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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 02:45 PM
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We need to start pushing Bush's DRAFT...
My liberal mother just told me that my Aunt is going to vote for Kerry. This is semi-good news, because the only reason she won't vote for Bush is because of the draft issue.

You see, my Aunt's oldest grandson is a senior in high school.

She is one of those scared Americans that think the terrorists are going to take over the world. She has been brainwashed into thinking that Bush can protect us better than anyone... typical stupid American, if you ask me.

...but, she is going to vote for Kerry. The fear of losing her grandson in an unjust war is more important than everything else she thinks Bush has to offer.

BTW, she lives in Florida(a swing state).

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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 02:53 PM
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1. The problem is ,Kerry wants to add 2 full Divisions to the Army..
I'd like to know how he'll do that without the Draft.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 02:55 PM
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2. But Kerry - through Edwards - has committed himself to NO DRAFT!
And they won't be drafting anyone - just trying to get out of Chimpy's wars.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 03:42 PM
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9. Not just trough Edwards
Edited on Thu Sep-16-04 03:44 PM by lizzy
Kerry have personally said he is against the draft.
The problem is, Bush have never said he wants the draft. If he did, I can't imagine many people would vote for him. ALthough I beleive if Bush is re-elected, there definetly will be a draft.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 03:01 PM
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3. WTF man, we are trying to win this election...
Nit-picking over what Kerry said will not get him elected. The Bushies will say anything to get themselves elected, so unless you would rather have Bush in office then you need to start playing the game.

If people think Bush will bring on a draft and not Kerry, then Kerry needs to use it.

The draft is one issue that will change people's minds.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 03:05 PM
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5. Then he shouldn't be saying that he'll add 2 Divisions,,
thats something that will be used against him. They have a way of turning his own Statements on him. Watch and see.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 03:14 PM
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6. I'll tell you how!
The Kerry No-Draft Plan:

The major media cover hardly anything that John Kerry says, especially if it is about the draft. So you would never know it, but John Kerry has a No-Draft Plan, a plan to strengthen the military in key areas yet draw down U.S. troop levels in Iraq by internationalizing the situation and then getting out as soon as possible.

Here are the five main points of Kerry’s No-Draft Plan:

1. Move some paper-pushers to combat (lots of potential there)

2. Increase enlistment with real scholarships, benefits and pay raises

3. Let troops know Special Ops will hunt al-Queda, no more invasions needed, so re-up rate goes up. "Primarily a law enforcement effort, not a full military effort", said John Kerry on Meet The Press.

4. Start a "Civilian Stability Corps" that would help in reconstructing Afghanistan and Iraq and relieve military pressure. It would be kind of like the Peace Corps—but on steroids.

5. GET FOREIGN TROOPS TO COME INTO INSTEAD OF LEAVE IRAQ.

Kerry gave some details about the proposed Civilian Stability Corps, made up of volunteers:

"...I propose that we enlist thousands of them in a Civilian Stability Corps, a reserve organization of volunteers ready to help win the peace in troubled places. Like military reservists, they will have peacetime jobs; but in times of national need, they will be called into service to restore roads, renovate schools, open hospitals, repair power systems, draft a constitution, or build a police force. A Civilian Stability Corps can bring the best of America to the worst of the world—and reduce pressure on the military."

- Source: Kerry, John. "Protecting Our Military Families in Times of War: A Military Family Bill of Rights." March 17, 2004. http://johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0317.html >

In April, on a conference call with 130 College Newspaper Editors, Kerry said “No Draft”, that he would have a sensible foreign policy that would not require reinstatement. And in June, Kerry told a Wisconsin high school that if elected, a draft would be "absolutely unnecessary".

Kerry’s plan calls for increasing active-duty troop levels by 40,000 people. He also doubles the number of Special Ops troops. Half the 40,000 being added are civil engineering/reconstruction specialists and half are combat, costing an extra $7 billion, but it relieves the pressure on the Guard and Reserves for overseas deployments and essentially saves the Volunteer Army. $7 billion is well worth not having to bring back the draft!

Kerry charges that Bush is ruining the Volunteer approach with long Guard and Reserve deployments and numerous stop-loss orders, which Kerry says is a “Back-door Draft”. Since Kerry will increase pay, benefits, scholarships and reduce long deployments of regular troops and the reserves, if he is elected the re-enlistment rates and recruitment rates will return to normal. Recently, troops returning from Iraq are reportedly leaving the Service in huge numbers, although denied by DoD (see David Hackworth, Voting With their Feet http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38644).

With this No-Draft Plan, Kerry will not have to resort to conscription, even after Bush has made such a mess of it in Iraq. Kerry has also pledged that he will push renewable energy development and true energy independence, “so that we never again have soldiers dying for oil”.

Kerry has criticized the inequality of the draft, that the poor and minorities are inducted in higher numbers than their fair share and that the draft is a source of conflict. John Kerry will not reinstate the draft—outside of the invasion of the United States by China or something like that.

The choice is thus clear to all voters. Vote for Bush and you are also voting for the resumption of the draft—to man his hidden agenda of invading more countries and staying in Iraq forever.

Or vote for Kerry and you are voting PNAC out of the White House, and with it Bush’s hidden agenda to bring back the draft so U.S. companies can dominate the world’s remaining oil supply.

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05

KERRY 'O4 = PNAC OUT THE DOOR!!
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 03:24 PM
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8. It's good he has a plan....
But with the situation of stop loss, and the way Chimpy has demoralized our Military, that is going to be one tough road, without adding 40,000 new troops. I hope Kerry wins but he opens himself up for it, and they will use it against him ,watch and see.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 03:02 PM
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4. Just on the news....
a hysterical mother of a dead soldier arrested for heckling Laura Bush.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 03:18 PM
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7. Hang up this DRAFT FLYER everywhere, especially colleges and supermarkets!
Edited on Thu Sep-16-04 03:19 PM by Dems Will Win


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Thanks Rosebud57! Follow Rosebud's instructions on the site to print the .tif file out (the correct file). The .gif is JUST A SAMPLE.

In May, the Seattle Post Intelligencer published an article about a document they received through the Freedom of Information Act. It was revealed that the SSS is currently “designing procedures” for the implementation of a “Skills Draft” after holding a top-level meeting on it with Deputy Undersecretaries at the Defense Department. This draft would change the very mission of the Selective Service and require “virtually every young American”, male and female ages 18-34, to register for the Skills Draft and list all the occupations they are proficient in to fill labor shortages throughout nearly the entire government.

Here, for the first time, is the FOI document itself:

http://blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

This document is real, having been acknowledged by the DoD and the SSS when they said no action is being taken on it at the present time, as reported:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html

Although Congress would have to approve new legislation to create a Skills Draft or reinstate the combat draft, Family Circle reported in its July 13 issue that Karl Rove has polled GOP members of Congress in September 2002 to see if they would support the President if he requests reinstatement. The Republicans said they would vote for the draft.

In addition, the SSS itself has said that it is “designing procedures” (Seattle PI, May 1, 2004) to implement the skills draft, meaning designing the compliance cards and the data fields needed to keep track of “virtually every young American” and their skills. Acting Director of the SSS Brodsky has also said the Skills Draft is the “top priority” of the Selective Service for 2004. The Issue Paper options include:

- Allow a non-combat draft for shortages in critical skills, without calling a combat draft.

- Fill labor shortages of all kinds throughout not only DoD but the Dept. of Homeland Security and other agencies, especially high-paying professionals like computer networking specialist or linguist.

- Create a single-point, all-inclusive database, in which every young person would be forced to send in a “self-declaration” of all of their critical skills, chosen from a long list of occupations like the Armed Forces Specialty Code. The usual penalties of imprisonment and/or a $250,000 fine would apply to all non-registrants.

In the secret planning meeting document, the next steps strongly recommended by SSS Acting Director Brodsky were:

1. “Promptly” redefine the SSS Mission to draft men and women up to age 34 for skills, and deliver them within 90 days or sooner to the Department of Defense. Program a massive database to be ready to enter millions of names of those registering their critical skills.

2. Expand mission to deliver personnel in skills draft to the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies, including FEMA, NSC, Border Patrol, INS, Customs, Corporation for National Service, Public Health Service and other agencies.

3. Form interagency task force to provide Administration with recommendation on this skills draft for the entire government.

4. Obtain White House Statement of Administration Policy on the future of the SSS.

5. Be prepared to market the skills draft, raising the non-combat age to 34 and the drafting of women to the Armed Services and Appropriations Committee.

In contrast to this planning and preparation to create a targeted draft, Kerry plans to spend an additional $7 billion to strengthen the Volunteer Army in what is essentially a “No-Draft Plan”. Moreover, Kerry is strongly opposed to the neo-con plan revealed in Wes Clark’s book Winning Modern Wars, in which Clark was told by a senior Pentagon official that invasions of Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Sudan and Somalia were planned and still to come over the next three years.

DON'T FORGET TO USE THE .TIF NOT THE .GIF FILE.

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05

KERRY '04 = PNAC OUT THE DOOR!
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