Few want to talk about it: Bush* government murdering civilians in Iraq

[Q]

- These are war crimes. Crimes against humanity. Where is the 'party of the people' on this issue? Where is the outrage?

[NJCher]

1. here's part of your answer

This article says that the media isn't telling the story.

US media covers up American war crimes in Iraq
By Barry Grey
15 September 2004
Every day, US military forces in Iraq are attacking civilian populations in a calculated effort to drown a growing popular insurgency in blood. But one would hardly know the dimensions or brutality of the atrocities being carried out in the name of the American people from the sparse and sanitized coverage provided by the major press and broadcast outlets that purport to disseminate “the news.”
The US media—owned and controlled by a handful of huge corporate conglomerates—play an indispensable role in the mass murder of Iraqi men, women and children. Together with the Bush administration and the two major parties of US imperialism—the Democratic Party and its presidential candidate John Kerry, no less than their Republican rivals—the media are complicit in a crime against humanity of immense proportions, one that dwarfs any crimes committed by the various political leaders who have been targeted for destruction by the American ruling elite in recent years: from Panama’s Noriega, to Serbia’s Milosevic, to Saddam Hussein himself.
One can stare at the 24-hour cable news networks from sunup to sundown and get no sense of the carnage in towns and cities from Baghdad, to Fallujah, to Ramadi, to Hilla in the south and Tal Afar in the north that is left in the wake of US rockets, bombs, tank shells and sniper rounds. The evening news reports of the major networks provide at most a fleeting image of the death and destruction, inevitably hedged with absurd avowals from the US military that “precision” attacks were carried out against “terrorist” and “anti-Iraqi” targets.

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more at commmondreams.org


Cher

[bread_and_roses]

24. Can you link this?

I tried to find the article and couldn't...I'd like to read the rest. Thanks.

[RapidCreek]

33. Yea Golly...howcome they never show the "good things"

happening in Iraq? Goddam liberal media!!!

RC

[Bluebear]

2. No, those aren't civilians, they are "insurgents"

Get with the lingo. Any civilians killed are insurgents, brown-skins, evildoers, extremists, help me out here, I know there's a few I am missing.

[Disturbed]

4. Dem party in Congress knows...

but they all have vested interests and work for the Oligarchy.
As long as the majority of the American people support the Iraq colonization the slaughter will continue.

Democracy for Iraq is a freakin' lie repeated ad nauseum.
Here is the proof that niether Repubs or Dems give a damn about democracy for Iraq.

The Hand-Over That Wasn't: Illegal Orders give the US a Lock on Iraq's Economy
by Antonia Juhasz

Officially, the U.S. occupation of Iraq ended on June 28, 2004. But in reality, the United States is still in charge: Not only do 138,000 troops remain to control the streets, but the "100 Orders" of L. Paul Bremer III remain to control the economy.

These little noticed orders enacted by Bremer, the now-departed head of the now-defunct Coalition Provisional Authority, go to the heart of Bush administration plans in Iraq. They lock in sweeping advantages to American firms, ensuring long-term U.S. economic advantage while guaranteeing few, if any, benefits to the Iraqi people.

The Bremer orders control every aspect of Iraqi life - from the use of car horns to the privatization of state-owned enterprises. Order No. 39 alone does no less than "transition from a … centrally planned economy to a market economy" virtually overnight and by U.S. fiat.

Although many thought that the "end" of the occupation would also mean the end of the orders, on his last day in Iraq Bremer simply transferred authority for the orders to Prime Minister Iyad Allawi - a 30-year exile with close ties to the CIA and British intelligence.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0805-07.htm

[Ms. Clio]

11. Terrorists

[RapidCreek]

34. From the Dark Side...

oh and you forgot terists.

RC

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. The message is: No matter how many people are killed in Iraq

it keeps us safer, since we have brought the war to them.

This is of course senseless, however bush says this on the stump every fucking day now

[leftchick]

5. I second that....

Where is the outrage?... :grr:

[sweetheart]

6. We need to put down our war criminals

right speedy quick! This aggressive war to mass murder civilians
stinks of hitler to high heaven, and geez, is more criminal than any
criminal agency on earth today. The illegitimate government of
the USA is the primary terrorist on earth. A part of me wishes
that all those dead iraqi's dying "curse" were to befall the bush
administration and its cohorts. Then washington DC might be a
field of glass, and all of them dead and forgotten.

Heck, if they nuked DC and wiped out bush and the pukes, i'd dance
the highland fling. What a great day it would be, a day where the
restoration of democracy could be celebrated, after a sad eulogy for
the american civilians who had to die to restore order in the world.

Geez, don't they hate it when the rhetoric is turned on themselves!

[DodgeDart]

7. War is Hell

[Disturbed]

8. Yeah, War Is Hell.

And the Neo Fascists started two of them which the cannot win. Oh but their friends got richer from the blood of others.

[chelaque liberal]

13. Incompetent as well as evil.

[chelaque liberal]

9. A war that didn't need to happen is something much worse than that.

[Ms. Clio]

10. Tell that to the victims of the Nazis n/t

[DodgeDart]

12. Very True

6 million Jews...slaughtered

[Ms. Clio]

14. And tens of thousands of Afghans and Iraqis...slaughtered

When they are not being tortured.

Your posts all have a certain sameness to them.

Enjoy your stay.

[DodgeDart]

21. What the

hell are you talking about? The Nazis did kill Jews. I just agreed with that person. Enjoy my stay? What does that mean? I simply agreed. Nothing more. Are you drinking?

[Ms. Clio]

23. So what about the Iraqis who are dying--that's what this thread is about?

All you seem to offer in response to that is the incredibly trite and lame comment that "war is hell."

And just to be clear--the Nazis killed lots of other people besides Jews--just like the Americans have slaughtered millions, from the Great Plains of the West to the jungles of Vietnam.

I'm not drinking anything, and certainly not the Kool Aid.

[DodgeDart]

25. The post I responded to

mentioned NAZIS. If you are upset because it was off topic then you should complain to that person. Innocent civilians in Iraq dying is a tragedy as well. Is there anything else you would like to grill me on?

[Ms. Clio]

28. The post you responded to was mine

Sorry you're so confused.

[Q]

16. Indiscriminately killing civilians is NOT war...

...it's murder. NONE of the thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians killed had anything to do with the attacks on 9-11 or any kind of terrorism. So why are we knowingly killing them? What does an eight year old girl or a eight month old baby have to do with terrorism?

- One time may be an accident or collatoral damage...but the Bush* government continues to bomb residential areas and fire into crowds of unarmed people. After the first time it's considered murder and a war crime.

[greekspeak]

15. How can they be outraged when they are busy licking Puke boots

Lap dogs. Congress is full of Pukes and Lapdogs. There are the good ones...Frank...Clinton...but the lapdogs run the show called "Second Fiddle."

[Disturbed]

18. The Neo Fascists and the Mass Media.

Frame this war on Iraq as the Insurgency is fighting against democracy and that they are terrorists and anti-Iraqi Govt. forces.
Most Americans believe this lie. The regime in Iraq is nothing more that a puppet apparatus and those supposed Jan. elections will be a fraud on the Iraqis and Americans.

Most Iraqis know that what is going on is no less than colonization. As long as most Americans support this war on Iraq the bloodshed will continue. The rational that Iraq will explode into civil war if the US forces leave may be true but is that the American people's responsibilty? Should Americans keep paying in US troops lives and maiming and more than the $200 billion already poured down the toilet? Will Iraq not sell their oil to the US after they have settled their differences and forge some sort of country even if it may be in three territories?

H. Dean was right. "Wrong war. Wrong time. Wrong country." It is time to do the right thing and plan for the end of the Occupation.

[Q]

17. What the HELL is wrong with this country...

...when they allow this type of thing to happen?

- It's bad enough that we're all suppose to pretend that this atrocity in Iraq is part of the war on terrorism...but now we're suppose to pretend that everyone that dies there is a 'terrorist'.

[bread_and_roses]

19. Yes, what the hell is wrong?

I keep waiting for some surge of outrage, some upswell of rejection at killing children, some awareness of the horror we have visited on this country...waiting, waiting.

[G_j]

20. what is the price of a soul?

I don't know. But I do know that I'd prefer to die than do what these people have done.

[Tsiyu]

22. Islamofascists- that's what freeps call them now

I e-mailed a few Repukes this week about this and got in return an essay entitled "resolve" concerning the grave threat Islamofascists pose to the US. I promptly responded that it was the Christiofascists I was more concerned with.

Dead babies are only an outrage when they are pre-born. Once they pop out of the breeder-woman, you can blow them up all you like. That seems to be the stance of the GOP Pro-life Nazis.

"It's not a choice; it's a person"

"It's not a CASUALTY. It's a dead or maimed PERSON."

[G_j]

26. fascists?

I think they have their definitions mixed up.
But if they look in the mirror...

[Tsiyu]

29. You got it

Sound of head of nail....hit hard.

[bvar22]

30. "Christofascist"...not bad.

I may start using this (with your permission, of course)

[drunkdriver-in-chief]

27. Bush is protected by the monstrousness of his crimes

No one will accuse him of these horrible things because it makes us all look bad.

[bvar22]

31. no longer an "Invasion" or "Occupation":

This is bush*s War on the Iraqi People!

[knowbody0]

32. bush war

i love dodge darts. i owned two. sigh. amerikan wars against non whites are shameful legacy of war crimes, crimes against humanity. kerry stated back in the 70's that boot camp was genocide