Sometimes, I Think, Maybe, These Folks Deserve Bush

[louis c]

I fight, (and I mean literally fight) with people who are voting for the worst possible man to ever run for the Presidency, never mind be President, George Bush.

Can you imagine a man voting for Bush who works in a Union job for about $48,000 a year with health benefits that cost $125 a week for a family plan. Who has a 16 year old son approaching draft age. who has two kids in public education, and needs to work overtime to make ends meet. Can you imagine a person like that voting to reselect the President.

Can you imagine he wants four more years of that shit, and all it entails.

I talk 'till I'm blue in the face, and I can't believe anyone can be this blind.

But it's not just one guy, there are so many who treat this election like a football game or a pennant race in baseball. They want to be with who's ahead, or who sells them some jingoistic nonsense.

I know that if that asshole is reselected, I can spend the next 1,431 days, telling them that I was correct, and "I told you so", just like my grand-father did when he supported Al Smith over Herbert Hoover, and just like my father did following Nixon's 1972 Re-Election.

But I'd rather save his son, his job, his health care, and his overtime. But if Bush wins this election, I know my friend loses, I just wish he knew that.

[opihimoimoi]

1. FOOLS RUSH IN

WHAT CAN I SAY??

[RazzleCat]

8. I know, I know, just about ready to toss in the towel

I got friends in almost the exact same economic place, and I am so tired of saying, look, your worse off, look at what's happening! Your a nurse, hey your loosing your overtime. Your a cop, how long do you think your going to keep your overtime, and what abut the fact that your working more and more secondary to make ends meet? Lets not even get into both of you have male children currently in High School, can you say cannon fodder? WAKE UP (and yes this is true, one is my sister in law, the other is a guy I date, its just plain stupid, they cant see what's right for them, let alone their country)

[Ruffhowse]

2. If Bush is re-elected, there is one thing for sure-he will do NOTHING to

help the economy. Nothing, no-thing, NADA! Anyone not doing well in the current economy (and there are many, many of us) can expect ZERO help from Bush after the election. He won't care and he won't do anything at all.

[Swamp Rat]

5. He was never elected in the first place.

Just nitpicking. :)

[louis c]

9. I never said that

"can you imagine....if Bush is reselected."

I never use re-elected in referring to Bush. I did so in reference to Nixon.

Just nit-picking back

[louis c]

10. I just noticed that you were

replying to someone else, I m sorry. Never mind.

[Swamp Rat]

13. Two nitpickers in a pod are we?... luckily not in a "pod."

[louis c]

35. I'm back from work

My life is just fine, and will be so under either. Of course it will be better under Kerry. I feel for those who have children of draft age, who have jobs at risk, who can lose health care.

these are the people that I feel for, not me. I have a job that can't be outsourced (Race Track), I can afford health care for me and my wife even at double the rate. I own my own home with a tenant. I have no children, or grand children, or step children. It's not for me that I'm so passionate, it's for the country that I love.

"A Patriot supports his country all the time, but his government only when it deserves it."...Mark Twain

[Kathy in Cambridge]

37. Do you work at Wonderland or Suffolk Downs?

[0rganism]

42. Wait -- if you have a tenant, then your economic future links to his/hers

albeit indirectly.

So you do have a personal stake in this, via your renter. And if people can't afford to go to your Race Track, you'll get squeezed from that end too.

A lousy economy will get us all eventually.

[Ladyhawk]

3. With most of them, you won't even be able to say, "I told you so."

They'll stick with Bush to the bitter end, even if it means the destruction of the entire world.

[Guava Jelly]

4. they do deserve bush

but the bombed and ripped apart brown skinned children of the world don't deserve that piece of shit

[OneTwentyoNine]

6. Its because Bush lets him have all the guns he wants...

And mama agonizes that abortion is still legal. They'd vote for the village idiot if he was found guilty of murder. Might sound crazy but that's the mind set of hundreds of thousands in Wichita.

David

[Arianrhod]

22. If * was on the streets

mowing down people with one of the NRA's beloved automatic weapons, these followers of "The Prince of Peace" would still follow him.

They are lost forever.

[asjr]

7. One thing astounds me is they think he will

keep them safer. Safer? The worst thing that has happened to this country was on his watch. Then he invades Iraq and creates more "terraist." Pure and simple--they have been brainwashed.

[Skittles]

11. yeah but the PROBLEM is

we get the incompetent bastard too

[izzie]

12. I think it is what they want to believe.

As I have said, it is like the wife who gets beat and will not leave.You also must recall Nixon was voted in by a good percent even in the middle of the whole mess he had made and with Vietnam going full steam. American voters do not always vote for there own good.I think that we just may have people that want what Bush will give them. I am voting Kerry.So do not put me off the site.

[Obamarama]

14. When I hear people start complaining about health care, eceonomy, etc...

I stop them early on in the conversation and ask "Just out of curiosity, who did you vote for in 2000?". Some idiots have been stupid enough to admit they voted for Bush, to which I respond "You got exactly what you voted for, so spare me your sob story. You voted for Bush, you have no grounds to complain."

[zanana]

16. It's time to start holding voters responsible.

If Bush wins, nobody will get away with saying they voted for Bush because they were "fooled" or that they "believed" him. I intend to ask people who they voted for. I have never done this before. If they voted for Bush, they will be told that they are part of the problem.

[Arianrhod]

23. Precisely.

I have no sympathy with those who adore the *.

Let them suffer.

[Kanary]

27. Very appropriate response.

Unfortunately, so many people are so completely unable to connect dots, and immediately go on the defensive, so I doubt it gets through to many.

My only suggestion would be to follow up with "If you want those issues addressed, you have to decide to vote for those who have the best interest of us common folk at heart."

Not that that would probably get through to them.

Kanary

[Aunt Anti-bush]

15. I feel the same way you do.

There are so many idiots who are voting for Bush for rediculous reasons. One guy at work quoted from a Bush campaign website almost word-for-word when I asked him why in the world he's voting for him. People are just stupid.

[Cats Against Frist]

17. Also, the ones who fall for the "tax cut" or "small government" baloney

Not knowing they're actually getting Christo-Fascists. Who would be stupid enough to trade the Bill of Rights for a $600 tax break?

Answer: people who would vote for George Bush

[Arianrhod]

24. Judases. n/t

[Neecy]

18. I know...

I did some phone banking to voters in Independence, MO - home of Harry Truman - this week, and every voter I spoke to save one was solidly Repug.

What shocked me, though, was the number of young women in their 20's who were enthusiastic Bush supporters. As I dialed I kept thinking of the DU'er who posted here about six months ago about how she'd fought for women's choice for so many years, and was just going to stop doing it since all of these young women were voting Republican. If it isn't their fight any longer, is it ours? I don't know.

At least my nephews at college in Missouri report that everyone they know is voting for Kerry, so that gives me a little more hope.

The Democrats overall need to be a little better with message, and keep pounding it home, even in off-election years. I think that's our biggest problem.

[Arianrhod]

19. * embodies the basic sickness of modern society.

Freud warned us in his final book, Civilization and Its Discontents, that human beings are basically raw animals seeking desperately to grasp onto survival, which desperation produces incredibly neurotic and even psychotic behavior--behavior that we hide behind a thin facade of "sophistication" and "intelligence", eating meat with knives and forks and tablecloths and violin music rather than pouncing on defenseless animals with bare nails and teeth, engaging in our "hunting and gathering" in the supermarket rather than in the jungle, subject urges which we subsequently view with mild nausea. He despaired of mankind's future--which he envisioned as a bleak, self-absorbed preoccupation with the basic needs of sex, drugs and rock-and-roll. "We are 'lived'", he said, "by unknown and uncontrollable forces." Although I myself lean towards Jungianism rather than Freudianism, I can't help but acknowledge that, in this observation, he is painfully correct.

How can 51% of the populace embrace a coke-addled, drunken, cowardly, malevolent bully the way they do *, and remain sane, rational human beings? My own view is that they are not sane, they are not rational, and they are not human beings. The very fact that * has to tack the word "compassionate" onto his conservatism is an indictment against the country; the conservatives are anything but compassionate, and their use of the term is disingenuous at best, as well as a tacit acknowledgement thereof. They revel in their inhumanity, their immorality, even as they project themselves as the arbiters of all that is good.

Such is the Puritanism our country is founded upon.

We need to repent.

[Paradise]

20. I think it every day! n/t

[EstimatedProphet]

21. I agree with you. the only problem is

then WE'RE stuck with Bush too, and from the fanaticism of the Freepers I have the uneasy feeling that there's going to be bloodshed involved. They won't be satisfied until the ovens start up.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

25. Yes I can imagine it

Only because there are soooooo many I have run across just like that. For those I encounter with older teenage sons and daughters I always make a point to ask, "So are you prepared to sent Johnnie or Janie off to fight in Iraq? And follow that up with, we have over 1000 dead so far, we're going to need to replace them." And where it should be no suprise by now at the answer I get I am still dumb founded at it. The response usually is "My kids not going over there to get shot, I'll send him/her out of the country". I follow it up with with, oh I see it's ok for other's kids to be killed for an un-necessary war but not yours. That seems to be the mentality. You and yours can do all the dirty work, we'll just sit back here and enjoy our tax cuts while your son/daughter is getting their ass mangled in the middle east!. A huge portion of this country has lost all sense of being human. The compasion and caring for others is all but gone these days. It infuriates me. And what scares me more, these are the very people who, in my opinion, could happen upon some young woman being assualted and just look the other way and pretend it didn't happen. And, still be able to sleep comfortably at night. I often wonder, when Germany was putting Hitler into power, I'm sure there were a certain amount of the public that saw what was happening and knew disaster was at hand. Do you think they felt the same way we feel now?

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. "My kids not going over there to get shot, I'll send him/her out of the

country."

My friend's husband has said the SAME thing. HIS ONE DAMN ISSUE is the "death tax"..."inheritance tax"....they are millionaires so, it DOES affect them, but THAT is all he cares about. Money, money, money, money, money, money.

Yesterday I gave my friend the "Bush Draft" flier, because the draft WILL affect her....she has a 16 year old, she said, "Oh, good, now I can have my husband read about it because he doesn't believe the draft will happen." I told her it IS coming and what will he do if it does? Her reply..."Well, his main concern is the "death tax" he doesn't want the government to take all of our sons' money when we die." My reply..."He does know that law will probably not even exist by the time you and he dies, right? The draft is HERE and NOW." Her reply..."He said if the draft is reinstated, we are going to Mexico." HER dad was from Mexico, her mom is from Puerto Rico. She speaks fluent Spanish and they can easily live off of their millions of $$$ they have in the bank. To hell with everyone else. :grr:

So, meanwhile, another mom walks up to my friend and I and I gave the other mom a Draft flier and it set off another conversation. The other mom says, "I can't believe they want to take girls too!" (she has an 11 year old daughter) and and I told her my youngest brother just missed this because he's 34 and will be 35 in January, but his wife is 2 years younger...she could be included in this draft and they have 3 children. I said.."If Bush is reSelected, we're outta here. Maybe Costa Rica. MY son is NOT fighting ANY war for Bush." Then the mom says, "Well, we can't afford to go anywhere. We have NO savings. We're pretty much stuck."I said "And just think of how many people living in this country are in the same boat. Most have NO savings and cannot afford to take their kids out of this country." THIS was said in front of my millionaire friend and I HOPE she relays the conversation to her greedy ass husband. My friend and this mom are friends too. I hope the mom's remark hit home.

My millionaire friend, btw, HATES Bush and is voting for Kerry...it's her friggin' husband who's thinking of no one but himself. Pretty typical of people of wealth, I'd say. He grew up in a wealthy family...my friend, his wife, didn't.

[against all enemies]

26. How about the National Guard men and women?

Bush lies to them, sends them over to that quagmire, and didn't even fulfill his duty, BUT the cheer him as a hero.

Then they give Kerry a cool reception when he tells them the truth. They deserve Bush too.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

29. I know

And for the life of me I just can not figure out how people get to this stage? What happens that large portions of the population no longer cares that there are starving abused children. No longer gives a second thought to the elderly that have to choose between food and medicine. I have relatives that are so Republican now it is sickening. They use to ALL be Democrats. Then they reached that magical tax bracket or ran to the religious right and their thinking changed. What just kills me is how a few of these relatives in particular had elderly mothers, both of whom have passed away now. But both of these women worked hard to support and raise their kids (and I mean that literally they WORKED), both were very compassionate, giving, careing women and in their elderly years both drew social security and medicare. And thank God for that because they both had very costly very serious illness in their final years. When I remind these particular relatives that were it not for those evil government programs their mothers would have suffered greatly and how could they wish that on someone else's elderly mother. Of course that topic ALWAYS just gets brushed off and never gets discussed. How evil do you have to be to wish on someone else the very things that would just kill your soul to have happen to you? And as for the religious side, I simply say, Do unto others........

[Kanary]

28. Of course that's what they deserve. Unfortunately, poor folk are going to

die by the thousands in the country, without notice, before those who truly deserve * are able to wake up.

Is it fair for poor folk to be sacrificed in order to demonstrate for idiots what they have done?

And, as another poster said, the brown-skinned targets of this misadministration did NOTHING to derseve it.

Dilemma, since so many only learn from bad experience.

Kanary

[GliderGuider]

43. American citizen for a day

FWIW, there are an awful lot of us looking in from the outside who wish we could vote in US elections, if only just this once.

Bush would be outta there before half the votes were counted.

Of course, most of the world is brown-skinned.
Maybe that's his problem...

[Bandit]

30. Tell them you consider them ignorant unless they can give

you a few details of Bush* as CEO of Harken Oil or Arbusto or for that matter Governor of Texas. Ask them if they would hire someone without looking at their past employment. Most have never heard of Arbusto or Harken Oil or how Texas went from a huge surplus to debt under Bush*. Also Texas became the most polluted state, overtaking California, under Bush*. If they can't give you any basics then they are in fact totally ignorant and need to be called on it.

[tedoll78]

32. If bush should "win,"

I will feel no pity for this country.

Losing insurance? Don't whine to me.
More in poverty? I warned you.
No more privacy rights? Tough titty.
Wages stagnating? Waaaah.
Stalled War on Terror? Retarded policies yield retarded results.
Fuel getting more scarce and more expensive? Duh.

The American people have been warned over and over again. No pity here.

[bluedog]

33. play bush like the stock market

ask people if they would risk their life savings on this man based on what he has done in the past 4 years..........everything negative would bring your money value down.........and if one had a child involved with the military.that would be their last bottom dollar to wager on this liar!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

34. I agree with you 100%.....

unfortunately, the rest of us will have to be dragged down along with all the idiots....

[ComerPerro]

36. ME TOO!!!

There are times when I just get fed up trying to reason with people, and then resign myself to just sit back and think, "Fine. If this country wants Bush, if they want global wars that their kids must fight and possibly die in, if they want to work their asses off and never see any benifit while the rich just keep getting their taxes cut, if they don't mind barely being able to afford health insurance while Bush literally gives companies like Halliburton billions of dollars, and if they want the fascism that is definately coming, then they fucking deserve it. It would serve them right."

[dennis4868]

38. Many people.....

are unimformed because the media does not inform their viewers.....if people dont see it on tv then it is as if it never happened....the media does tell their viewers of all the crimes and the corruption of this WH.....there is a cancer in the WH and throughout the executive branch and peolple dont know it...if they knew the the truth Kerry would be up in the polls by 25 points (or better, he could have already been impeached). But the media portrays an image of Bush of honesty and strength and that he is decisive and working every minute of the day fighting the terrorist and protecting us....that is the image that Rove has the media make the peolle belive....we all know it is bullshit because we do our homework and know the truth.

But it is hard for the average person who is working his ass off just to pay the bills and spends 30 minutes a night and perhaps a little more watching the news on TV and cable TV to know what is truly going on....i.e., the lies about Iraq, outing a CIA agent, lying about the air quality in NYC after 911, the mediacre bill fraud and lies, giving up on OBL, etc...

[skygazer]

39. It's frustrating as hell

And there seem to be two talking points that are resonating with the majority of these people - taxes and security.

Those are the two I hear over and over and over. "The Democrats want to tax us to death" or "The Democrats want to raise taxes to support everybody on welfare" (it amazes me how often I hear that). No one seems to listen when you try to explain how bad off financially the whole country is with the deficit sky high and Bush spending billions in Iraq.

Then they tell you how they feel he's made us "safer". I could pull my hair out!!!! "Better to fight them over there than over here." But who!!?? Nobody in Iraq was threatening us! Nobody over there attacked us! How do you feel safer!?

It's like pulling teeth. It's very difficult to combat the scare tactics. Facts don't seem to sink in like fear.

[w4rma]

40. That sounds like a cop-out, imho. The folks in the rest of the world don't

And neither do those of us who disagree with Bush, here in the U.S. And justifying him by saying that some folks deserve him is not right, imho.

[louis c]

41. The point is

How difficult it is to persuade folks to dump Bush, even though reselecting Bush is the worse thing for them, personally.

That's the point. They have far more to lose than I do. They have kids, they need their job and health care. Yet they talk about issues that have no effect on their lives, like "Gay Marriage".

That's the point, the frustrating part of telling someone of on oncoming train, and they ignore your warnings.

Now do you get it. If they laugh at you and ignore you, you almost want to them hit. Remember, I said almost.

[Ivan Sputnik]

44. Never argue with an idiot.

Some people only learn the hard way. Some people only believe what they want to believe. Save your breath for those who are willing to listen, I say.