Wahoo!! Kitty Kelly just said Laura Bush was known to sell dime bags

[Pallas180]

of drugs at SMU - and smoked dope big time...

and she interviewed someone who did cocaine at Yale with dumbson

[LeftCoast]

1. I just cannot picture Pickles dealing dope.

Kitty's starting to pile it on a bit thick...

[goclark]

2. I can, why do you think he found her

To marry?

She is not shocked by his behavior. She looks stoned to me all the time.

[gollygee]

6. I think so too

but I think she's on some kind of prescription drug now. I have a family member hooked on prescription drugs and they have the same way about them.

[amber dog democrat]

13. So do I

I don't know anyone from that time who did NOT inhale during their college years.
It also squares with being attracted to and tolerating someone with substance and alchohal abuse behavior patterns.

If she were a straight arrow she would not have married the Chimp.

[papau]

22. May explain her running stop sign, killing boyfriend in his car.

Getting "sleepy" can cause problems like that.

But she only sold dime bags - and she was young - and Kitty has no proof that she continued to sell dime bags after college.

[amber dog democrat]

25. But that was when selling Pot in Texas

could get you 2 years to Life in prison.

That did not change until the late 70s. Even small dealers were presured to turn on their sources. At best you could get a few months in jail and a couple years probation for a first offense. Depended on who you were, who you knew.

You were taking risks back then and it was socially deviant behavior.

Me ? Just a little beer on the weekends. Honest, officer.

[leesa]

34. That's not the point.

[tom_paine]

60. Yep. She's a pillhead now because she has the entire Imperial

Pharmacopeia as her medicine cabinet.

Her and Chimpy both, stoned to the gills on Xanax or something.

[htuttle]

10. Bingo!

Classic addictive behavior. Marry your dealer!

I, for one, have known the most IMPROBABLE pot dealers in my life. Don't put much stock in an outmoded stereotype. The boomers all grew up and got older. Some of them are lawyers, some are ministers, some own grocery stores and SUVs. A lot of them still smoke pot. I'd be willing to wager that for any given 'community of acquaintances' of a few hundred people, there are at least one or two people who could score you some pot, no matter what class, region or race you were looking at.

[karlrschneider]

14. I smoked some pot back in the early 70s...well, quite a bit, actually,

and I was in the inner circles of some VERY influential people as chief pilot of a company run by an extreme Republican guy (Tom Coburn's daddy)...boy, could I name some names...
:eyes:

[Quahog]

81. Amen!

Man, I look back on the petty "dealing" (basically supplying friends with small quantities for the weekend) that went on in college, and who was doing it, and where those people are now... heh! Yeah, all of us who went to college from the mid-60's on have seen this at least, more likely been at least tangentially involved. Interesting that back then it could have landed you in jail for a long time, and nowadays would barely get you a ticket.

I find it totally credible that Pickles was scoring herb for the sorority sisters. What about her would make anyone think this is impossible? Especially given what we know about that era, and about her contemporaries as well as our own?

And you know, at the end of the day, who gives a crap? Man, if my employment or indeed my credibility hinged on whether or not a little hash passed through my dorm room 25 years ago, I would be screwed. Chimpy's coke habit is perhaps mildly more interesting, but again, I think all of this ancient history should really just be left to lie sleeping. Aren't we much more well-armed with the crimes the bush family is committing TODAY?

[sr_pacifica]

160. This is the truth!

You might be surprised at how many people 50 years or older still smoke, and on the outside no one would suspect because they look like upstanding hard-working people and even "square."

[Zorra]

30. Yeah. And when he heard that she killed her boyfriend by running a

stop sign at high speed and smashing into her boyfriends doorless car, he decided that they would make a great team - kind of like "Natural Born Killers", only on an international scale and corporately sanctioned.

[tinanator]

32. why do you think they call it dope?

smoke that stuff and you might end up in her shoes.

[ElectroPrincess]

42. No that bland, staged plastic smile

is the handy-work of a second face lift. It's way too much Pickles, you *really* should have went hiking instead. <eg>

[msanthrope]

71. I thought so, too--I wondered if she

used Liddy Dole's surgeon---

Not good work, eh?

[tridim]

4. I've met plenty of people I would have never expected

to be pot dealers. Unfortunately Kitty's book will be easy to dismiss because she doesn't name any hard sources.

[Dr.Phool]

9. It's easy

20 years ago, I was convicted of trafficking cocaine, and I ran for Congress this year. I was right up-front about it with everyone, and I got a lot of support from people you wouldn't believe.

I think people want honesty in politicians (at least on our side) more than anything, as long as you have the right ideas.

[frankly_fedup2]

26. But isn't that a felony? And would you not be a convicted felon?

Do you know of any current public figures that are convicted felons?? Just wondering.

My first drug was called blotter acid. Then purple microdot. Then smoked Tai sticks (remember them), then Columbian was the weed of choice, or sprinkle a little THC or PCP on top and it was a major buzz that lasted for hours. Otherwise, home grown would give you a little buzz when we couldn't get anything. Did crank, cocaine, eight balls, shared needles because no one knew about AIDS then. I have been tested several times in my life and luckily, I'm okay. Never got busted or arrested for anything. Also, as soon as I found out I was pregnant in 78, I quit everything. I had taken some 18-875's (black beauties and some blue and clears) before I knew I was pregnant as well as some 717's (ludes) and pot, and I was worried the whole time I was pregnant. I thank God my son was fine. I was very lucky not to be affected. He is 25 now with his own son, my grandson, and married to a daughter-in-law that I love as a daughter. My husband still partied and I started back into it after having my son. However, I got really stoned one night and had this infant to take care of (did not breast feed by the way). I just couldn't handle it so I chose my child over the partying. So my husband got bored with me and his son because I chose my son over the drugs and he chose the drugs over his son. We divorced, I met a wonderful man who accepted my son as his own and helped me raise him. Was the best thing to ever happen to me. My ex-husband is currently divorcing his THIRD wife.

Wow, that's almost the story of my life . . . well in the 70's early 80's that is.

Maybe I should run for office?????

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

31. hey, frankly_fedup2, I give you props for your honesty...

You seem to have kept your head (and soul), even during your most drug altered times.

GWB doesn't have the grounding or "soul" to allow him to go through the experiences of altered consciousness without becoming an instant and lifetime addict. He is the drug and the drug is him.

IMHO. MKJ

BTW, if you ran for office in a district where I could vote, you would have my vote, for sure.

[Eloriel]

43. That reminds me of

Toby Keith's song: You ain't much fun since I stopped drinkin'.

[leesa]

49. There are a few in the Bush administartion. Convicted in Iran/Contra

[cheezus]

87. where did you get THC to sprinkle on the weed?

you extracted it from weed to put on weed?

[Pallas180]

8. Think about it. They had to have something in common. From all

reports a lot of women didnt think too much of Dumbya because of his
cocky attitude and lousy personality.

Maybe that's how they met....She sold him a bag...who knows..

But I can picture it. Miss Goody Two Shoes may have more in common
with Grandmotherly Ma Barker.

Remember how everyone thought Barbara Bush was the sweet kind grandmotherly type? Afterwards, the truth came out. What a giant bitch, Mother Corleone.

Could a goody two shoes survive in that family?

Uh uh.

Yup. I dont know if its true, but it is believable.

I'm glad. It curtails Laura's credibility. The gossip will really start.

Every time dumbya is really in trouble they send sweet Laura out.
like about the stem cells.

And today about his missing records. Laura says she's sure those documents CBS has are forgeries. That tells you dumbya is in real trouble and the docs are real.

When middle America hears Laura smoked and dealt, even if they dont believe it, it's a seed of doubt, and they'll never look at her the same way again without looking for signs if she's a bad woman.

as dumbya would woop: Yee Haw.

[Terran]

28. That's a very good point

A goody two-shoes Laura would never have stayed around those thugs--kind of like Princess Dianna and the Windsors, only Dianna was a nice person. It would take someone with the mercenary personality of a drug dealer to hang with them successfully.

[robertpaulsen]

129. Why would Laura be able to interpret a forgery?

That's what's so silly about this CBS forgery "controversy". When did interpreting document forgeries become Laura Bush's area of expertise? Wonder what she's smoking now.

You know, if Dickie Boy had just sent Laura Bush to Niger instead of Joseph Wilson to see if those documents about Saddam seeking uranium were forgeries, they might not be in the mess they are today!

[hippiegranny]

11. I can believe it

She is totally spaced out now, why would you think her to be any different then? I smoked alot of dope back then too, most people did. This is completely within the realm of believability.

[Jack from Charlotte]

90. Let me paint the context of college in the 60's....

As one who was at The University of Florida in the late 60's and early 70's.... not exactly a hot bed of radicalism. Smoking and selling pot were like drinking beer underage is now. It was everywhere and all the time. It was so IN that if you didn't want to partake you faked it and didn't inhale. To not partake was like a college kid not drinking a beer now. Even the most conservative frat's and sororities were full of pot smokers and sellers. It was new at the time and just, too cool. I knew frat guys, star athletes, who many here would know, sorority babe-types and professors who all smoked and many who sold pot.

I knew a dozen prim and proper, Tri-Delt, Laura Bush types who sold dime bags. So if you can't believe it'd happen, you're wrong.

Someone from the news media .....Katie Curac.... needs to ask
Laura "Unsafe at Any speed" Bush if she ever used or sold pot in college. Then we'll see if some SMU ADP comes forward and talks...

[TahitiNut]

94. Indeed. The prim'n'proper All-American types got busted the least.

The cops targeted those "hippy types" - no so much because they did drugs (the cops did too) as because they were "hippies."

[daligirrl]

149. I can. ..

Buyer: "One-up, G"!
Laura: Why, of course! Ten dollars, please. . . and have a nice day!"

[ClintonTyree]

3. I can believe it...................

the well crafted guise of the little Librarian is all a big sham. Christ, she killed her boyfriend and I'll bet she was drunk and or high when it happened.

I've never bought that Librarian bullshit for a minute. You don't marry into a family like that and remain unsoiled.

[jdj]

54. If you marry into a family like that you are "pre-soiled".

[kskiska]

5. She's said many times she was attracted to him

because he was "so fun." If she wasn't a party girl herself, why would a wallflower librarian be attracted to an out-of-control alcoholic/substance abuser?

[gollygee]

7. In fairness

if she grew up in the home of an alcoholic/substance abuser (ie her dad) she could very well have been attracted to that. Lord knows I've suffered from that in my life.

[karlrschneider]

12. Dime bags? Shit, they used to cost me TEN BUCKS!

:evilgrin:

[Pallas180]

16. LOL-I thought dime bags meant $10 bags ? shows ya how much

I know...maybe Kitty said nickel bags....but I thought she said dime
bags.

You are kiddin me right Karl?

[Snotcicles]

20. They were a rip

all stems and seeds, typical repub bate n switch

[SpiralHawk]

24. Well, you know Snotcicles, that was in the BCB era

(Before Common Bud).
and perhaps even BCBB (Before Common Bush Bullshit)

[NEDem]

29. Damn inflation.

[sffreeways]

15. Yes !

She wasn't a goody two shoe either like some here are suggesting. She had an incredibly strange accident where she slammed her car into her boyfriends car and killed him.

I can see it without a doubt in my mind !

You can tell she's a smoker and she's burnt out too !

[Bridget Burke]

17. It was probably just a little sideline.

Buy a pound or a key & sell a few bags to defray expenses. But she didn't really let herself be led astray. She tried to do the right thing. She stayed in school, even though she wasn't sure she was cut out to teach.

Sometimes she wonders whether she should have gone off to Austin with that long-haired boy who drove the oddly painted VW.

[johnfunk]

18. "Dime bag Laura"! HAHAHA -- that should infuriate FReepers!

Next time you're tempted to tell them to go back on their meds, add that if their employer has trimmed their insurance coverage they can always buy a dime bag from the First Stoner... er, First Lady!

[Fridays Child]

131. Laura the Lid Lady.

I don't know about Texas but where I grew up, an ounce of pot was called a lid. Years later, the term "dime bag" came into use in reference to coke, crystal, and crack. And by that time, there was no longer any such thing as a $10 ounce, or a lid, of pot.

[Fridays Child]

137. LOOK! Here's a picture of her from back in the day...

[yardwork]

150. We could start calling her Nickle-Pickles

[kayell]

19. Wierd...I always took her for a pill-head, not a pot-head

[sweetheart]

21. she's a pill head today...

pothead yesterday. As a cannabis smoker, i'm sure that with the help
of a friendly doctor, i could find a suitable replacement coctail of
drugs from the perscription catalogue. Then it all suddenly looks
legal and up to snuff.

Dime bags are rather small for breaking up keys. Likely she sold
ounces or halfs. I can see her there with her scale, ziplock bags
and sticky fingers breaking up buds for her customers. I'm sure it
just prepared her for cooking in the kitchen. Truth be told, dealing
pot is about as complex as making soup.

Funnily, SMU of Waco texas, is not known for its drugs culture, even
back then. If she was busted, likely she'd still be in prison.
Geezz, its too bad they busted someone else. Wouldn't we all be
spared this mess had they caught her instead.

So now, with the power of her presidential physician, she is drugged
up on your dime. Wow, amazing how public-welfare-druggies never
change. Now she's the first lady dealer, selling good cannabis to
all those kiddies and faux-christians on the campaign trail.

[Ilsa]

46. Minor detail:

SMU is in Dallas. Baylor is in Waco.

[mrbill]

58. another minor detail.......

Pickles the Pusher graduated from SMU in 1968, assuming a spring graduation.

SMU was a bit behind the times and marijuana was a rariety on the campus in spring of 1968. Trust me on this one, wish i'd met Pickles at that time.

No way Pickles was dealing dope on this campus.

Kitty was probably slightly mistaken. Not at SMU but at UTA when she was in graduate school.....

Pickles McDope.

[Zen Democrat]

104. For the record, a "dime bag" was an ounce -- back in the day.

An ounce, or a lid, was 10 bucks ... a dime bag. In Dallas and elsewhere in Texas in the late 60's, early 70's.

[sweetheart]

135. amazing the inflation

I've paid up to 1000 for an oz in recent times... amazing that
inflation.

I'm too young to remember being able to get more than a little
bud for 10 bucks. You lucky... ;-)

In my own dope dealing days in texas, we were selling an ounce for
125 bucks 10 years after Ms. Bush. It was mostly mexican sense,
with lovely green hairs. Buy a key and break it up... heck, it was
the way many more folks than would admit, supplemented college
income.

If you head out today to get a dime bag, likely it'll weight the
same as a dime.... amazing how the price has converged with the
weight of a coin... even stranger, how can it be that increased
strength, improved modern distribution, has raised the price of the
crop so much?

[luaneryder]

23. Started reading the book today

Even the intro was great. Never read a Kitty book before and had always blown her off as Enquirer-type tripe. The first chapter has already proven me wrong!

[mitchum]

27. And I bet it was killer weed

[otohara]

35. Not In Midland TX

not back then - All the good weed was in CA from Hawaii - Midland got Mexican weed

Plus, think about it, there's absolutely nothing to do in Midland TX not then, not now -

where's all the meth labs and meth use now - in the midwest where it's boring as hell.

[Bluebear]

33. How dainty.

[vetwife]

36. Do you picture her smoking and drinkin? I think she did it all !

Mama always said you gotta watchthe quite ones. Librarian.
Seriously. I think she and the Shrub had a lot in common. People don't like to party alone. I think she is as out of the loop as he is.

[Neshanic]

37. You culd always tell Laura's bags. Little ribbons and a happy face.

[troublemaker]

38. and they were light fuckin's bags, too. Bitch...

[skygazer]

41. HAHAHAHAHA

I nearly fell off my chair when I read that - touche. :toast:

[peekaloo]

39. lol.....Laura "Two Fingers" Welch.......let's go burn one.

[Neshanic]

40. And her being the good Methodist, she craved mayo and cheese.

[mitchum]

47. LOL!!!

nice one :)

[MidwestMomma]

44. LOL x infinity

If the dark day comes to pass and Smirky McChimpster steals another election, I'll at least have fond memories of the day I got to see a post on DU with the words "Laura Bush was known to sell dime bags"

Thank you Kitty Kelley
Thank you DU

Mrs McChimpster was a pothead.....wohoo!!!!!!

[TryingToWarnYou]

45. Ok, where is the proof for this?

Far be it from me to defend this mis-administration, but for God's sake, where is this stuff coming from? Is it hearsay or is there an arrest record or some other unimpeachable source?

[fob]

55. This is the "era of honor and integrity" proof is determined by the amount

of play in the media. If you hear it, it's a "credible allegation", if you hear it 10 times it's a "very serious allegation that requires further discussion", at 100 times it's a "disturbing development" at 1000 times it's a "fact".

Proof no longer means what you knew it to be.

And I wish I were joking.

[TryingToWarnYou]

57. Ok, if thats the case, then Kitty needs to shut the fuck up.

She is hurting us far more than helping.

In such a close race, something like this is not needed. If its not in the least bit backed up by FACTS, then she is doing damage that Rove and Co. could only hope to do in their dreams.

[chiburb]

61. How does this help Rove and hurt "us"?

If either Bush doesn't like what Kelley writes, or if it isn't true, they can sue. In the meantime, Kelley is on the Today show 3 days in a row, all over the rest of the talk shows, her book is #1 on Amazon.
That makes it legitimate for us to talk about it, laugh about it all we want. WE aren't making this up, and I doubt Kelley is either.

[TryingToWarnYou]

75. It hurts us if it is not based on facts....

If we are going to rely on someone spreading viscious innuendo and potential lies (Ive yet to see any evidence to support her claims, just comments of "well, the repugs do it so its ok if we do it) then we deserve every bit of negative press we get from this as well as the lost voters.

[chiburb]

80. Do you really believe her allegations aren't true?

"If we are going to rely on someone spreading viscious innuendo and potential lies "

I don't see anyone RELYING on anything. I DO see most of us doing everything possible to remove the Illegal Usurper. How does cheering Kelley on have anything to do with what you just posted. Oh... by the way... innuendo? Potential lies? And why does she have to provide evidence to YOU? I suspect she had to provide plenty to her publisher and it's lawyers. Otherwise, this book would be in the 'fiction' section.

"then we deserve every bit of negative press we get from this as well as the lost voters."

Who is the "we" that will get the negative press? Is "we" Ms. Kelley or her publisher? "We" didn't write the book, she did. And for every "lost voter", I'm gonna guess that 50 more will hear of Chimpy's coke use for the 1st time.

And I love it...

[TryingToWarnYou]

83. So we are selling out our integrity and morals because we dislike Bush?

What a grand idea... not.

You wrote:

"I don't see anyone RELYING on anything. I DO see most of us doing everything possible to remove the Illegal Usurper. How does cheering Kelley on have anything to do with what you just posted. Oh... by the way... innuendo? Potential lies? And why does she have to provide evidence to YOU? I suspect she had to provide plenty to her publisher and it's lawyers. Otherwise, this book would be in the 'fiction' section."

Those here that are following this issue have bought her comments lock, stock and barrel without even the the most basic requirement of supporting evidence. I guess now its just enough that someone have something negative to say about Bush for it to be true? Sounds an awful lot like the Freepers and their buying into anything negative about Kerry. If that was the case, we would be demanding proof about the "lies against kerry" and you know it. This is no different. Our requirement for facts shouldnt be dependent on who is making the allegations.

And yes, its all innuendo and potential lies until some facts surface. This is no more than we would expect of the Freeps and their BS with Kerry. There is also a difference with a lawyer covering her ass from a lawsuit vs. determining whats fact and fiction. The only way to know if what she says is true is if her sources are evaluated. Again, this is no more than what we would all be expecting for the Freepers and the SBVT assholes. Why should KK be any different?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

108. Kitty Kelly has documented her book to the nth detail. She has....

...chosen NOT to publish some of the information she uncovered because she was not satisfied with the evidentiary back-up.

I don't know what your problem is, but until you have some information that disputes what she has written in her book you should take a chill-pill and relax. Maybe you ought to try reading the book first before lashing out like a spoiled child.

By the way, have you noticed that nobody is stepping forward to sue her? Gee...I wonder why that is?

[TryingToWarnYou]

151. Great, so she was selective...

I dont have a problem other than not wanting us to look like Kool Aid drinking idiots for believing in something without some solid facts.

And last time I checked, asking for someone to back up their claims is not "lashing out like a spoiled child". I seriously doubt you encouraged the same tack when the SBVT made their claims.

If even one of our armchair researchers here would give her book a going over like they have done the allegations against Kerry, we might actually know if its worth the paper its written on or not.

By her own admission, she says that she would rather have 'witnesses' to her interviews rather than recordings (she allegedly interviewed 988 people for this book and didnt record a single one..how odd). I find that dubious. Hell, people can lie, but tape never lies. She knows this but yet still relies on word of mouth and people that may be willing to lie.

[teamster633]

62. Just out of curiousity...

this is hurting us how? Sorta like all those repug lies are hurting them? Puhlease........

[TryingToWarnYou]

76. With all the negative press the Dems get...

why would anyone want more?

It hurts us when there is no iron clad facts to back up her claims. Its just a war of words.

Rove should send her a thank you card.

[fob]

70. No. Since bush* has made this the case then Kelley needs to keep

saying what she's saying til she hits the 1000 repeat mark and defeats these fuckers at their own game!

I forgot one more step, if it's repeated 10,000 times it's Clinton's fault.

[TryingToWarnYou]

78. So its ok if we lie because the repugs do it? Bad logic.

Sorry..we need to be playing it cleaner then them.

The voters arent going to believe a word we promote if we let people spread rumors and fabrications as facts. We do not have the same track record as the conservatives with fooling folks with our lies. We dont need to play that game.

[fob]

82. First of all, I wouldn't put KK on EITHER "team" or side. Secondly,

I believe all her allegations because she has done several other books and I don't recall any of her previous work being uncovered as lies. Has she been successfully sued by her previous subjects? What was the nature of the suit if so? Was it a single point she got "wrong" or was her publisher forced to pull entire books off the shelf and burn them?

The voters arent going to believe a word we promote if we let people spread rumors and fabrications as facts.

Huh? Is the DNC publishing this book? WE have no control over Kitty Kelley, it is up to bush* to respond or not, WE don't have to do anything when someone brings this up as a democratically directed smear other than to shrug our shoulders, shake our heads and say "Yeah, gossip is a bitch. I'd sure hate to have KK go after me, from what I hear she has the connections to get the dirt and if she prints it, it's solid. bush* better get in front of this and anwer these charges or start a slander/libel suit. Tough luck for him he didn't come clean on his own, the American people are very forgiving, but once the coverup begins, that's trouble"

WE should nevr sink to their level, you're correct, that doesn't mean we lay down like rugs and say "Thank you sir may I have another!"

[TryingToWarnYou]

84. If you arent seeing KK as "left" then you arent paying attention.

Its pretty clear that she is kinda biased.

Believe all you want, but I for one am really surprised that we dont have the same level of expectations on her as we do on those from the "other side".

Her facts need to be weighed for truthfulness just like anyone elses. There would be a hundred and one threads here tomorrow trying to sift through the lies if this book was anti-kerry. We need to not adopt the fringe element of the left so readily and be very careful about what we accept as facts without evidence.

And just because we dont "accept" them as part of the left, doesnt mean that their partisan agenda wont be tied to us.

My point is that just because the republicans lie and lie and lie and make shit up is not a license for the left to start doing it. It cheapens us and makes us look like hypocritical asses.

[fob]

89. You're right I haven't been paying attention to KK, as the last I heard

of her was the nancy raygun book. If I haven't been hearing of her, she isn't part of the left (as in the machinery that does the daily heavy lifting). The fact that she pops up every time a bush* or raygun is in the WH hardly makes her Dennis Kucinich.

My point is that just because the republicans lie and lie and lie and make shit up is not a license for the left to start doing it.

You are correct except you haven't shown that the "left" is doing such a thing. As a matter of fact, in all the bullcaca these past weeks, pretty close to 100% of Democratic concerns has been supported by the corresponding documentation whereas the Shit Floats Vets have had the documentation blow them out of the water (pun intendned). IF, and it's a big IF, KK's book is turned as a democratic attack, KK and her group of lawyers that signed off on the thing will defend the facts. As Dems we simply have to defend HER RIGHT to Free Speech and it's out of our hands (Oh, and buy the book).

[TryingToWarnYou]

95. Im sorry, I wasnt very clear...

I meant that we here at DU shouldnt be so eager to just accept her book as gospel with no corroborating evidence having been presented.

For me, and your mileage may vary, I would like to see her evidence of all these things she is alleging. Its not that I doubt them, but I find it kind of incredulous.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

110. Why don't you try reading the book first? That might answer some or....

...all of your questions and concerns.

Gee...what a novel idea! Reading something first before jumping into critical mode! Wow!

[TryingToWarnYou]

142. Critical? No more so than we would be if the issue was reversed.

How many here have read the SBVT book to get the story before jumping into critical mode? Or is that different? Their unsubstantiated claims are no different than Kelleys at this point. Seems like we have a number of good ol fashioned hypocrites here. I promise you that Im not defending those assholes, but I hope you see my point.

Again, its not that I dont believe her claims, but I would like to see her facts regarding some of her claims...such as the "Pickles used to sell dime bags". Seriously, thats a pretty wild claim. What kind of evidence can she provide other than rumor? Was there an arrest? A conviction? An admission from Laura Bush herself?

Another novel idea is to get the facts before swallowing every juicy rumor that comes down the street.

[fob]

112. I agree but with the reverse emphasis. I say we accept her book based

on her past performance (solid afaik) and be prepared for OTHERS to challenge it. In the event it is challenged I would be happy to see her evidence too. It's not that I doubt them, it's that the chances are they are all too real, and will be ravaged anyway.

[TryingToWarnYou]

143. Truth is indefensible. Always.

They can ravage the claims all they want, but if the truth is there, then thats all there is to that. Point is, right now, we dont know what the facts are. We all want so badly for these claims to be real as it would legitimize a real, tangible hatred for this sorry group thats running our nation into the ground. Wanting something so badly doesnt make it so, however.

I simply find it hard to believe such claims without the supporting evidence that should accompany it.

[fob]

157. Are you sure you meant "indefensible"? I understand your reticence

but if you did this with every decision you'd never do anything. If the charges in the book are false of course it will look bad, but for KK, not democrats in general.

KK has presented a book with info in it, I think it's perfectly acceptable to trust her based on her prior merits/reputation for getting difficult information and it's also okay to question her if info comes to light that points to her being wrong. The Shit Floats Vets had no such credibility to begin with since several were on record with statements to the contrary of what they were now saying. And when the head ShitFloater O'kneel is a Nixon protege, the time required to start questioning his info shrinks to nanoseconds!

[TryingToWarnYou]

158. What I meant was that there is no defense to the truth. It is what it is.

The charges, should they be found false, wont just be tied to KK, they will be tied to "The Left" since it is a hardcore anti-Bush book.

After doing some research myself, I dont think anyone should trust her without her presenting ironclad fact. What she has done for this book is interview people and take notes. She hasnt even bothered to record any of the meetings with these so called witnesses and none of them will go on record with their comments. They are often cited as "unnamed" sources. Thats pretty weak 'evidence'.

She tiptoes as close to malice as she can without actually having any so she cant be sued successfully. Thats hardly proof of what she alleges.

The SBVT were just as bad as KK. Their claims were all word of mouth too, but you didnt see anyone here just accepting their version of the 'truth'. Heck no. Everyone here demanded proof and evidence and facts etc. We should do that regardless of the source and especially if the source is known to use unnamed sources, notes on cocktail napkins and people not willing to go on record.

[fob]

161. I figured that's what you meant, but in bush*world, smears and lies

apparently ARE a defense to truth.

I don't see it as anti-bush*, I see it as bush* unplugged. Unplugged from the bullshit that they cover him with so you don't see the real face of the family. We'll just have to agree to disagree about what is a decent criteria for when to challenge a persons story.

Fight on, regardless.

[TryingToWarnYou]

163. Thats pretty sad...

Maybe you can explain to me how word of mouth and notes jotted down on a piece of paper during an interview over drinks or dinner qualifies as proof? Remembering of course that these people also refused to go on record and are identified as "unnamed sources".

Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that if someone with the above listed characteristics released a book about Kerry or Clinton or Gore etc. that they would have been drawn and quartered here in a matter of minutes for not having facts etc.

If I want gossip and wild ass allegations, Ill buy the National Enquirer. Its far cheaper than Kelleys book, too.

[fob]

164. I'll try.

Maybe you can explain to me how word of mouth and notes jotted down on a piece of paper during an interview over drinks or dinner qualifies as proof? Remembering of course that these people also refused to go on record and are identified as "unnamed sources".

First, you seem to imply that an interview "over drinks or dinner" somehow disqualifies whatever someone might say. Second, you also seem to infer some sort of bad act since the people "refused to go on record".

I'll take those statements as fact since it doesn't matter anyway. Look, given the subject and their treatment of "enemies", hell even family members (see Sharon Bush*), would YOU go on record? That doesn't mean the stories can't be true. And just because someone wanted to tell their story over "drinks and dinner" doesn't reveal anything either. Word of mouth, that allows for more elaboration to get into a story and would tend to lessen the credibilty, but not necessarily render it false. Notes jotted down, now that is a bit more solid than no notes/recording at all. If there is an issue with soemthing in the book and KK has a note she jotted down during an interview with the person over drinks and dinner, then she can bring that back up and say this is what I recorded and now you are recanting this? It allows for further investigation and verification of the details, like was the person in question where they say they were in the story? A check on the details may support or refute the info, and if they supported it, were I KK I would not necessarily add that to the book, it's better revealed as a rebuttal to interference withthe story. Kind of an "You say this part is not true, then where were you? In Dallas? Then why does this hotel receipt show you WERE in Houston at that time?"


In summary, the info gleaned along the way may not necessarily be outright "proof", but it becomes at the very least another brick in the wall that becomes a hurdle for those involved in the story to explain their way out of.

Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that if someone with the above listed characteristics released a book about Kerry or Clinton or Gore etc. that they would have been drawn and quartered here in a matter of minutes for not having facts etc.

You're right, because Gore and Clinton have been investigated to high heaven and all the similar type shit produced about them has been debunked. As for Kerry, this was alreay tried with the "intern story" that was put out and the bearer simply had/has NO CREDIBILITY. So the charges were challenged and debunked quite readily. So if these "charges" are demonstrably false, it should be easy for bush*co et al to debunk them, that's not our job. I agree that we should not just put out false claim after false claim like the VRWC did/does, but we should not also run cover for them just because the charges "seem" outrageous. There is no charge to out there for this bunch.

[TryingToWarnYou]

144. Truth is indefensible. Always.

They can ravage the claims all they want, but if the truth is there, then thats all there is to that. Point is, right now, we dont know what the facts are. We all want so badly for these claims to be real as it would legitimize a real, tangible hatred for this sorry group thats running our nation into the ground. Wanting something so badly doesnt make it so, however.

I simply find it hard to believe such claims without the supporting evidence that should accompany it.

[kiahzero]

134. Of course she hasn't been successfully sued

It's nigh impossible to win a libel case against a public personality (you have to prove malice, which is incredibly difficult). So she can really write with impunity.

[TryingToWarnYou]

154. Exactly...

The lawyers made sure she wasnt in the area of malice (which I wouldnt even begin to know how to prove), so whatever she says can be sourced with innuendo, 3rd party commentary, 2nd hand information etc. Personally, I believe she is nothing more than a opportunistic gossip at this point. She will never be able to "prove" any of her allegations with other people that claim such and such is true. The simple act of recording an interview is something she cannot even manage to do, choosing instead to take notes and use unnamed sources.

Just think; if this was someone writing something nasty about the Kerry family, DU members from here to Timbuktu would be having strokes posting thread after thread demanding proof and evidence of claims, not hearsay and word of mouth.

[Pallas180]

72. TTWY - Kelly's facts were checked by 4 sets of lawyers, if she didn't have

the interviewees on tape, she had a witness present during the
interview, as she did with Sharon Bush.

You seem to have a problem with DU'ers dumping on dumbass.

Believe me this book isn't going to hurt democrats and Kerry one bit.
It's #1 on Amazon before it was released.

And it just may be another nail in the dictator's coffin - especially
with the fundie xians.

Lighten up.


:hi: Agent Mike.

[TryingToWarnYou]

79. Hardly

I dont have a problem with anyone dumping on Bush or his gang of cronies. Ive done my fair share of dumping. That said, I dont have to jump on the bandwagon to support what I feel may be unsupported allegations. Just because some attorney says its all ok doesnt mean its so.

To prove what she alleges, she needs to provide her FACTS such as the recordings, the interview notes, the witnesses etc. Just because she is dumping on Bush, dont just accept what she says at face value. We need to ensure this stuff is correct and factual before tossing it out there.

Ill predict right now that it will indeed hurt Kerry in the long run if any of her stuff is found to be made up.

Look at Michael Moore as a good example. He cites his sources and has proof to back up his claims. I believe him. I dont know if I believe KK just yet as her claims are rather outrageous.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[Pallas180]

106. Do me a favor. Stop trying to warn anybody. Plain silliness - attempts

to discourage.

If you haven't listened to her interviews, which I have, youre talking out of your hat.

Yeah right. As soon as Novak tells his sources Kittly Kelley should
produce her tapes and sources.

what's your game? never mind, I dont care what it is.

It aint working.

[TryingToWarnYou]

145. My "game" would be unfamiliar to you...

I know you want all these claims to be true, but seriously, that doesnt make it so. Kelley claiming to have recordings and notes means exactly shit. Where are the actual people that are her sources? What is her evidence other than rumor?

Your post is just more proof of what I have alleged since the beginning with all this; Because the left can lie with impunity, we can to and its ok. Sorry, I dont buy that and it makes me sick to see it.

Pickles selling dime bags? Do you seriously believe that without supporting evidence?

This is just more hypocrisy. When the SBVT made their claims, we were all crying for proof and evidence from them, but when the role is reversed, we dont ask for anything because its exactly what we want to hear regardless of whether or not its true. Fact is irrelevant to us when it comes to Bush and juicy rumors.

If I find her book in the bargain bin at the dollar store, I might pick it up, but Ill be damned if Ill buy it for full price to legitimize a nasty collection of dubious claims based on hearsay.

My standards are just a tad higher than that.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

118. That book would NEVER have been published without extensive....

...fact-checking, something that was provided by four lawyers.

Speaking of "extraordinary claims", where's YOUR proof that Kitty Kelly has not done her homework?

[TryingToWarnYou]

147. Nice try... but Im not the one making wild ass allegations

It will be interesting to see how this book stands up to scrutiny. The lawyers have no way of verifying "FACTS". Take the "Pickels sold dime bags" accusation..

Unless she was arrested for that (and thats not even saying she should have been convicted), I dont see how they can prove it.

Rumor and word of mouth arent much in the way of proof, but I guess if all you want to hear is dirt and fantasy on someone, then word of mouth is fine.

[bloom]

59. It does seem there would be people around

who bought from her who could step up and talk about it.

[Pallas180]

73. Yeah. They did talk about it. To Kelley.

[TryingToWarnYou]

156. Who?

Name some names. Kitty uses the tired and true "unnamed sources" with her 'notes' of the meeting rather than anything that can be substantiated. Why on Earth wouldnt she record her meetings with these people?

Just remember all this the next time someone tries to slime Kerry again. Make sure that you accept what they tell you at face value with little or no evidence for their claims. Somehow though, Ill bet you will be one of the first ones here to demand proof and unimpeachable evidence.

[goclark]

74. They don't keep any records of the Bush family

They can go awol, drive and drink, kill people while driving and EVERYTHING is eeeerasd.

Kitty Kelly is absolutely Lady Columbo to have come out of this with her life. She has never been sued. Where is the rage? I have heard nothing but silence about the book from the Rethugs.

I am beginning to believe that Rove did fake these documents to take the pressure off of the book. Twirling the documents they can control. This book is a whopper!

[Ms. Clio]

48. Too funny--and to think there is a "Laura Bush Promenade"

leading to SMU's central library.

[leesa]

50. We should swamp her with orders for dope.

[Pallas180]

51. that would really be funny. how would you write an order for a nickel bag?

?

[Pallas180]

52. or maybe we should send little baggies and ask them to be filled ?

can you imagine the embarrassment and explosions at the WH ? Rove
huffing and puffing till he bursts like a ballon




bwaaaaa.

[mitchum]

56. AN EXCELLENT IDEA!

good work :)

[AgadorSparticus]

53. FYI: I bought the kitty kelley book for $16.50 at costco today.

it's the cheapest i've seen it yet if anyone is thinking of getting the book.

[Bandit]

63. Sounds like Pickles just got a new name.... "Dime Bag"

:shrug: Sort of tells it all.

[mrbill]

64. Pickles 'Dime Bag' McDope.......

the white house might be a good place to grow hydro.

[Irishladdie]

65. This is going to hurt Kerry...

I hate to say it. Young people like weed. They probably think thats cool. Not to mention its stupid to me. Who cares.............

[Bridget Burke]

66. The young people have other reasons to vote against Bush.

Like not wanting to get drafted. Or not wanting to lose their student aid if they get busted. Or wondering if they can find a job.

Clue: some older people like weed. And some of them remember tight-assed sorority bitches of that generation. While I have great respect for good teachers, many "education majors" in those days were airheads just looking to pass the time until they found a hubby.

What about the older ones who like Bush because he's such a good, Christian man with family values? That's the question.

This book was started long before Kerry was the nominee & he's got nothing to do with it. He's got to stay on the high ground & deal with serious issues. But this is lots of fun for us folks in the peanut gallery.

[Laughing Mirror]

67. Thank you, Bridget, for understanding people, young and old

and you're right, it is a lot of fun for the peanut gallery. Those of us growing up in the 60s must be the most amused by Laura selling dime bags. And I bet few of us are surprised or shocked. Forget about dealing, everybody was a dealer at some point. What would be shocking to me would have been to find out she was a Narc.

[VaYallaDawg]

68. Just about the only people not dealing

were looking for a dealer!!

[Laughing Mirror]

69. Ha! Times never change, do they?

And when they do, it's still the same thing.

[Pallas180]

107. Only if he bought dope from Laura.. BWWAAAAA

[chelsea0011]

77. I bet she weighed them "light on the scale". I know the type.

A pinch for you, a pinch for me.

[wettap]

85. Kitty Kelly will say anything to sell her books

The more outrageous, the better. For her.

I doubt any dyed-in-the-wool Republican could be dissuaded from voting for Bush based on anything written by anybody. Nor do I believe any Democrat actually thinks that Kitty's books are anything more than cheap entertainment. IMHO.

[karlrschneider]

86. I assume your opinion is free...

:eyes:

[wettap]

91. All that I have (that is free) is my opinion.

Kitty Kelly isn't exactly a source for any information other than what will sell her books. Whether is hurts us or helps us.

[Bridget Burke]

92. That depends on your definition of "us"

.....

[wettap]

93. Do any of "us"...

believe that Kitty Kelly sells her books to disseminate truth?

Do you?

I am of the opinion that Ms. Kelly is in the business of selling her books. And nothing sells more books than outrageous claims and accusations.

I have no love for the Bush's. But lets not parade out some gossip whore and proclaim her the bringer of truth.

[Pallas180]

103. " Gossip whore" ? you talking about Karl Rove <grin>

[Media_Lies_Daily]

115. Ann Coulter...is that YOU??

[wettap]

119. Karl Marx... is that YOU?

(nt)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

123. Yep...when backed into a corner and exposed for what they are,...

...Freepers start hurling the commie/pinko label.

How does it feel to be SO predictable?

[wettap]

133. Freeper indeed!

Is there no room in the Democratic "Big Tent" for us moderates?

Or should the Democratic Party abandon us moderates and become the Greens Party?

Hmm?

The Big Question: Are "moderates" the "right kind of Democrats"?

[JSJ]

146. freeper ^ nt

[thebigidea]

152. since when do "moderates" make stupidass commie references?

take your school vouchers and maybe use them to actually find out about this Karl Marx fellow.

[Pallas180]

102. Yeah Bridget - I'm with you on that. lotsa newbies these days eh what?

envision this:

[Pallas180]

96. Wrong. Her books are vetted by 4 sets of lawyers. Believe your sweet Laura

is a drug dealer.

Why not? That's Pappy's and her husband's business.

[wettap]

98. Kitty Kelly isn't a fool.

She knows EXACTLY how much she can get away with. The fact that she makes any accusation that can't be disproven doesn't mean that she isn't a malicious gossip. Nor does it mean its fact. Kitty Kelly is in the business of selling her books, regardless of who she smears/hurts. It would be no different than her smearing Terry Heinz with accusations of "fill in the blank".

I suggest we not hitch our wagon to this nag. Just because her gossip serves us doesn't mean we should embrace it. It brings us down to her level. Is that what we want?

I'd rather be taken seriously.

[Pallas180]

99. I'd rather take down this Nazi administration - and anything that works

toward that end is acceptable.

Go Kitty Kelly.

I haven't noticed Karl Rove and the republicans cleaving to the truth... EVER.

And have you visited that notorius site of NUTJOB right wing wackos with the initials F. R.

Yeah. Sink to their level? that appears to be the only thing that works.

Americans believe and remember all the nasty dirty untrue stuff.

Being polite and above board did not help McGovern or Dukakis or Gore.

So I'll go with Kitty Kelly's smears. GLADLY & GRATEFULLY

[Pallas180]

100. I'd rather take down this Nazi administration - and anything that works

toward that end is acceptable.

Go Kitty Kelly.

I haven't noticed Karl Rove and the republicans cleaving to the truth... EVER.

And have you visited that notorius site of NUTJOB right wing wackos with the initials F. R.

Yeah. Sink to their level? that appears to be the only thing that works.

Americans believe and remember all the nasty dirty untrue stuff.

Being polite and above board did not help McGovern or Dukakis or Gore.

So I'll go with Kitty Kelly's smears. GLADLY & GRATEFULLY

[wettap]

136. Really? You'd sell your soul...

... and whatever virtues you held dear to smear your enemy?

And who is to say that this "smear" won't backfire?

Already, there is a backlash against the Kerry campaign with the "memo-gate/60 Minutes" fall out. (regardless of who started it) Are we to assume that Kitty Kelly's book helps the Democratic Party?

Or does it just make us look petty when we hitch our wagon to this nag?

Again, my problem is with Kitty Kelly. Why are we hooking up with a gossip whore? Does it serve the Democratic Party if it alienates truth seekers?

---------------------------------------

Well, we're not ones to go around spreadin rumours,
really we're just not the gossipy kind,
no you'll never hear one of us repeating gossip,
so you'd better be sure and listen close the first time!

[Pallas180]

101. I'm a "dyed in the wool" dem & I believe every word specially Sharon Bush'

dumping on her ex in laws.

Newsflash: Kitty Kelly taped every interview, and the ones that would not allow taping, she had a witness with her listening to the story,.

Sorry Mr. Newbie. - good gambit...no dice

[wettap]

109. It's Mrs. Newbie...

and like I said, Kitty Kelly sells books, not truth. If she sold truth, nobody would have ever heard of her.

To take this discussion to its extreme, would you believe Joseph Goebbels if he spouted what you wanted to hear? The fact that Kitty taped her interviews, or had witnesses is meaningless. Insisting that what Kitty Kelly spouts is truth is akin to saying the Bible/Qu'ran/Torah is God's actual, unadulterated word.

She is a gossip whore, and cannot be taken seriously. That is my point.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

114. Oh, brother....look what we got here folks!....

Oh, by the way...if you're looking for Joseph Goebbels, try looking at Karl Rove.

[wettap]

122. Problem with my analogy?

Goebbels though that the people should be told what the Nazi party wanted them to hear. How does that differ from your view that Kitty Kelly is someone who disseminates "truth"?

Prove (to all of us) that Kitty Kelly isn't a gossip whore out to sell books.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

128. To what "analogy" are you referring? All I see from you are flames.

[wettap]

138. I flame Kitty Kelly.

Please be so kind as to point out where I have disrespected the Democratic Party.

If anyone should complain of being "flamed", it should be newer posters who are not of the extreme Leftist variety.

No room in the Big Tent?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

111. And I guess you'll post anything to get attention.

[cheezus]

88. Fifteen bucks, little man

put that shit in my hand
if that money doesn't show
then you owe me owe me owe

my jungle love....

[Pallas180]

116. Hey Cheezus

I've been saying cheezus for years on line - instead of you know what--

you stealing my material?

too bad I didnt think of changing my name to that - it's a good one :)

[DodgeDart]

97. I always took her for a gossip hound.

[Pallas180]

105. #1 on Best selling books. yup cheap trash no one will believe-BWAAAAA

[Media_Lies_Daily]

113. And who are you again, and how long have you been here?

[wettap]

117. Out of curiosity...

... do you have to be an out and out Marxist/Socialist to post here with an opinion, or just someone who appreciates what the Democratic Party stands for? Or just have over 1000 posts that spout what everyone else is saying?

I'd like to know. This Lieberman Democrat wants to know if she is the "right kind of Democrat".

[Pallas180]

120. Aha. That explains it. You wont win friends by calling DU'ers "pinkos"

and as a matter of fact "a lieberman democrat" is what I consider
Bushit Lite, as many do.

Marxist/Socialist indeed.

McCarthy era mud slinger.....

Shame on you.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

121. Do you have to be a goose-stepping fascist to post the trash you've...

...deposited on this board? Based on what you've posted so far, I'd say that you qualify.

And as far as I'm concerned, if you're a "Lieberman Democrat", you might as well be a Republican.

[wettap]

124. What trash is that?

calling Kitty Kelly a gossip whore?

Crucify me, Pontius.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

127. "What trash is that"?? It's equal to your post-count.

[wettap]

132. Explain...

... again about the trash I have posted.

I have not mentioned ONCE anything that is derogotory to the Democratic Party. I said I was a Lieberman Democrat, then get accused of being a McCarthyite. "Bush-lite". And my opinion as a Democrat is lessened by not being a far Leftist? Did I miss something?? The Democratic Party is now only the home to far Leftists???

I HAVE said that Kitty Kelly is a gossip whore who is out to sell books, and who shouldn't be trusted with the truth.

Where is the trash?

[Pallas180]

125. Media - I think it's time to use the

ignore button. Marxist - Socialist really shows whose visiting.

things must be boring over at that other site cause we're getting an
awful lot of visits from those kind.

Don;t get your blood pressure up - we need to be writing emails to
Rather and C B S execs of encouragement and telling them to stand firm
which they are doing. So far.

But if they cave to pressure...all hope for a "free true" press is gone I think.

So let's put our efforts into

[e-mail]

[wettap]

130. I thought that this forum was about the virtues...

... of being a Democrat, not marching lockstep with the far Left? Is not Joe Lieberman a Democrat?

Or am I wrong? Or are we (Democrats) just another wing of the Greens Party? Do "we" all see the issues the same? Do "we" all march lockstep?

Perchance tell us... where do your views differ from the Greens Party? Do you, by chance have more in common with the Greens than you would like to admit?

I guess I am not the right kind of Democrat. I am a Christian too. (another failing of mine). The Repugs tell me that I am not the "right kind of Christian".

Big tent indeed.

[bobbieinok]

139. you haven't been reading this forum very long if you think moderates

are unwelcome at DU

there are very few 'far left' people posting here.....many 'far left' people find DU TOO MODERATE

your complaint of DU bias against moderates is very strange

[wettap]

140. Well, I certainly have been accused of being...

... less than a "real Democrat" due to my views on Kitty Kelly. Though I do have some views that are out of lockstep with some Democrats. School vouchers is one such issue.

I have lurked here for years, and only recently decided to post. I must disagree with you on who posts here. I am of the opinion that far Leftists predominate, or at least the most vocal. Most likely the latter. ;)

The only uniting theme I have been able to gleam from this forum is the universal hatred of GWB. I don't necessarily hate him, only wishing to see him fired and replaced with a Democrat.

[Ms. Clio]

141. Is not Zell Miller a Democrat?

It's clear that you don't have to actually be a Democrat to call yourself one.

[JSJ]

148. no, but you're the right kind of republican nt

[Bridget Burke]

153. I'm more of a Trotskyite......

Although I've flirted with Anarcho-Syndicalism (Fenian Branch).

We know you like Lieberman (even if you spell his name wrong) & school vouchers. Which Democratic ideas do you embrace? There's actually a wide range of opinions represented here.
.

[Misunderestimator]

155. Hey there, DodgeDart, Welcome to DU. What's with the Stars and Bars Flag?

And why do you take her for a gossip hound? I'd think that someone who is actually trying to expose the truth about our reigning family would garner a little more respect, or at least some sort of explanation to back up why you think such a thing.

[donkeyotay]

126. Kitty Kelly made a believer out of me in her interview on CNN

The poor interchangeable blond GOP mouthpiece that was supposed to perform the character assassination got taken apart by Kitty.

OUCH!!!

If old what's her name on CNN doesn't get her act together, she's gonna get fired.

[sr_pacifica]

159. I have no problem with their use of drugs

one thing, supposedly, it was loong ago and every body (exaggeration) did it then. What I have a problem with is the high and mighty, moral arrogance of these people. That contrasted with G.W.'s and Laura's past is what is laughable and ripe for political lampooning.

[Malva Zebrina]

162. We just went through a week of Dan Rather not revealing his source

and a week of Karl Rove's dirty tricks of attacking Dan Rather, not the message, which was that the little puny prick coward was a deserter and a spoiled brat to whom rules, in anything, anywhere, were not for him but for the llittle people.

Now we see the same thing--attack Kitty Kelly for not revealing her sources. No amount of logic will dissuade them--Kelly actually said that many refused to have their names used out of fear of retribution from the Bush family--a family trait that is well knows and documented.

I don't have any white tower or pedestal, I am proud to say. I love the idea that the frump was a dope dealer. Good for Kitty--she will not sued. Laura is such a manufactured, St. Laura wax doll that it is almost a relief that she seems to have done something human.

Today as Laura was stumping for her killer husband who is directly responsible for tens of thousands of innocent deaths because of his evilness that was "miscalculated", drumming up more money for him so he can continue on his path to slaughter and conquest, she was heckled by a distraught woman in the audience,(which was taking place in a public firehouse in New Jersey--) The woman lost her son in the Iraq war and was shouting out her blame of Bush for her son's death.

She was hustled out and ARRESTED!

Laura, the biologist and the handwriting and document expert, continued on with her rehearsed stump speech--touting the "success" of the war on terror and the necessary continuation of the war--war--war. The woman that has been billed as America's "comforter"could not say a word to the distraught mother. Rememeber George saying HE would have to be the one to hug the families of those who die? This wax mannequin, tight skinned, tight assed, tight lipped robot just continued on lauding the advantages of war.

No high and mighty tower for me-in this case, I love the low road-I will laugh at every little moniker applied to her, and every little bit of imaginative stories that would be applied to her.