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bmichaelh Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:46 PM
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Another Bush Lie?
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 05:47 PM by bmichaelh
I have seen this mentioned at least twice before.

Once, in a recent article by Noam Chomsky.

Second, in the DVD "Hijacking Catastrophe"

Bush intends to create permament military bases in Iraq.

What do you think?
If so, that will make his promise to withdraw troops from Iraq when and if it is a democracy to be a lie.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:48 PM
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1. One of the primary reasons we went to war. Saudi wanted us out.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:51 PM
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2. He's building 14 permanent
military bases in Iraq. I don't think he intends to abandon them or turn them over to the Iraqis.
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:02 PM
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10. That's almost one base for each...
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 07:03 PM by FlyByNight
intelligence agency. (I think there's 15 intelligence agencies, right? At least the ones we know about.) Hmmm...

But seriously, I was listening to an AAR (they're in Atlanta now - nice!) interview with Chalmers Johnson a couple weeks ago on the Majority Report and he mentioned these bases would be a constant reminder of the global hegemon that would inspire further tension, violence and terrorism. Simply ugly.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:51 PM
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3. Iraq is the most strategically located, for incursions into rest of ME
I believe several permanent bases are under construction at this very moment, one in the shadow of the truly ancient city of Ur (which has been looted and decimated by U.S. troops, to my understanding).
I am sure another DUer will be along by and by with links to solid evidence of permanent base-building.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:02 PM
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7. even us unbiblethumpers know who the Whore of Babylon is now...
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:57 PM
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4. that's what he intends...but will NOT get
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:59 PM
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5. Those 14 bases are also raising the cost of housing in the USA.
Concrete and lumber are in short supply. New home prices in Florida are up 10% since May and we haven't seen the start of the hurricane prices yet. But we did get that tax cut right??
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:01 PM
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6. Actually that's probably not a lie. We are not going to bring
democracy to Iraq, so we will never bring out the troops.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:03 PM
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8. That was Never the intention.....
hell, even I knew that
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:06 PM
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9. 100 thousand troops will stay...
to protect this:

The Hand-Over That Wasn't: Illegal Orders give the US a Lock on Iraq's Economy
by Antonia Juhasz

Officially, the U.S. occupation of Iraq ended on June 28, 2004. But in reality, the United States is still in charge: Not only do 138,000 troops remain to control the streets, but the "100 Orders" of L. Paul Bremer III remain to control the economy.

These little noticed orders enacted by Bremer, the now-departed head of the now-defunct Coalition Provisional Authority, go to the heart of Bush administration plans in Iraq. They lock in sweeping advantages to American firms, ensuring long-term U.S. economic advantage while guaranteeing few, if any, benefits to the Iraqi people.

The Bremer orders control every aspect of Iraqi life - from the use of car horns to the privatization of state-owned enterprises. Order No. 39 alone does no less than "transition from a … centrally planned economy to a market economy" virtually overnight and by U.S. fiat.

Although many thought that the "end" of the occupation would also mean the end of the orders, on his last day in Iraq Bremer simply transferred authority for the orders to Prime Minister Iyad Allawi - a 30-year exile with close ties to the CIA and British intelligence.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0805-07.htm
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