Im sick and tired of Dems being considered athiests

[mconvente]

And I know many of you guys are too. Many Dems are devote Christians, we just prefer helping poor people afford college and have healthcare rather than allow hicks to hunt with ak-47s. So to take a stand, I made this quick image in photoshop. Hope you guys like it! I think I'm gonna get a t-shirt iron-on thing and turn it into a t-shirt.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/10644339/

It's time we take a stand against bullshit right-wing neocon attacks!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Local Dems

in Harrison have Dem T-shirts with this on the back:

I support our troops,
I am a Christian, and
I am a Democrat!

Like you, the folks at Dem Headquarters there were disgusted with the thought that Christians could only be Republicans. Personally, I think anyone who is practicing their Christian faith would have to NOT be a Republican in the current incarnation of that party.

[movonne]

2. It took years for the media to make it look like this...Pat Robertson,

Jerry Fartwell, etc.....

[Shoeempress]

3. Actually I am an atheist and I live a moral life, including helping

the less fortunate, educating our youth, health care for everyone, not cheating on my spouse, not stealing, you know what most fundies don't do.

[karlrschneider]

6. Exactly! I'm an atheist who believes in the putative teachings of Jesus.

That's not nearly as much an oxymoron as it might sound. Even the "lower" animals understand the principle of the "golden rule" even if they have no ability to articulate it (well, to "us" anyway...we have no idea how smart they really are...)

[Tom_Foolery]

10. Well put. I've said the same thing for years. n/t

[Shoeempress]

20. And basically it is the basis of an orderly society. Working for the

greater good.

[Carla in Ca]

34. I am a proud free-thinker

If Robertson, Falwell and Schuler are the religious ones, we are all in trouble.

[fugue]

4. I'm sick and tired of atheists being considered bad

I'm actually an agnostic, but you get my point.

[Gelliebeans]

7. I am also an atheist

and I am a moral and ethical person towards my fellow human beings, not because I may go to heaven or hell but because it's the right thing to do. Many atheists feel persecuted by the religious communties so many of us have had to keep quiet as not to draw attention to ourselves for self preservation.

[amber dog democrat]

5. Buddy Christ... neat !

I may be one of those Dems you are thinking about, but its ok.
ABB, bro, abb.
I am in agreement with avoiding sweeping generalizations.
My only exception - I would LIKE to own an AK. Just can't afford one now

[Warpy]

8. You can't be truly Christian and Repuglican

This particular atheist has read the words of Jesus in Mark and Matthew, along with the suppressed Gospels, and has come to that very firm conclusion. The teachings aren't in doubt. The Repuglican agenda is totally unchristian.

Repuglicans have suppressed Jesus in favor of Paul and the Old Testament. We can call them many things. Christian isn't one of them.

It's high time the Democrats stop being too polite to point this stuff out.

Edit: Mrs. Malaprop strikes again

[legally blonde]

9. I am a Christian

and I'm also tired of the stereotype. I know plenty of Republicans who are "Christian"--they show up at church once a week but every other day of the week they are anything but.

[stopbush]

11. You say "atheism" like there's something wrong with it.

Why?

[sangh0]

12. What makes you ask that question?

I didn't see one negative word about atheism. I assumed the author didn't like people assuming that s/he was an atheist simply because it was not true.

Also, saying "All Dems are atheists" is a sneaky way to say "You can't believe in God and be a Democrat"

It's simply not true, and it's not a slam against atheists to speak the truth.

[UdoKier]

31. The poster DID call it an "attack"

and he definitely seems to be implying a negative connotation.

[mconvente]

14. I didn't imply that all dems were athiests

I'm just saying that right wing nutto christian neocons always assume that a democrat does not believe in God and Jesus, which is the farthest thing from the truth. I've had people tell me that if I am a Christian that i should be a republican - unbelievable. I'd hope everyone would come to know Jesus, but that doesn't mean I would treat athiests any other way. all I'm saying is that myself and many other people are pissed off over right wing assholes stigmatizing all democrats as non-religious when that is so false.

[partygirl]

13. I am not an athiest

but I am an agnostic. I hope Democrats don't ever get like the Republicans--all "I am a Christian what about you" that would be something that would turn me off a lot.

[skygazer]

15. The issue is deeper than that

It's ridiculous that in this day and age we aren't more tolerant of alternate religions. Why is it so important to emphasize that Dems can be Christians? So what? They can also be Buddhists and Atheists and Pagans and people who worship graven idols.

The emphasis put on, not religion but Christianity, is very obnoxious to me. I don't mean to offend Christians - I respect everyone's spiritual choice which is my point. Rather than defend the fact that Dems are Christians too, we should be embracing the fact that we are diverse.

[jonnyblitz]

16. I am fucking sick of religious bigots thinking atheists are bad.

guess they arent all on the right. :puke:

[RebelOne]

17. Agreed

[not systems]

25. Your right about that.

[Cleita]

18. I'm sick and tired of religion in politics.

Your church, temple or mosque should be a politics free zone. Incidentally as a person who doesn't align herself with institutionalized religion, I still believe in love and compassion for all my fellow humans and other residents of this planet.

[rexcat]

19. and you misspelled atheist...

and as a proud liberal Democrat who happens to be an atheist (and secular humanist) I have really gotten tired of religion in politics. It is such a corrupting force in the US political arena, especially over the past 20 or so years. I do believe Jefferson got it right concerning the seperation of church and state.

[Carla in Ca]

35. I agree

I think freedom from religion is as important as freedom of...that is true Democracy.
Perhaps the argument should be where the real problem seems to be...the "born-again".

[Merlin]

21. So you're the creator of Buddy Christ! Wow! I'm impressed.

There's an invisible man
who lives in the sky
and He needs money,
lots and lots of money.
--George Carlin (The Bishop in Dogma)

If you're on the level, mconvente, I'm in agreement. I am a former Pape, no longer religious. But I certainly know there is a Creator.

[BiggJawn]

22. You say "Atheist" like it's a bad thing or something

I hope you know that we don't "worship Satan"...He's YOUR boogieman, not OURS....

[mondohondo]

23. I don't hate atheists

But I also don't care for how so many ridicule me for my faith in God. Why should I be put on the defensive because I have faith in the Lord? If you don't care to believe that's fine, its your business, but don't treat me like I'm some kind of second-class intellect just because I DO believe.

I happen to be a Roman Catholic. What I found to be really interesting was how Bush bitched at John Paul II that he didn't think the Holy See was doing enough to drive us Catholics into the arms of the borned-again, right wing, freepers. In what I consider to be the ultimate in-your-face, W, the Church recently came out with a pronouncement that it is OK to vote for a candidate who might be pro-choice, provided that you are following your conscience that the candidate's overall record is in line with your beliefs regarding war, care for the sick and impovrished, and economic justice.

Bush sorely miscalculated that he could manipulate the Catholic Church the same way he has the mouth breathers of this country. Now he knows, we ain't that dumb.

[BiggJawn]

24. Oh, dear.....

I seem to recall that Jesus hinted that "being ridiculed" was one of the crosses you were going to have to bear for your Faith.

Let me ask you this. if I were to profess a deeply-held belief in the divinity of Winnie-the-Pooh, would you be respectful of that, or would you be inclined to think and say "That's a pretty stupid superstition..."?

"Bush sorely miscalculated that he could manipulate the Catholic Church the same way he has the mouth breathers of this country."

By "mouth breathers" are you referring to the RW Taliborn-agains who think Bush is their next "Christmas Present"?
Hmmmmmm, if so, who's ridiculing WHO now?

[mondohondo]

27. Oh my goodness

Jesus did a lot more than hint. He said:

"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me" (Matthew 5:11).

Just because Jesus said I am blessed when I am insulted there's nothing in scripture that says that I have to like it, except, perhaps, that I am to turn the other cheek. I interpret that bit of scripture to mean that if you care to strike me on one cheek, I'll turn the other defiantly toward you and let you hit that one too. I don't care, beat me and hurt me, my faith is unshakeable.

I dunno, if you want to bow down in homage before a stuffed child's toy, go ahead. What you believe is your business, not mine.

Are you a mouth breather? Is that why my last comment upset you?

[UdoKier]

32. If he got enough people to bow down to Winnie with him...

Then wrote a book about how Winnie cures all ills and delivers you to the promised land of Nelvana, and they passed it down for about 30 generations, it would be a "mainstream" legitimate religion before you know it.

The only difference between cults and mainstream sects is the number of adherents and the length of time the cult has beeen in existence.

[BiggJawn]

53. You got the point!

I'm happy!

[BiggJawn]

52. "Upset me"?

Did I seem upset? I'm sorry. I was just curious, I'm not as thin-skinned as some folks are. You stated that you didn't like being ridiculed for being a Catholic, then called another group "Mouth-Breathers". I thought that was ironic, and it seems that irony was lost upon you...

which leads us into.....

Sure, it may be "My business", but do you LEAVE it there, or do you then think "Poor misguided soul, he's gonna burn in Hell for his folly..." See, if you have enough contempt for the Evangelical Fundies to call them "Mouth Breathers", then I doubt the sincerity of your believe what you want, I don't care statement. At least I don't hide my contempt of Religion.

And who's to say Winnie is just a "stuffed child's toy"? Perhaps in 2,000 years, we'll see programs on "Discovery" about the search for "The Historical Winnie-The-Pooh", too.

If this civilization doesn't destroy itself in some "jihad", first....

[RevCheesehead]

41. haven't you read "The Tao of Poo" or "The Te of Piglet"?

I think most people have a degree of spirituality, which expresses itself in various forms. (like Star Trek, for example).

[BiggJawn]

54. Yes, I have both of those books.

Nice stories. Good examples of doing the "Right Thing" because it's RIGHT, not because some Sky-Daddy is gonna give you impotence and zits, or give you to his "Bad" son to torment for eternity after you die if you don't.

I don't consider myself a "spiritual" person. I don't know where I came from and I don't care, and after I die, I know I'm gonna be burnt and scattered or buried and left to rot.This is it. This is ALL the life we get, no "Heaven", no karmic recyclingup or down the food chain, no "Hell", no Jack Chick-ish "Pull my Finger!"

You're born, you live, then you die.

[sadiesworld]

55. Nice.

:eyes:

[Hanzo72]

26. dem references to God in speeches

I think the idea of one party being "God's party" is silly. If you look, Bill Clinton frequently references the Bible in his speeches. I think it adds to his charismatic Southern Baptist preacher style of public speaking.

[jdj]

28. Atheists are some of the most sane, moral, sensible people I

have met. I am not one, but being called one is anything but an insult. As always, consider the source.

[Elginoid]

29. I'm tired of athiests being considered and treated as 2nd-class...

and i'm especially tired of living in an increasingly theistic world...er..make that country- the rest of the industrialized world seems to have much more common sense, and much less senseless superstitions.

[UdoKier]

30. Funny, if someone called me an atheist or secular humanist..

...I'd consider it a compliment of the highest order.

However, it would be inaccurate to describe democrats that way, since only about 10% are actually atheist. I believe about 5% of repukes are atheist too. (actually about 20% if they told the truth -everything is about conformity and keeping up with the Joneses for them.

Sad that calling someone an atheist is considered an "attack".

But then again, we attack them for being "fundies"...

[shrike]

33. Bad move, bringing up religion on DU

No issue other than Bush brings out the long knives like this one does. From what I've read, atheists and believers flame equally. I'm starting to think we should have a moratorium on these threads for a while; we have an election to worry about.

[Carla in Ca]

36. Amen

n/t

[Hello_Kitty]

37. Atheists vs Southern Baptists

Supposedly, Atheists have the lowest divorce rate in the U.S. while Southern Baptists have the highest.

[alittlelark]

38. I am also an Atheist.

I have no cloud being, but I do have a need to help my brethren (survival of the species sh*t). I will never F*ck someone over - why? because IT IS WRONG to do so. I will live my life by my moral code - which, at this point, is far superior to the moral code of most Christians.

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

39. I like it!

As an evangelical Christian Dem myself, I get sick and tired of having to explain to people that I'm a Christian, but I'm a Democrat. Let me say it boldly: I'm a Christian, therefore I'm a Democrat.

[RevCheesehead]

40. with all due respect, let's not confuse "religiosity" with "morality"

Do y'all see what's happening? We're dividing ourselves. Some of you are atheists. Fine. But members here are also asian, celebate, unemployed, living alone, lonely...you get my point.

I'm sorry if the language of the original post offended you. Perhaps the sentiment could better be expressed "why do some republicans think that just because I'm a democrat, I'm not a Christian?"

If we keep seeing the world as us/them, then we all are defeated. I worry about my own attitude regarding republicans, because I'm using the Freeper stereotype, and it's not fair.

"One size fits all" is no longer true in the Women's department (it's now "one size fits most". And for goodness' sake, we can't afford to polarize one another, can we?


Oh - and just for the record, Jesus is a liberal.

[Zorbet55]

43. Why did you start this post, Rev?

This is a divisive issue that crosses both party lines. I don't think it was wise for you to have started it to begin with.:hi:

[RevCheesehead]

44. I did not start the post. My response is to the above comments.

[Zorbet55]

45. Then if you did not start the posts

then why are we talking about it? :silly: :hug:
Sorrry...I was just bored and playing with you.
Please forgive me......pleeezzzzeeeeee.

[RevCheesehead]

47. thanks for the clarification...

...it's been a rough day, and I'm a bit sensitive. I just see so much hatred everywhere - and believe it or not, even pastors get discouraged.

:hug:

[Zorbet55]

48. It's all right

I should have included a smiley in my original post to let you know I was just mis-behaving. Sometimes, I become too serious for my own good and find a need to smile sometimes. I like you plenty and wouldn't say anything but kindnesses to you ever. :toast:

[Zorbet55]

42. Republicans get sick and tired being serial killers

but they just have to grin and bear it. Carpet cleaners get tired of being called beer distributors. Democrats get tired of being called abortionists. Each party has all kinds to be truthful, but I think they have had more serial killers. Bundy was a Retardican.

[mike_c]

46. proud liberal atheist here....

I'm just sayin'.

[jsw_81]

49. What's wrong with atheism?

I'm proud to be an atheist.

[JackDragna]

51. I don't think this is a critique of atheism..

..rather, a critique of the view that liberals can't really be religious in the same way Republicans are.

[JackDragna]

50. I'm an atheist..

..and I think it's terrible we're all portrayed as atheists as well. Democrats embody a diasopora of religious opinion Republicans could never hope to match. It's just part of the pidgeonholing righties have to do with us to keep their fractured worldview from driving them insane.

Wait. More insane than they already are.