaining the official government fantasy that this was a little lone Arab. These Arabs couldn’t even steer that plane down a runway.

AJ: Mr. Hilton, when you talk to these FBI agents, when you talk to these military men and women, what’s their attitude? They’ve got to be pretty freaked out to have the big picture and know what actually happened on 9/11.

SH: Yes, you know it’s like clouds just before a thunderstorm in the sense that they are sort of pregnant with rage. They are just enraged at the criminal politicians who have perverted and misused the government to murder its own citizens and pursue these dubious political ends. And many of them, in increasing numbers, are willing to talk and will talk under subpoena – but only under subpoena because the official party line of the government is shut up and don’t talk to the trial lawyer. But more and more, they are very outraged that part of the government has done this to its own people, to its own people. I mean you have to go back to Stalin to see something – not even Hitler did this to his own people. You have to look at Stalin who murdered the Kulaks, the Russians for his own dubious gains. Also we’ve got – we have a Stalinist mentality in this country. And, if these people pose as patriots and wrap themselves in the flag, it’s disgusting.

I wanted also to point out that the Japanese television network, Asahi, is going to be airing a special on primetime tomorrow, on September 11th. They interviewed me for eight hours a couple of weeks ago. I’ll be on that. I wish – of course, the America media don’t care so they are not going to care. But in Japan, people are very serious in interviewing me and others. And we have a website now, called deprogram.info, if more people are interested: www.deprogram.info .

But the other thing, I just wanted to say that if anything happens to me - and I don’t know why – because I’m being threatened here now. And it seems you can’t bring a case in this country anymore against criminals in power without being threatened. And this is how they operate. The stakes are pretty high when you’ve got a world historical level of treason and fraud by this government against it’s own people. I guess this is what you have to expect.

AJ: Stanley, the globalists, the new world order crowd, definitely intend to carry out more terror attacks. I know they would have carried out more attacks if we wouldn’t have done what we’ve been up to, if you wouldn’t have been out there boldly speaking out and many others. And then their electronic Berlin wall has a bunch of cracks in it now. Thanks to good people like yourself and many others who are speaking out and telling the truth. But do you think that they may carry out what they’ve been hyping – a suitcase nuke attack, a biological release to try to smokescreen all of this? I know it’s a catch 22, you’ve got to expose the murderers. We’ve got to get the word out on this but some government people that I’ve talk to say, “Yeah, but if you do that, they are going to go even more hard core and must totally try to take over.” But I say regardless, they are already doing that. So what do you say to that?

SH: Well, yeah, I think they have an agenda. They have contingency plans. I think they are laying low now because there are an increasing number of people, like myself, who are openly challenging them and accusing them of criminal conduct. I think they would have done it again if we had not spoken up. I think they’re planning, what they would like to do is silence any dissenters. That’s why we are trying to get the Patriot Act declared unconstitutional in this lawsuit also.

AJ: Let’s talk about polls. In the beginning a patriot is a scarce man, hated and feared, but in time when his cause succeeds, the timid join him, because then it costs nothing to be a patriot. You are one of those guys who hit the barbwire for us, or figuratively jumped on the hand grenade for America. But when you’ve got a Zogby poll, who is highly respected, half of New Yorkers believe that the government was involved. When you have a Canadian poll, 63% on average believe that the U.S. government was involved. And some groups, as high as 76% in polls believe the government was involved. European polls, two-thirds show the same thing. We have German defense ministers and technology ministers and another member of their government now, three of them going public, known conservatives, and progressives. You have an environment minister, Michael Meacher, saying that if they didn’t do it, they sure as hell knew what was going on. Look, if anybody who is a thinking person looks at the evidence, their official story is impossible. Then you investigate and they are involved in it. Comments to this massive awakening and what’s happening.

SH: Well, I think that’s why they want the Patriot Act to suppress political dissent. They have to, they’re anticipating, they are not dumb individuals. I know these people personally, Wolfowitz. These are criminal individuals but they are smart and so they anticipated political dissent. And that’s why, like the Nazis, their forebears, and their blood brothers, the Nazis and the Stalinists, they’re all for political repression. Every corrupt and criminal government has done this – they suppress their own people: Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, Mao Tse-Tung, that’s why we have the Patriot Act. So it’s hand in hand. They had it planned to go right up to September 11th, this was all part of the plan. You have to do it. It was part of my senior thesis. You must follow through the terrorists attacks with a political suppression mechanism in the law. And that’s why they want Patriot I and Patriot II and their plans are to continue launching more terrorist attacks to justify even more repression. The goal is to make this a one party dictatorship in this country, to pursue their dubious ends with their blood brothers like the Saudi Royal family. And also, historical blood brothers, such as the Nazi Germany and the Communist Russian. That’s the goal

AJ: You’ve got to go in just a minute or two. But I wanted to also tell you about New York. Sound cannons that are used in Iraq, they’re against us. Men in black ski masks. 41,000 police, accredited media being arrested randomly. Children being arrested, people in wheelchairs, 2000 plus people put in a camp with barbwire fences inside with no bathrooms. You had to have permission to go to the porta-potties. Police screaming at you. It had nothing to do with terrorism. They are openly setting the precedent for martial law.

SH: Well, that’s right, the word terrorist is now being overly broad and overly defined and also, you know, it’s like the word communist was used for anything during the McCarthy witch hunt. And anybody can be called a terrorist by Bush’s definition. But the irony is that the number one terrorist in the world is living at the White House at the oval office today. That’s the real irony. For sheer hypocrisy, I think he deserves the world prize and ought to be in the Ripley book, Believe It or Not, and the Guinness book of world records for sheer brazen chicanery and fraud.

AJ: ... Now we are going to have forced psychological testing of every American, forced drugging, you know Pan-American unions, I mean it’s just all happening, it’s in our face, Stanley.

SH: Yeah, it’s very disturbing and as one who has studied the theory and concept of dictatorships, I personally interviewed Albert Speer, who was Hitler’s armaments minister. I interviewed him in 1981 in Munich. And I’ve studied the psychology and history of totalitarianism and there is no question that it’s very frightening. And it has, today, with high technology, albeit for the first time in history, the chance of having a world empire dominated by corrupt, technologically oriented government - an elite government. And they’ve got now what people like Napoleon and Hitler didn’t have, which is the technological means to dominate not only their own country but others – the world.

AJ: The answer is to expose them as the terrorists, to show how PNAC said we need helpful Pearl Harbor events, to show how Northwoods called for the exact 9/11-style attacks, to show their own plans. And to force people to face this horror. What are they going to do in a year or two when 80% of us, not half of us, know the truth?

SH: Well, that’s why they want repression and, then again, the ancient old diversion, launch another terrorist attack to get people to pitch it away. I mean who knows what they’ll do next. I mean their capacity for ingenious creation of these events is sort of untraveled. I mean there is no limit. My guess is they are going to try another stunt – maybe a stunt just before the election to justify getting Bush reelected. Although it seems like he is running against a straw man or a ghost right now, anyway. But, my guess is they’ll try some other tactic to get people’s attention away from 9/11 if it gets to be too much attention. What you really want is for the public to just lose interest because the public - and it’s like remember the Alamo, you know, people don’t forget things like that. To me it’s like the Alamo, remember 9/11, that ought to be the slogan for this outrageous act of treason. That’s what it is. It’s not……

AJ: We are at a crossroads, I don’t think they anticipated this much resistance, Stanley.

SH: Yeah, I hope they are truly wrong and as incompetent as they are corrupt and guilty. That means their incompetence is exceeded only by their corruption and their guilt. And eventually, if enough people are going to get outraged enough, these people in the bureaucracy and in the civil service and our military, and eventually we can get people under subpoena these individuals will be exposed.

AJ: Stanley, their whole operation hinges on us being naïve and not recognizing evil. This is what they got with Hitler and others. People couldn’t recognize evil so they continued to repeat succumbing to it. We are recognizing it this time. We are putting our lives, our treasure, our future on the line for freedom because we cannot let these blood-thirsty control freak terrorists capture us and use us and turn us into the empire and have a draft and use us as their slaves to invade the planet. And that’s their PNAC plan. Stanley Hilton, I know you’ve got to get to court. God bless you. I want to thank you for being here with us today. Can we get you back on next week?

SH: My closing comments would be, I think people ought to just think about the consequence of having someone like Bush in the White House and the danger for the future that these sort of individuals pose. This is not just a historical event of the past. This is part of the plan and the camera is still rolling. They have an agenda. These individuals are extremely dangerous. They are armed and dangerous. They pose a clear and dangerous threat to every freedom-loving person not only American but in the whole world.

AJ: You are absolutely right Stanley Hilton. They have captured the government. They have not captured the peoples’ minds and they are counting on us not facing up to it.

SH: And they are counting on the repressive Patriot Act and threats and chief judges and FBI agents threatening people who are exposing them. That’s what they are counting on.

AJ: But you’re not backing down are you, my friend.

SH: No, I’m not

AJ: Well, we all stand with you, my brother, and God bless you.

[Pallas180]

129. Sibel spoke to this man before the gag order and said:

"Karl Schwarz, a repug, spoke about the financial aspects of 9/11. He also said that he had spoken to Sibel Edmonds before she received a gag order. She told him, "she found drug trafficking and money laundering, involving foreign names and American names, that financed 9/11."

"THAT FINANCED 9/11"


"Schwarz said there is $11-12 trillion dollars of oil and natural gas in the Caspian Sea area. That's why the Taliban had to be taken out"

* * *

That's the confirmation that we did solve it on Shraby's Sibel thread.

It's Azberjan and the cabal American names we found there.

If it wasn't Ashcroft sitting in Justice Dept. we would have criminal charges and impeachment.

We need a large group to go to DC and read this out. The names on
Azberjan, and stand there with the map in front of a press conference.

Think about it.

Maybe we could get this lawyer and Will Pitt there too, and some famous names to draw attention.

[robertpaulsen]

144. Speaking of Will Pitt...

I brought this over from the 9/11 forum thread you started.

All Along the Watchtower
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Opinion

Thursday, 20 June, 2002

Stanley Hilton, a San Francisco attorney and former aide to Senator Bob Dole, filed a $7 billion lawsuit in U.S. District Court on June 3rd. The class-action suit names ten defendants, among whom are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld and Norman Mineta.

Hilton's suit charges Bush and his administration with allowing the September 11th attacks to take place so as to reap political benefits from the catastrophe. Hilton alleges that Osama bin Laden is being used as a scapegoat by an administration that ignored pressing warnings of the attack and refused to round up suspected terrorists beforehand. Hilton alleges the ultimate motivation behind these acts was achieved when the Taliban were replaced by American military forces with a regime friendly to America and its oil interests in the region.

Hilton's plaintiffs in this case are the families of 14 victims of 9/11, numbering 400 people nationwide. These are the same families that rallied in Washington recently to advocate for an independent investigation into the attacks. The current 9/11 hearings are being conducted by Congress behind closed doors, a situation these families find unacceptable.

Mr. Hilton, by filing his lawsuit, has joined the ranks of an ever-increasing body of Americans who subscribe to what they call the LIHOP Theory. LIHOP stands for Let It Happen On Purpose. The LIHOP Theory puts forward the accusation that Bush and his people allowed the September 11th attacks to take place, despite the fact that they had been repeatedly warned of an impending strike.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.21A.pitt.watchtower.htm

I'm sure he realizes now it was MIHOP, MIHOP, MIHOP!!!

[Pallas180]

153. Thanks, RP

[robertpaulsen]

135. THIS IS TREMENDOUS! 9/11 finally has its own Jim Garrison!

Of course, when this hits the Corporate Media, they will smear him as a "conspiracy nut" the same way they smeared Garrison. Let them while Hilton makes arrests and stirs the shitstorm.

I don't think I've ever been more excited and more afraid than I am now. I will pray daily for the safety and well-being of Stanley Hilton. God bless him.

Honestly, I'm really not surprised there is documented proof of 9/11 MIHOP. I'm just surprised it has been discovered in such short time. How long did it take before the proof of Pearl Harbor LIHOP become available?

This is a huge, huge development! Pallas, you think I'm a wizard? You are a goddess! Fantastic job!

[rhite5]

131. Couple of questions for both of you ....

1. Do we have a confirmation that this material WAS actually covered in a Japanese TV broadcast on Sept 11 this year? Was it widely watched?

2. To get more attention right here on DU, could the basic message contained in post #128 be advertised in LBN? It IS breaking news. Then people could be directed here.

This thread of course is too long for people to plow through to get to the big story, and #128 itself is awfully long. (altho every paragraph is fascinating). We really need something short that we can spread around.

3. Also, has Greg Palast gotten on this story? How about CBC (Canadian Broadcasting)? and the New Zealand guy? The latter has lots of American readers.

[Pallas180]

132. Thanks RHITE. It isn't LBN cause the interview was Sept 10, for DU

it has to be the same day I think.

Okay, I'll try to do something about starting a new thread with #128

Don;t know about Greg Palast, but feel free to e mail it to him.

Don't know about Japanese TV, but you might search that out..sometimes
Asia Times has interesting stuff that we dont know about in America.

Finally, it's AMERCIANS we have to get this info to...Americans have
to realize criminals are in the White House and did this....


And welcome and thanks for posting.

[Pallas180]

133. RobertPaulsen: Is this name familiar to you?

Zalmay Khalilzad

anything on him from American Judas?


http://www.incunabula.org/hive/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=162&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0&POSTNUKESID=1abab8b8aecf53748bdd39d5ca56b38c

"The white costumes these troops are wearing are the uniforms of Middle Eastern mujahideen, not Yugoslav Muslims. The Bosnian Muslim troops wore them because they had been indoctrinated by Muslim extremists, including mujahideen imported by Iran, Saudi Arabia and other extremist states, with the participation of Pentagon intelligence. In the early part of the Bosnian conflict (up until January 1993) Zalmay Khalilzad, the protégé of Zginew Brzezinski, was in charge of strategic planning at the Pentagon. <3>"

There's a Seymour Khalilov on the Chamber of Commerce - could it be
a name change or a AKA ?

[Pallas180]

134. RP, Shraby - here we go again - Sibel & The American Turkish Council

Heavy hitters on this "council" also such as Brent Scowcroft - who is also on Chamber of Commerce of Azberjan.

Do we have a list of the names on the Am-Turk??


http://www.balkanalysis.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=391


-snip-

According to the Edmonds team’s reply of 19 September, the USAF Inspector General’s letter had referred specifically to one American-Turkish Council, based in Washington, D.C., as being related to the Dickersons. For the Edmonds team, this was a very strange disclosure:

“…notably, in his letter of September 10th, Col. Worth states that OSI’s investigation focused on ‘Major Dickerson’s relationship with the American-Turkish Council.’ This statement is very troubling for a number of reasons. First, Ms. Edmonds never even mentioned the name of this organization in any of her communications with the DOD, DOD IG, Department of the Air Force IG, and AFOSI, concerning this matter.”

We asked Sibel earlier today if the American-Turkish Council was in fact the name of the key “semi-legitimate organization” that had infiltrated the FBI during her time there. Because of the DOJ gag order she is currently under she could only say, “I cannot confirm that… they said it, we did not.”

Yet why would the Pentagon specifically name an organization, connecting it with the suspect in the case, if there was no relationship? And why would they bring it to the attention of exactly the people they would have wanted to conceal it from? Did they assume that the story would break, and therefore that it wasn’t worth concealing? Or was the whole thing merely a mistake, a misunderstanding, a typo? In any case, there are clearly suspicious shades of the old paradox, ‘are you still beating your wife?’ at work here.

Whatever it may or may not be, the American-Turkish Council is a Washington-based “…business association dedicated to friendship and the promotion of U.S.-Turkish commercial, defense and cultural relations.” Again according to the ATC website, its “...diverse membership includes Fortune 500 and Turkish companies, multinationals, non-profit organizations, enterprises and individuals with an interest in U.S.-Turkish relations.” It boasts a star-studded board of directors, including Chairman and Retired USAF Lt. General Brent Scowcroft; President and CEO G. Lincoln McCurdy; Executive Vice-President George H. Perlman of Lockheed Martin; and several other ranking figures from corporate America. Some of these as well as many other American and Turkish business heavyweights are also well-placed on the ATC Executive Committee (PDF).

[robertpaulsen]

138. That's a new name to me, Pallas.

I don't remember having anything in American Judas on him. But I'll check both names to see if there are any connecting threads. It might just be similar names but different people, for the longest time I confused S.B. Mahmood and Mahmood Ahmed. I might actually have time today to do some research for once!

[robertpaulsen]

140. My take on Khalilov and Khalilzad: Different men, both scumbags.

Here's info on Khalilov:

Executive Director



Seymour Khalilov


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mr. Khalilov became Executive Director of USACC in January, 2002. Previously, he served as a Commercial Specialist at the U.S. Embassy in Baku for four years. During that time, Mr. Khalilov assisted U.S. companies in gaining access to the Azerbaijani market by conducting business counseling, market analysis, research, and advocacy. He has also led trade missions and business development initiatives throughout the region and to the U.S. His primary industry focus was energy, construction, and telecommunications.



Mr. Khalilov worked with senior officials of the U.S. and Azerbaijani governments on energy policy, privatization, technical assistance and commercial contracts.



Mr. Khalilov graduated from the Azerbaijan State Institute of Languages in Baku and was an exchange student at the University of Missouri-St. Louis from 1996 to 1997.

Mr. Khalilov is fluent in English, Russian, Turkish, Azerbaijani and has a working knowledge of French.

This link has a photo of him:

http://www.usacc.org/contents.php?cid=121



And here's info on Zalmay Khalilzad:

Dr. Zalmay Khalilzad
U. S. Ambassador to Afghanistan

Dr. Zalmay Khalilzad was nominated Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the United States of America to Afghanistan by President
Bush on September 22, sworn on Monday, November 24, 2003 in Washington and presented this credentials to President Karzai on November 27, 2003.
Dr. Khalilzad served as Special Presidential Envoy to Afghanistan, a role he will retain after his assignment to Ambassador to


Afghanistan ends. Dr. Khalilzad served as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Islamic Outreach and Southwest Asia Initiatives at the National Security Council, and prior to that Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Southwest Asia, Near East, and North African Affairs at the National Security Council. He also has been a Special Presidential Envoy and Ambassador at Large for the Free Iraqis. Dr. Khalilzad headed the Bush-Cheney transition team for the Department of Defense and has been a Counselor to Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld.

Between 1993 and 1999, Dr. Khalilzad was Director of the Strategy, Doctrine and Force Structure program for RAND's Project Air Force. While with RAND, he founded the Center for Middle Eastern Studies. Between 1991 and 1992, Dr. Khalilzad served as Assistant Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Planning. Secretary Cheney awarded Dr. Khalilzad's the Department of Defense medal for outstanding public service. He also served as a senior political scientist at RAND and an associate professor at the University of California at San Diego in 1989 and 1991. From 1985 to 1989 at the Department of State, Dr. Khalilzad served as Special Advisor to the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs working policy issues, advising on the Iran-Iraq war and the Soviet War in Afghanistan. From 1979 to 1986, Dr. Khalilzad was an Assistant Professor of Political Science at Columbia University.

Dr. Khalilzad received his bachelor's and master's degree from the American University of Beirut, Lebanon. He went on to earn a Ph.D. from the University of Chicago. Dr. Khalilzad is the author of more than 200 books, articles, studies and reports. His work has been translated in many languages including Arabic, Chinese, German, Japanese and Turkish.

This link also has photo:

http://usembassy.state.gov/afghanistan/wwwhbiozal.html

Of course, that link fails to mention that he was a former consultant to Unocal and a pro-Taliban lobbyist. But this link does:


FORMER UNOCAL CONSULTANT APPOINTED U.S. SPECIAL ENVOY TO AFGHANISTAN
Former consultant to oil giant Unocal Corporation and pro-Taliban lobbyist, Zalmay Khalilzad was appointed by President Bush to be the U.S. Special Envoy to Afghanistan. On December 31, 2001, Khalilzad became the highest-ranking US diplomat stationed in Afghanistan. He will represent US government interests to the emerging Afgani government and provide support for US interests in Afghanistan. Khalilzad has a long history of promoting pro-military action during the presidential administrations of Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr. and George W. Bush Jr.

Just as oil industry conflicts of interest have not been a concern for the Bush administration in its appointments, Khalilzad’s historic support for the Taliban seems not to be either. While working on Unocal’s project beginning in 1997, Khalilzad participated in talks with the Taliban on oil and gas pipeline infrastructure through the country, attended a delegation of Taliban leaders visiting Texas, and called for U.S. support for their regime.

In 1997 during the Clinton Administration, Khalilzad conducted risk assessments for Unocal on their proposed 900-mile pipeline project to transport natural gas from Turkmenistan to Pakistan through Afghanistan while he was a consultant with Cambridge Energy Research Associates.

Even as the Clinton administration was beginning to recognize the repressive nature of the Taliban regime and its links to bin Laden, Khalilzad called for U.S. engagement with the Taliban. "The Taliban do not practice the anti-US style of fundamentalism practiced by Iran," wrote Khalilzad. "We should ... be willing to offer recognition and humanitarian assistance and to promote international economic reconstruction. It is time for the United States to re-engage."

more...

http://www.moles.org/ProjectUnderground/drillbits/7_01/1.html


Real stand-up gentlemen. Friends like these...

[Pallas180]

141. Den of snakes

[robertpaulsen]

142. LOL! BEST TIME COVER EVER!

I just made it my wallpaper on my computer. My co-workers love it!

[robertpaulsen]

137. Post 126 should definitely be spread all over. Right, Pallas?

I don't think it would conform to LBN rules, but it definitely deserves it's own thread. What do you think, Pallas? Shouldn't this get a separate post in GD, or did you already do that?

I'm not sure how to confirm if Japanese TV broadcasted the post 126 info or not. And yes, Palast should definitely be told about this.

[Pallas180]

139. RP - I put Stanley Hilton under DU 911 Forum/Military --

except for some nutjob trying to ruin the thread- there's quite a bit of info there.

On that thread is info on that Dov guy worked for the company that invented and tested the automatic pilot thing....worked with Poindexter's D.A.R.P.A., and Cheney's Undersecretary. AND WROTE THE PNAC PEARL HARBOR PAPER.

convenient to pull off a 9 11 huh?

[robertpaulsen]

143. This is just too much.

When is the American sheeple going to take their blinders off?

I'll try posting there. This issue is to important to lie dormant.

[robertpaulsen]

145. That whole anti-Semetic angle used to censor...

your posts on Dov is unfortunately exactly what the opposition, and unfortunately MIHOPers who should know better, will use to attack Stanley Hilton. I have not read anything that shows he is anti-Semetic, but look how the establishment attacked Prouty under the same lame approach. Kill the messenger and ignore the message. Unfortunately, according to Alex Jones that's what Mike Ruppert tried to do to Stanley Hilton. I'm not exactly sure what the feud between Jones and Ruppert is, but I hope they can set aside their differences and bury the hatchet, because nailing the real 9/11 criminals should be top priority.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=29891

[Pallas180]

147. Hey RP - Ruppert/Jones problems have no bearing on any of this, only

the information we need does.

Bury the hatchet? would we, after we have been called "pinkos"?

Who needs to get involved or care. I dont know anyting about this AJ
and not so sure about Ruppert....but what makes sense, and from our own research , the truth is what matters.

[Pallas180]

148. TRUTH MATTERS.

[robertpaulsen]

149. Ohhh yeah...

"The far-left" was the epithet I remember.

Fuck the hatchet. Pursue the truth.

[Pallas180]

152. LOL

[medeak]

146. breaking news...Judith Miller

NYTimes reporter ordered to testify

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBHRX0D7ZD.html

[robertpaulsen]

150. Thanks medeak! Good to know Fitzgerald is still plugging away.

My hopes that the indictments come out before the election are fading. But it seems as though Fitz is being as thorough as possible. Any more reporters left before he gets to Novak? But maybe the reason Novak won't say whether he has been subpoenaed is that he will face some sort of indictment for his role in the outing.

This is the same Judith Miller who spread PNAC propaganda about Iraq WMD. Can you say perjury?

[Pallas180]

151. RP, I dont think she would be charged perjury because she was fed info by

WH and Chalabi, possibly, and OSP, so she just fell for the same
carp that many others did - unless she lies about who told her what.