When Bush gets "concerned" about Russia, do YOU get "concerned?"

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

"President George W. Bush (news - web sites) said on September 15, 2004 he was concerned that recent moves by Russian President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) could undermine democracy in Russia. Bush speaks at the General Conference of the National Guard Association of the United States in Las Vegas, Sept. 14. (Jason Reed/Reuters)"

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040915/photos_ts/mdf696222

[Pallas180]

1. what bushit. he's undermined democracy in America. Russia thinks bushit

is behind the attacks in Russia. Funny thing, none of the hostage takers were Chechnyans

Bush is after the oil in the Caspian Sea.

Half of the Caspian belongs to Russia.

The rush is on.

[TheFarseer]

2. New member of the Axis of Evil?

Guess we'll have to pre-emptively attack Russia now too.

[glarius]

3. Remember when he looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul?

Oh sigh! I guess the love affair is over!.....

[Djinn]

4. Bush doesn't want Putin

referring to or dealing with the Chechen issue as one of "terrorism" yet US supports Georgian attempts to do the very same against the same people.

It's all geopolitical posturing and has nothing to do with terrorism

[BeHereNow]

5. Hang on to your arses-

It's going to go downhill from here.
The train from hell has reached the edge of the cliff.
They're alluding to military action in Iran.
They're hurling insults at China And Russia
who are not going to stand idly by and
watch the neocons make a grab for what's
left of the world's oil.
We be fucked so bad, cause these crazy
mother fuckers are actually going to try it,
and WE are gonna pay for their outrageous actions.
God help us all.
BHN

[anarchy1999]

6. I hope you enjoyed your summer, sure have missed you.

Our sentiments are yours.

Peace and love to you lots.
Come back and see us all here in the "wasteland" soon, okay?

It's soooo nice to see you back. You are a breath of fresh air.

[BeHereNow]

8. Hey you-

I looked at Costa Rica as a possibility on the escapeartist
web site- he has a great link up about establishing
secondary citizenship- my husband is actually starting to
comprehend what is going down and actually said,
"Did you order the book?" after he read the page.
I almost fainted! He GETS it- finally!
I thought I was going to have to leave him behind.
When are you guys going- I think sooner is going to be
better than later at this rate.

Here is the link:
http://www.escapeartist.com/OREQ8/The_Expatriate_Act.html
Love , hugs and mesa margueritas to you guys!
I may see you sooner than you think!
BHN

[Pallas180]

10. That's funny. I was thinking about Costa Rica or Guatemala too

interesting.

Did you know there are a million Americans living in Mexico?

Yeah but the water....

Course, our money won;t go that far anymore...because dumbass has
ruined the value of the dollar too.....

Hey maybe we can have a colony in Costa Rica...

I like margueritas :)

:bounce:

:evilgrin:

and anybody who has kids, get them out of this country, and write the
school they have no permission to give any information about your child to the government. (the wackos have sent out questionnaires to all the schools - for their hundred years wars..figuring where their cannon fodder is going to come from...how many in each age group etc.)

I wanna see those two ditz daughters of dimwit go to Iraq - before anyone else's children.

[anarchy1999]

17. Just a quick short FYI, there already is a "colony" in Costa Rica.

How do you think that they had "their" country's name removed from the "Coalition". Two of our very best friends are living there now, and have been active in Southern America for a very long time and we are so not surprised. She and her husband came home to the US for the SOA watch, then to Dallas for the Award Dinner and then back home to Costa Rica.

They put their home up for sale when the US started dropping bombs in Iraq in March of 2003. They left shortly after. We miss her and her husband always, I only hope that I can get to them soon. She is as much an inspiration to me as Granny D.

[Pallas180]

28. Hi Anarchy, I knew a native of Costa Rica....very nice person,

he told me about Costa Rica...and if all the natives are sweet like
he was, it wouldn't be bad...

although they do have a volcano, did you know?

Maybe it's time for a visit to Costa Rica

I need to get my passport updated.

[LSK]

36. I think New Zealand might be the best place

Southern Hemisphere

1000 miles from any other continent.

[Pallas180]

7. BEHERE - I luv the way you write. Calm down though - I think

the CIA and FBI , the good side of them, and maybe the military aren't
going to let them do any more pre-emptives.

They'll get him out of there - we'll get him out of there....and someone normal will try to make peace with the rest of the world

but for sure America will never be trusted again , if we can have enough lunatics in this country to "elect" a lunatic.

[anarchy1999]

9. Pallas180, BHN is as calm as anyone you ever get to meet.

n/t

I'm assuming you've met up with her.

[BeHereNow]

12. Actually, I am not so calm these days....

I am starting to feel REALLY nuts and frantic to
get out of this looney bin of a country!
I am SO angry about what these people are
doing in OUR names! And the fact that they intend
to use OUR children to do it!
I was listening to a woman on local radio tonight-
she was talking about the DU contamination and
the fact that it was a form of genocide, not only
towards the Iraqis, but the soldiers who would not live
long enough to NEED VA hospitals or government help.
THEN she said they have found DU contamination GLOBALLY
in the atmosphere! That was the final straw for me.
I am not so calm tonight...not a bit.
As I said on another post on this thread-
We be fuckkked.
BHN

[BeHereNow]

11. I know, I sure get "riled up," don't I?

Glad you like the way I write, I am the passionate sort, eh?
(This quality annoys the hell out of many people in my life.)
I am SO crushed by what is happening all around us-
The Stanley Hilton interview destroyed me.
Then I started reading Martin Buber and he describes
Bush as a, "I-it" individual so well and I see how THAT is the very
disease which has gripped our collective consciousness
as a country and resulted in this "social collectivity" as he calls it.
He and Tielhard de Chardin both warned of these days,
based on their observations of what they saw in the potential nature
of "men gone bad" and the future of the world.
Too bad no one listened. Too bad no one reads.
(Danielle Steele novels and "People Magazine"
does NOT count as "reading" my fellow Amurikkkans!)

I REALLY think it is too late to turn "it" around and from
here on, it is going to be about surviving "them."
I'll be damned if I am going to live the rest of my life
surrounded by ignorant and arrogant people though!

I asked a fellow amurrrikan to name the continent
where the civilians he referred to as "ragheads who
we should just 'nuke'" lived. He could not.
I asked him If Afghanistan was on the continent he could
not name- he did not know for sure. I asked him if he
had enlisted yet. I don't have to tell you what Mr.
Small-Penus-BIG-Truck said.

This people in this county have brought this on themselves-
through their shameless proclivity to pompous greed and
a grandious sense of entitlement.
Okay- Amurikkka, you are now "entitled" to reap what you
have allowed your government to sow...keep on shopping
and by all means, buy another monster truck.
Rant off-
BHN

[Pallas180]

13. BHN

"I REALLY think it is too late to turn "it" around and from
here on, it is going to be about surviving "them."
I'll be damned if I am going to live the rest of my life
surrounded by ignorant and arrogant people though!"

I agree. Us surviving them...my feelings also

But this made me laugh outloud:

"I asked a fellow amurrrikan to name the continent
where the civilians he referred to as "ragheads who
we should just 'nuke'" lived. He could not.
I asked him If Afghanistan was on the continent he could
not name- he did not know for sure. I asked him if he
had enlisted yet. I don't have to tell you what Mr.
Small-Penus-BIG-Truck said."


The expatriate site was pretty scary. Said things that hit home.
We may be close to what it is talking about, unless some good guys
take charge...for a while the media seemed to be turning against the
cabal, but they seem back in line now, except for Dan Rather...

Maybe removal depends on our getting Stanley Hilton's words out -
and then there's the entire House of Representatives.

I dont know how legal getting another passport would be, especially now when they really check everything - except to go to Mexico - after all, they're letting all the Mexicans in and giving them ddrivers licenses and health care, so maybe they wouldnt mind if we went the other way...

the idea of the doors clamping shut like Nazi Germany or Russia or China really is scary.

[BeHereNow]

14. READ THIS!!!

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheSwiftAdvanceOfaPlannedCoup.htm
Snip from latest at Yurica Report-
Ramblings of Dominionist- THIS is what they plan for our future-
“Our movement will be entirely destructive, and entirely constructive. We will not try to reform the
existing institutions. We only intend to weaken them, and eventually destroy them. We will endeavor
to knock our opponents off-balance and unsettle them at every opportunity. All of our constructive
energies will be dedicated to the creation of our own institutions….

“We will maintain a constant barrage of criticism against the Left. We will attack the very legitimacy
of the Left. We will not give them a moment’s rest. We will endeavor to prove that the Left does not
deserve to hold sway over the heart and mind of a single American. We will offer constant
reminders that there is an alternative, there is a better way. When people have had enough of the
sickness and decay of today’s American culture, they will be embraced by and welcomed into the
New Traditionalist movement. The rejection of the existing society by the people will thus be
accomplished by pushing them and pulling them simultaneously."

“We will use guerrilla tactics to undermine the legitimacy of the dominant regime…

“We must create a countervailing force that is just as adept as the Left at intimidating people and
institutions that are used as tools of left-wing activism but are not ideologically committed, such as
Hollywood celebrities, multinational corporations, and university administrators. We must be feared,
so that they will think twice before opening their mouths…

“We will be results-oriented rather than good intentions-oriented. Making a good-faith effort and
being ideologically sound will be less important than advancing the goals of the movement…

“We need more people with fire in the belly, and we need a message that attracts those kinds of
people….We must reframe this struggle as a moral struggle, as a transcendent struggle, as a
struggle between good and evil. And we must be prepared to explain why this is so. We must
provide the evidence needed to prove this using images and simple terms….”

I repeat- We be fucked.

[Pallas180]

15. Mind Boggling.. So dumbass is a dominionist, this is what he does exactly

four immoral principles of the Dominionist movement as the following:



1) Falsehoods are not only acceptable, they are a necessity. The corollary is: The masses will accept any lie if it is spoken with vigor, energy and dedication.

2) It is necessary to be cast under the cloak of “goodness” whereas all opponents and their ideas must be cast as “evil.”

3) Complete destruction of every opponent must be accomplished through unrelenting personal attacks.

4) The creation of the appearance of overwhelming power and brutality is necessary in order to destroy the will of opponents to launch opposition of any kind.
* * * ** ** ** ******


tomorrow, it's late and I'm tired. too mind boggling to take all of it in now...

You need to make this a separate thread and show more of what is in
the link. Paul Weyrich - The House of Representatives...tore down all
the social programs.....they're almost completely successful, but not
quite.....there are lots and lots of people besides on DU who realize something very bad is going on....

All is not lost - yet.

I wish we could have all of them, every single one of them arrested for sedition.

This is sedition you know. What he wrote is sedition.

Tomorrow

[Pallas180]

16. P.S>

we should get this to LEvin, Kennedy, Conyers, Hillary, Durbin,

Kerry?

[anarchy1999]

19. Do you honestly believe they don't already know all of this?

Why do you think so many are leaving this country?

[anarchy1999]

18. It is so good to have you back!

You are on it. Love you lots.
D&S
Dallas

Hey Pallas, BHN is on it, but so are you, as some of us are. We see the writing on the wall. We are all just running around saying the sky is falling and no one is listening. At what point do you say okay, may the sky fall upon your head? At what point do we say we give? At what point........??? And god knows I love GrannyD and all the rest that say stay and fight the good fight. But I'm beginning to wonder, is there a good fight. When all our best friends are fleeing the country? The ones we have worked with the most and the hardest and have been fighting the "good fight" far longer than we have? When, what do we do?

[Pallas180]

20. Hi Anarchy, I'm pretty astute & involved as you know, & I didnt know.

this needs to be broadcasted far and wide.

Everybody found out about Carlyle...now we're showing the the truth about 911,

I need to understand more about this dominionism...which I dont quite have a handle on yet....

It's not over yet.

And even if Kerry gets in - we can't let this be ignored. The nest of vipers have to be cleaned out of government....

It's not over yet...it's not time to give up yet.

[kayell]

21. I get concerned when * wakes up in the morning

[Pallas180]

22. KAYELL ---- LOL - don;t we all....

:hi:

[Cogito ergo doleo]

23. I used to think it couldn't possibly get worse

but it did, day after day. I started playing a game with my family. We all thought of even worse things he could pull, and then those things happened. Now this, and being a kid in the 1950's hiding under chairs and in abject fear of Russia, I just don't see how it could possibly get worse, but according to the empirical scientific evidence of *’s reign, it will...and that's what really concerns me.

[Pallas180]

25. Visualize this:

[Cogito ergo doleo]

32. That is a thing of beauty!

Thanks...I will.

[Pallas180]

42. LOL. Cogito. Might work

[Pallas180]

24. BeHereNow - Can you explain to me

whether Weyrich has turned against him or not, I don't quite understand...from what I was reading-

does this have anything to do with this Opus Dei thing?

And PS, I tried to internal mail you, but its turned off or wont go through..

Hey, I need some education here :)

Thanks :hi:

[BeHereNow]

26. Turned against who?

Sorry, I am confused!
In answer to the opus dei, yes they
they are as the fleas to the dog.
A symbyotic relationship which also hosts and benefits
the case of corporatist mange on the poor beast.
As far as educating yourself about the dominionists,
the Yurica Report will provide you with hours of study.
A tall bottle of single malt is advisable for after your
study session though, as you probably wont be able
to sleep; for days.

There is a message on the front DU page that the
site will be down for a while...that's probably
why the PM won't go through.
Guess we should all head over to the eunderground soon!
http://www.eunderground.proboards29.com
See ya there!
BHN

[Pallas180]

27. Thanks BH - what I dont understand

is has Weyrich turned against dumbya?

something I read there seemed to say that but it was confusing...

my impression is the right wing fundies have turned against him
for bungling the job. ??

like Scowcroft and Zbignew Zbrinski speaking out against him - he's gotten the access of Afghanistan and Iraq and finished the pipelines across the "Stans" to Turkey and Azberjan...is that why they don't need him anymore?

He's accomplished Weyrich's diminishing all our social programs and
destroyed separation of church and state?

So why are they turning against him in speeches and interviews?



when they're fighting among themselves there's hope for us...

but why are some of the cabal (and the ones on the Azberjan Chamber of
Commerce such as Scowcroft and Bzignew ) criticizing him?

[BeHereNow]

29. I don't think so-

I am not aware of any criticism from the dominionists
towards their appointed/annointed. It would be
considered blasphemy to sputter tongues against the
false teacher.
Now as for the secular corporatists involved, I don't
know- I haven't seen the interviews in which they
are critical of their failed junior partner of their NWO, Inc..
BHN

[Pallas180]

31. BHN - DU internal emailed you.

having trouble finding that site.

[BeHereNow]

33. I just got it and PM'd you!

It is the yurica site- not the eunderground that has
all the dominionist research-
http://www.yuricareport.com
BHN

[truthspeaker]

30. I've been "concerned" since Putin started busting indy media years ago

This new capitalist dictatorship has been in the cards for years. You'd have to be an idiot not to have seen it coming.

Oh, right.

[rocktop15]

34. Russia has the 2nd largest reserve of oil in the world

Food for thought.

We had a NATO G4 star general come and speak to us today in our World Politics class and he discussed the concern of Putin, Russia, and terrorism at great lengths today.

It was quite interesting.

[Pallas180]

35. Hmmm. How come he didnt mention the Caspian oil ?

I dont know that I would believe anyone in military or govt anymore.

and why did a Nato general come to your school ?

Take a look at this map...gee if I had known , you could have taken the map to him. :)

[LSK]

37. Yeah, but they've been using a lot for a long time

Its not like Russia is a 3rd world country that still uses horse and buggies. They have been very industrialized for as long as the US has and they have used a lot of their oil just like the US has used a lot of its own oil.

[Pallas180]

38. LSK - google Caspian Sea Oil and see what you come up with -

[Aidoneus]

39. 3rd largest, actually

Saudi #1, Iran #2 (with the discovery of a new giant field), then Russia.

What exactly (or in general) did this NATO General say about Putin, Russia, and "terrorism" to you today?

[Pallas180]

40. Iran's field wouldn't be on its' shores

of the Caspian would it?

Notice how Bush has surrounded Iran.

[geek tragedy]

41. Back to the USSR

that's where we are, Bush
Back to the USSR