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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 11:26 PM
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Must-see video from 1946 on how to recognize "Despotism"
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 11:27 PM by Minstrel Boy
A ten-minute classroom film from Encyclopedia Brittanica. I don't know if I've seen a more damning checklist for America in the Bush era.

As you watch, try imagining how "radical" or "communist" this message would be considered today. I doubt it would be allowed in most classrooms - it would be like using "Dude, Where's My Country?" as a textbook. Profoundly sad, to be reminded by this film how much America has lost.

Some amazing images: as the narrator tells how important it is to look beyond noble phrases to recognize despotism, a scene of a crowd reciting the Pledge of Allegiance fades to a lynching.

Ten minute video. Click right and save (warning, the server is verrrry slow):
http://www.archive.org/download/Despotis1946/Despotis1946.mpg

Streaming available from this page (as well as many other great documentaries):
http://mysite.verizon.net/res7dhyg/id3.html

screenshot:

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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 11:31 PM
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1. I would reply...
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 11:33 PM by BlackVelvetElvis
but I was coerced into signing a Bush Loyalty Form.
Good video! It applies to the media as well.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 11:50 PM
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2. This is awesome.
Maybe we are half way there. Its scarey to see how Orwellian things have gotten.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 12:00 AM
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3. wow. I don't know what to say.
That was deeply disturbing.

The past attempting to prevent the future from repeating their debacles.

I assume it was censored and left to rot in the Encyclopedia Britannica storeroom.

WOW.
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Protected Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 12:01 AM
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4. Wow, all it's missing is "ownership society" jingoism.
Nice find.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 01:09 AM
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5. O h. M y. G o d.
THAT was incredible!
How do we get a copy to everyone on the planet?
FRONT PAGE- NOW!
Thank you so much MB!
BHN
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 08:56 AM
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41. Download, Burn As VCD, Make Lots Of Copies, Distribute.
Easy, quick, and cheap.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 01:11 AM
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6. I have sent that link to a few friends
PLEASE post it in the AM if it is 2nd page - this is disturbing, and important.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 01:14 AM
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7. Wow...
Thank you for this..
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Protected Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 01:20 AM
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8. Other video links for this film
Edited on Thu Sep-16-04 01:45 AM by Jonathan Little
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 02:11 AM
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9. KICK!
This is a MUST see.
BHN
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 08:13 AM
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10. morning kick - ya gotta see it
Shocking to see popular progressive values as a thing of the past.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 08:15 AM
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11. yeah, its a fun one. I've used bits from it in my own video noodlings...
Rick Prelinger is a god! I bow down before his archives! And how cool to put it all online in quality formats, ripe for editing.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 08:24 AM
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12. K...downloading now...
server doesn't seem very slow (I'm getting 230KB+/sec d/l)...
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 12:33 AM
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38. ...
Yeah, I'm averaging around 280kb/sec download.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 08:53 AM
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13. Spooky stuff
Makes me want to pack up my bags and get out of here.

As the community goes, so goes the nation. Yep, yep.
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bpcmxr Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 09:46 AM
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14. Thank you dso much for this!
I just sent the link to everyone on my newslist. Great stuff.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 10:31 AM
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15. Wow!
Powerful video, it is indeed a damning checklist for America in the Bush era. This is scary stuff - thanks for posting!
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 10:50 AM
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16. Really important
This is well worth whatever time it takes to download it. Thanks for finding this and letting us all know about it.

:toast:
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 12:04 PM
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17. Controlling the mind.
The documentary "Propaganda and Control of the Human Mind" (1997) is another great watch. The media is far worse now and I don't know how we are going to take back control - truly horrifying what is happening to our country.

http://mysite.verizon.net/res7dhyg/id3.html


This is a great site with tons of documentaries to download.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 06:31 PM
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18. kick
:kick:
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 01:11 AM
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19. Kick
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 01:57 AM
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20. My God, that is terrifying
Yikes....
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Xenus Sister Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 02:57 AM
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21. Streaming video of Bill Moyers NOW on 9/11 Commission?
Thanks for that. Do you or does anyone have a link for the Bill Moyers thing? I had it, I watched it, but then my Tivo got the television broadcast so I closed the window. Now I don't know what the link was or where I first saw the link.

I desperately want to send it to someone who lives in an area where the NOW was not shown.

Thanks in advance!
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:18 AM
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22. Military Dictatorship USA,

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."

James Madison, while a United States Congressman


Military Dictatorship USA

We usually think of a nation being controlled by a military dictatorship when a military leader seizes control through a putsch, as in the case of General Pervez Musharraf in Pakistan or Saddam Hussein in Iraq. The previous government is overthrown and a military strong man places himself in power with few if any constraints from judicial or legislative oversight.

But we must look for the essence of a military dictatorship, those features which are present whenever this form of oppression occurs. In essence, a military dictatorship is a form of government in which absolute power is concentrated in a repressive ruler or a small clique who use military and police power to dominate the people mentally and physically.


Military Dictatorship USA
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:43 AM
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23. Another KICK
This is too important to let it sink.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 02:08 PM
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24. Kick!
A must see!
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 04:56 PM
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25. Chilling
A fantastic find - I have a list of people I want to send this to tonight. I usually visit archive.org just to use the Wayback Machine; I haven't paid near enough attention to the other amazing things at this site. There's a movie called The Rapture listed on the Open Source Movies page that I'll be watching by stream this weekend and a ton of other resources as well.

Thanks so much for posting the links.

Open Source Movies
http://www.archive.org/movies/opensource_movies.php


The Rapture
http://www.archive.org/movies/movies-details-db.php?collection=opensource_movies&collectionid=RAPTURE&from=BA&PHPSESSID=94a1f53bb501ae5a5e774e570ae0437c

Truly amazing piece of religious propaganda from 1941. Alternately terrifying and hilarious; depending on your point of view. This short was featured prominently in Diane Keaton's film "Heaven".

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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 08:40 PM
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26. i'm going to give this one more kick...
just cause the message is so good.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 09:53 PM
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27. Watch the part about Media control over and over.....
They had it nailed almost 60 years ago,now look what we have.

David
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 10:32 PM
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28. That's the segment that shocked me the most.
Not much Chomsky could disagree with.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 11:14 PM
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29. Kick. Folks need to learn from the past. (nt)
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UNIXcock Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 11:41 PM
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31. many parallels w/today's society
scary
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Unforgiven Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 11:39 PM
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30. Kick
Thanks for posting this, gonna burn it to disc and pass it around work. Great info.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 11:43 PM
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32. That was really interesting
At first, some of the imagery looked contrived (especially the training of teachers section), but as I watched more of it I realized that it is a pretty accurate representation.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 11:35 AM
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33. Kick.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 06:11 PM
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34. Thanks for the Links eom/
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 11:30 PM
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35. havent watched yet
but this is archive.org...always fast speeds! its just a big file, so it takes awhile

255k/sec on cable
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BMJ Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 12:20 AM
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36. Scary how the "Economic balance / Information control" reflects today
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 12:32 AM
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37. Going by their criteria it seems we're well on our way
Now what to do about it. Is there a part deux.
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 12:37 AM
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39. Um like DOWNLOAD THIS MOVIE AND SHOW IT EVERYWHERE
Who said you couldn't learn something from something old and put it to new use?
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cosmicvortex20 Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 12:45 AM
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40. I wouldnt use that spectrum...
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 12:48 AM by cosmicvortex20
Democracy vs despotism isnt the way to go, but instead I use

liberty vs coerciveness

A democracy can turn against its minorities just as in the south in the first half of the 1900s. Democracies doesnt imply that peoples rights wont be violated, only that the majority of people get their way.

Most the time, the masses will use this power to rob and plunder goodies for themselves. When people figure out they can vote themselves goodies, it doesnt take long for the system to unravel.

You can spot people positioning to plunder via democracy generally anytime you hear the terms "public good" and/or "for the children" used. Coercive measures seemed to always be followed by some kind of crazy rational like those. Whenever you hear these terms, better watch that wallet - cause their next move is to go for it.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 09:09 AM
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42. kick kick
kickity kick
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 09:33 AM
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43. Wow! That is amazing! Thanks for posting it. n/t
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abcdan Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 09:55 AM
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44. Pledge of Alliegance!
Early on in the clip they show people finishing saying the Pledge of Alliegance. Notice how they don't say the line "One nation under God" (the way it used to be before it was changed during the Eisenhower admin.) It makes a cool visual aid to shoot down anyone who believes the Pledge is sacred and shouldn't be messed with.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 10:43 AM
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45. kick
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