For those unaware, the plan to blow up Iraq is here:

[Bread and Circus]

www.newamericancentury.org

Below is a list of links to their articles that spell out and encourage a plan to wage open and total war on Iraq, well before 9/11.
It seems as if everything they've wanted has come to pass with the Presidency of Bush...up until the point Iraq went sour.

This is probably alot more important than superscript th and proportional spacing. THIS IS THE PLAN to wage war on Iraq laid out in graphic detail well before 9/11. Anyone with half a brain could see that the Iraq war was cooked up by these guys and 9/11 + WOMD was just an excuse.

In fact, if anyone in our press (say NYT or CBS) took the time to do a full investigation on this group, I'd think they could blow open what sort of aggressive Imperialistic mendacity this country's foreign policy has fallen prey to.

Moreover, aside from Clark and the occasional word or two from a few top Democrats, why aren't the Leaders of the Left coming out on this?
I find this very distressing and probably most depressing.

After all the dust has cleared, this PNAC group will be in the history books, count on that. If anyone has had more of a role in starting the Iraq war than these folks, I'd like someone to inform me.

Bush is just a puppet.

Here you go, each article has a statement encouraging open war on Iraq and removing Saddam by force.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/Editorial_Jan4-11_99.pdf

http://www.newamericancentury.org/Schmitt-112000.pdf

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq_pdf_01.pdf

http://www.newamericancentury.org/AttackIraq-Nov16,98.pdf

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this one even goes so far as tying aggression toward Iraq to access to oil.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-092898.htm

"Control of the southern zone would give Saddam's opponents a staging area to which discontented Iraqi army units could defect, as well as
access to the country's largest oil field."

They are talking about an Iraqi opposition force (but one propped up by us (my emphasis)).

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http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqsep1898.htm

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-013098.htm

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

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http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-20040426.htm

Here's some machiavellian stuff about Sadr, well before I think
a lot of us heard about the guy (back in April, even before the
mission was "accomplished":

"For the Shiites, a seven-point plan:


(1) At all times treat Grand Ayatollah Sistani as the leader of the Shiite community. Even if Sistani isn’t clearly in control--and Moktada al-Sadr is trying hard to challenge Iraq’s preeminent divine--act as if he ought to be. The ayatollah is America’s most essential ally in Iraq, regardless of whether the Americans and the Iraqis like to publicly admit it.


(2) Realize we have more maneuvering room with the rebellion of Sadr than with the Sunnis in Falluja. This means, first and foremost, don’t attack the holy city of Najaf. There are many reasons why the Iraqi Shiites today loathe the Saudis, but up there at the top is the memory of Wahhabi holy warriors besieging and sacking Shiite shrine cities in Iraq repeatedly throughout the 19th century. If we go into Najaf in force, we will lose Grand Ayatollah Sistani, who is the guardian of the holy city. We lose him, we lose the country. There may conceivably be some wiggle room for a lightning-fast strike directly against Sadr, but it’s most doubtful that American intelligence could ever supply the information needed to make this tactically possible. It’s also most unlikely that the senior clergy of Najaf’s clerical establishment, the Hawza, would countenance such a strike, though they detest Sadr. There is nothing wrong, however, with going after Sadr’s men elsewhere in the country if they engage in any violent actions against Iraqis, Americans, or our allies. And if they attack, we should respond immediately with lethal force.mmm "

Interestingly, the say we've lost Iraq if we used force in Najaf...
ahem...that is quite interesting...

Also, interesting, they were already talking up about the trouble w/ Sadr. Did they REALLY know what we were getting into?

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Anyway, I think if people want to know who is really running
our foreign policy they should know this group well. These are the
diabolical minds puppeteering the POTUS.

Founding "fathers of PNAC"

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz

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I rec'd anyone interested download all of this stuff to your
hard-drive. If ever people realize the plot to wage war on Iraq
was well before 9/11 and it became political, this site would be
taken down

Perhaps, we should alert CBS and the Daily News of this site
before it's gone.

Happy reading and keep this kicked. New DU'ers may not know
about PNAC.

[Seldona]

1. Only problem is,

for the radical right, that sight only reinforces their love of *Bush.

As I see it, this whole election basically boils down to whether or not America should shoot for an empire.

While many are indeed waking up to the fact that this was planned well in advance, I simply question whether or not the average American would even care.

In fact the right would spin this as a 'We had a plan' type thing, and it may even backfire.

Remember, we are living in bizarro world these days...

Just my 2 cents.

[Bread and Circus]

2. This "we had a plan" is in contradiction to the "every thing changed...

since 9/11" canard. In fact nothing changed, everything went according to plan.

A fucking smart journalist would be all over this.

Damn Michael Moore should be all over this.

[Seldona]

3. I would agree.

In fact I found the PNAC site years ago.

However as much as I have spread it around, especially to the cons I know, it made zero difference.

I am most likely way off base here, I usually am.

But like I mentioned this is a long, drawn out, Twilight Zone episode.

To me it is striking proof that this administration was simply looking for a reason.

In fact it states right in one of the docs that they 'NEED' another Perl Harbor type event!

Yet though that site has been there for years, NOTHING has come of it.

Like I said, just my 2 cents.

If some hungry reporter can make something of this I would certainly commend them.

I just don't think it is going to happen.

Then again, I am most definately in a negative mode lately.

Fed up I guess.

I will shut up now.

:)

[AntiFascist]

7. I love your icon....

but I have to disagree. Don't you think that if the TV pundits would give this the attention it deserves, that people would be concerned about it? In fact, there seem to be some Republicans in the Senate who are now openly criticizing the Bush administration and the future in Iraq. Kudos to Buchanen for at least starting conservatives questioning the neo-cons several years ago.

I think this information should be blasted to all the young liberals on college campuses everywhere who are our future, and let them decide for themselves.

[Leilani]

4. A lot of PaleoCons have discussed this

And they have all been branded anti-Semites for their efforts.

For that reason, & also because of the power of AIPAC, most politicians will not touch this.

Sen. Fritz Hollings has spoken about this; he made a wonderful speech on the Senate floor some months back. He was branded as an anti-Semite, called senile, & other unpleasant things.

He is retiring, so he can t be hurt.

Politicians would rather collect political donations & be reelected, than tell the truth, & that is what it comes down to.

[AntiFascist]

8. Anti-semite??? Please!

There must be a large number of Israelis opposing Sharon who would be happy to "discuss" this.

On the flip side of the coin I've heard perfectly anti-Bush, extremely (otherwise) liberal types who have stated that the best solution is to bomb the hell out of ALL the Middle East. Go figure.

[Minstrel Boy]

18. Neocon is said to be "code" for Jew

Read this and :puke: :

"Discussing the Iraq war with the Washington Post last week, former General Anthony Zinni took the path chosen by so many anti-Semites: he blamed it on the Jews.

"Technically, the former head of the Central Command in the Middle East didn’t say 'Jews.' He instead used a term that has become a new favorite for anti-Semites: 'neoconservatives.' As the name implies, 'neoconservative' was originally meant to denote someone who is a newcomer to the right. In the 90’s, many people self-identified themselves as 'neocons,' but today that term has become synonymous with 'Jews.'"

How shameless - and a wicked offense to all victims of genuine antisemitism - to use the race card in such a way. But it works. And it's a big reason why PNAC doesn't gain traction. (Another big reason is it's dismissed as a "conspiracy theory," and that's poison enough to the mainstream to have them back off, even though PNAC's clearly a conspiracy FACT.)

[Eloriel]

24. Origin of the anti-Semite meme/smear

I always like to post this in these discussions. I think it's information that bears repeating. The whole article is worth reading, btw:

Halper: Yes. Anti-Semitism feeds on the idea that Israel is a victim. The Foreign Ministry of Israel invented a new form of anti-Semitism in the last few years called the 'New anti-Semitism,' and they then found some professors willing to give it some academic credibility. The New anti-Semitism that is now being spread all over says that any criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism, period. And it has been very effective.

http://www.fromoccupiedpalestine.org/module.php?mod=book&op=print&id=806

[Leilani]

30. Do you KNOW anything about Tony Zinni?

While he was serving as head of Central Command, he was respected by the Israelis & Palestinians.

And do you know who Joel Mowbray is? A mouthpiece for the architects of PNAC strategy. He has been a cheerleader for American Imperialism all over the MidEast.

That said, PNAC & its founders have close ties to the Likud Govt in Israel. Perle & Wolfowitz worked for the Israeli govt & still have strong ties.

The Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon, which hatched this Iraq disaster, is part of PNAC.

This is about a small group of people in our govt, because of misguided ideas of foreign policy TWEAKED the intelligence, in order to get us to go to war in Iraq.

This has nothing to do with anti Semetism; this has to do with a bunch of yahoos who have hijacked our foreign policy. These are the people who said we will be greeted with flowers.

[T Bone]

5. 'everything changed' is just a tactic within the plan

These people are the ultimate opportunists and manipulators. keep that in mind first and above all else.

[democratreformed]

17. Bizzaro world...

I definitely agree with you. You can't imagine how many times in the past three years, I have thought to myself - "The whole world has gone nuts." Sometimes, I honestly feel like I'm living in a dream world - that some of these things simply can't be real and can't be happening. It's so unrational. It makes me feel kind of disjointed often.

[Bread and Circus]

6. Oh hell no, this thread is not going down the tubes...

Of all things historic, this PNAC business is going to be up there.

You see, this shitcan Iraq war is a major political catastrophe. The facade of success is finally starting to explode. Generals and War College professors are decrying the ineptitude.

This is as bad as Vietnam, and probably worse because this will embolden our enemies (in a way Vietnam didn't).

But this war did not start with Bush. It was not originally his war. This is the direct cause of the PNAC think tank and their influence on the puppet POTUS many years after the plans were hatched.

Years down the road, scholars will look back and say "how the hell did this get started?" and such a question will be answered by reading the original papers of PNAC dating back to the mid and late 90's. This is what warmongering really looks like.

I'm not going to let this thread die even if it's not "Political Hay" for John Kerry.

This is what matters. People on DU really need to read these papers as you can see the manipulation that started back then has caused all the trouble we see now while helping us lose our fight against terrorists who want to bait us into war with the Islamic world.

Osama Bin Laden, if he is alive, is winning because of the mis-direciton started by the undersigners of PNAC and the Bush administration.

I hope Kerry gets elected and gets us the fuck out of Iraq as soon as possible. There is nothing to be gained by being there, only more death. There is no political solution in sight, so no amount of bullets or bombs will "Democratize" the Middle East.

I hope we shitcan this Iraq war and shitcan all of PNAC's policies. If Bush wins the election, PNAC policy will be U.S. Foreign policy. That's a notion that started w/ Wes Clark but with my spin on it. This will be just the beginning of a very long dark period of American history.

[LeftHander]

15. PNAC has been mentioned before...a lot...

But as news goes...it just doesn't resonate with Joe Six pack watching football or nascar. Or with Barbie as she wathes Will and Grace, CSI and Sex in The City reruns...So it is not pursued.

The news has already reported that Iraq was a threat and walked lock step with the administration to allow a war to occur in the first place...what makes you think they will do an about face now and admit that they failed the American public?

I fear that most of the damage is already done and and we will be in for decades of Bush style leadership.

I will vote and write and talk all I can but it sure hell doesn't do a damn bit of good when the majority doesn't want to hear, can't understand and don't care.

I applaud your efforts and I am glad you found the PNAC...they will not take the info down form the site because they believe that this IS the path for America. Frankly it is the path we are on and they are not going to let a little thing like an election get in the way of 30 years of planning.

No....we are in for a ride. Even if Kerry wins they will never go away not until they are found guilty of criminal activity. Which we know they have done (Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, 911 complicity). they will hound Kerry with investigations until his leadership is crippled. Right Wing radio and TV will howl day in and day out command an audience 20 times the size of any liberal or even truely balanced outlet would reach. The only way it will get better is if all the people who feel disenfranchised by the nocons stop doing whatever they do for a living all at once. We walk off the jobs that drive this country and shut it down and take to the streets...in mass. If we got 50 million people to walk away from what ever they are doing and go into the streets shit would happen real fast. But do think that would happen?

I guess time will tell.

This is a very dark time for America and I can't see it getting any better with out taking drastic peaceful action that really hits this countries power source...the bottom line.

[AntiFascist]

9. Feeling kicky....

kick.

[Disturbed]

10. Most politicians...

"Politicians would rather collect political donations & be reelected, than tell the truth, & that is what it comes down to."

Indeed!!!

PNAC and LIHOP. The dunce was left out of the loop regarding 911 Attack, so he would look shocked for real when it happened. He did appear so while holding that Pet Goat book.

[Bread and Circus]

11. Kick.

[Berserker]

14. PNAC

is virtually unknown to the vast majority of people I have talked to. Both Democrat's and repub's look at me with the deer in the headlight's stare when I bring it up. This should be one of the main talking point's of this election.

[Bread and Circus]

20. I agree. Actually I've talked to Middle Easterners that know the...

anti-American talking points up one side and down the other yet they have never heard of PNAC.

What's amazing is that all the War Plans for Iraq they've devised over the last 8 years are laid out for all to see on the website.

They are hiding in plain site.

www.newamericancentury.org = Mein Kampf

[Cartooner]

31. NAZZI?

This looks to me like PROJECT FOR NAZZI AMERICAN CENTURY... at least that's what I gather from their website... ...

Isn't that what it's about... WORLD DOMINATION AND CONTROL?

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. The PNAC web site has been up for years.

They don't care that people know what they are doing. Why would they care? They control the government and the media. Bill Kristol was on C-SPAN a few months ago and Brian Lamb said to him..."There's a lot of people who call into our show and talk about PNAC. Can you tell us about it?" Bill Kristol just laughed it off as a "THINK TANK." They couldn't care less that people know they're planning on ruling the world. No one can do a damn thing about it. :(

[Bread and Circus]

21. Clark point blank "outed" PNAC at a debate and the rest of the dem...

candidates had stunned silence. Either they didn't know or they didn't care to say. Even Kucinich didn't have any thoughts.

Clark didn't use the name PNAC but he notified intent of the Mayberry Machiavelli's to create hopscotch wars through the Middle East.

A "think tank" is not news but a "think tank" that has become "American Foreign Policy" is, especially when it's led us to aggressive war.

[Stephanie]

13. See the link in my sig

for more articles on this. Thanks for posting - good info for new DUers.

[LunaC]

16. The media couldn't care less!

I've been jumping up and down about this for years and have delivered "the story" to them in a gift-wrapped package, but to no avail.

If we want the public to be aware of the PNAC/Mayberry Maciavelli, we're going to have to do it ourselves.....the link in my sig line was designed for Dropaganda and you may find it useful in spreading the word.

[Rockholm]

19. DONALD KAGAN..Father of Daryn Kagan at CNN?

JUst curiuos. Time to start digging.....Interesting. Ms. Kagan, dating Rush LImpballs, is a graduate of Stanford. Already a right wing shill. Let's dig deeper, folks.

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. kick

:kick:

[burythehatchet]

23. some of their document titles

Here's some of their document titles. Just as funny as The Onion headlines. btw, notice the name Robert Kagan. Sound familiar?


Iraq (For Middle East click here.)



9-11 Commission Confirms Iraq-al Qaeda Ties, Project Memorandum, Daniel McKivergan, July 22, 2004



Iraq's Attempts to Acquire Uranium from Niger, Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, July 14, 2004



Gore's Memory Lapse, Project Memorandum, Daniel McKivergan, June 24, 2004



The Clinton Administration's Public Case Against Saddam Hussein, June 23, 2004



September 11 Commission Staff Report, Project Memorandum, Daniel McKivergan, June 18, 2004



Democratic Revolution?, Reuel Marc Gerecht, Wall Street Journal, June 15, 2004



Mixed Military Signals on Iraq, Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, May 24, 2004



A Second Falluja?, Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, May 12, 2004



Democracy Now, Robert Kagan & William Kristol, Weekly Standard, May 11, 2004



Fallouja - A Must Win, Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, May 7, 2004



“Lowering Our Sights,” Robert Kagan, Washington Post, May 2, 2004



Gerecht on What to Do Now in Iraq, Project Memorandum, Daniel McKivergan, April 26, 2004

[Bread and Circus]

25. This is not tinfoil hat stuff...though it may seem like it is...

It seems improbable that a group of Right Wing ideologues could get together, hatch a plan for an aggressive illegal war, use a national tradegy serve as the emotional motivator to make that war happen, all the while posting it in plain daylight, and narry does the mainstream press pick up the audaciousness of the sotry.

However, that is what happened.

[FormerOstrich]

26. Actually...it has been known...

there has been a lot of press. Here is what ABC said about it a long time ago. Most people just don't care or want to comprehend.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/pnac_030310.html

[Bread and Circus]

32. Nice link...they connect the dots but let the trail go cold...

This is one of those kinds of things that is really important but gets little interest as it is not juicy...

However, it's pretty damn relevant.

[donsu]

27. kick

nt

[AntiFascist]

28. My suggestion to Mike Malloy and others...

I know your listeners love it when you make fun of Bush, but you need to explain and teach PNAC to your listenership, as simply and plainly as possible, and how it has been causing many of our problems. They are hungry for theories that tie everything together, and this one is one is factual and documented.

[donkeyotay]

29. 9-11 changed everything except George's stupidity

From a Governor Bush interview on The Newshour with Jim Lehrer, 04/27/2000:

BUSH: I'd rate myself very strong on education, fiscal policy, domestic issues that I've lived with as governor, and I would rate myself as somebody who is going to have the best foreign policy team. But I'm a fast learner, and listen, I'm not going to play like I've been a person who's spent hours involved with foreign policy. I am who I am.

Looks like Mr. I'm-a-fast-learner will go down in history as the biggest f-up ever.