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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 05:53 PM
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60 Minutes tonight...CBS memo story!!!
Dan Rather just said the memo story will be on 60 Minutes tonight. 7:00 Central Time. :hi:
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 05:54 PM
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1. can't wait to see it!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 05:56 PM
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4. it's a Rove hit..we are wasting time on this...awol is not going to answer
crap...he NEVER does.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 05:59 PM
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8. Now I don't know
Could CBS have the originals as well?

Maybe they were hoping bush would deny the charges and then they could present the real docs and REALLY hang his ass?

This gets more and more strange...yesterday I thought it was a Rove's trick but CBS is not backing down so they must have something to back themselves up.

Frankly it looks like they want to force bush co into a courtroom or congressional hearing????
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:03 PM
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14. the immediacy of all the media and repug outrage and "talking points" is a
RED FLAG.... this is a hit
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:23 PM
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20. Something's up!
CBS MUST have more garbage on him.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:39 PM
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24. either that ot they're going to go on record forcefully against
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 06:40 PM by burythehatchet
the yokel congress critter from CA who's threatening a congressional investigation. fuck him
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:14 PM
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19. Who is we. This is a report about Bush's service- and his lying about
it- Has nothing to do with DU or Democratic Party or Kerry.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:22 PM
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47. Nope...Rather is "flying this baby down" if he has to...it was a great
slap in the face to Rove/Bushista's! Rather is not letting this go...he's got more.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 05:55 PM
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2. HAHAHAHAHA!!! Used a teaser all through the news! Good on ya, Dan!
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mourningdove92 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 05:55 PM
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3. I think getting the Secretary on camera first was a brilliant
move. Not only showing the "other" side (she thinks the memos are fake) but also showing that the content is correct.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 05:57 PM
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7. Good move!
There will be MORE of her interview on 60 minutes. I can't wait to hear what else she has to say.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 05:56 PM
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5. Now EVERYONE'S Paying Attention!
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 05:57 PM by Beetwasher
To hear her say Bush was AWOL!!!

They're in a trap, if they believe her cred on the memo's not being real, they can't dismiss her claim of AWOL!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 05:59 PM
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9. Man, I hope so!!
The icing on the cake. That would be so sweeeeet!
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 05:56 PM
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6. Yes, with Killian's secretary interview.
Based on the clips from the interview:

1. She did not type the memos.

2. She believes the info in the memos is correct.

3. Killian liked and hung out with the coWard, but Killian got pissed when the coWard defied him.

Sounds good to me!!
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slater71 Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 05:59 PM
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10. Just said
New questions and more answers as to Bush`s service.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 05:59 PM
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11. did you see the look on rather's face at the end of the news?
like the cat that ate the canary
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Sporadicus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:05 PM
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16. Yes, I Noticed That
Ordinarily I despise a smug expression, but Dan Rather's earned the right to be smug on this occasion.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:28 PM
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21. But.......
I'm still here!

:hi:

~~gigglesnort~~

Kanary
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:32 PM
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55. Uhhmmm... but, uh ...
No, I'm not going to make a lewd remark about whether it curled your toes. Nope. I'm not. I'm better than that. Yup. That'd be prurient. A low play on the word "eat." I'm above that. Yup.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:46 PM
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61. Can't fool me.
I know you better than that.

:hi:

Kanary
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:46 PM
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60. And thats a good thing*
:)
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 01:29 AM
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72. Thanks, shance!
:hi:
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:01 PM
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12. New questions and new evidence! n/t
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:01 PM
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13. hahahaahah
I wish they'd put it on the Sunday 60 Minutes some time. That show has the best ratings in TV, I think.

:bounce:
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Sporadicus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:03 PM
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15. I Hope She Relates the 'Buzz' Going Around the Office
when * was refusing to get a flight physical & heavy pressure was coming down to give him favorable reviews.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:07 PM
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17. I hope this will settle it because i'm starting to
suffer from Documentphobia which isnt as bad Iraqnaphobia but it's getting there.
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luaneryder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:13 PM
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18. A sincere plea...
I don't have TV so I'm begging for someone to post the details, high points, anything.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:33 PM
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22. I hope this clears it up, but I doubt it.
Chris Matthews is talking about CBS and disputed documents right now. They don't seem to be getting anywhere because everybody has something to say about it but so far it's only speculation.

I think it'll have to die a natural death because neither side is giving an inch. We'll just have to see what Dan Rather has to say tonight.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:38 PM
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23. I don't think CONGRESS
is planning on letting this die a slow death. :shrug:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:10 PM
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31. Yeah, doesn't seem to be clearing it up.
Just saying what we've known for a few days now, that the secretary didn't type it but considered the content accurate.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:03 PM
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25. Did you HEAR the secretary???
She said, (paraphrased) "Well, I think it was obvious that HE thought HE didn't have to do what he was supposed to do. HE had this campaign to work on and that's what HE was going to do."

OMG...THIS is going to be good!
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:05 PM
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26. ha! Can't wait! Must sit through stupid interview with Matthew Broderick..
ugh.
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RareLubbockDem Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:05 PM
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27. Preempted again
Lubbock Texas. Not showing it so I can see some movie. What a place we live in.......
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:06 PM
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28. kick, on now
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:07 PM
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29. Dan's the man!
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:09 PM
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30. OMG... This is INCREDIBLE!
I LOVE this woman!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:11 PM
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34. I'd say it's refreshingly CREDIBLE.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:28 PM
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52. she's a doll
and imagine what kind of young woman she must have been to handle a bunch of rich pilots.
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:10 PM
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32. "its a big 'no no' to not follow orders"
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:21 PM
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46. Refusing to obey an order could get you killed in Vietnam.
That lousy son of a bitch thinks it's his 'entitlement'. Bastard!
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:11 PM
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33. "It was a big no-no to not follow orders"
I can't remember anyone refusing.... (a physical)...

WOW... CBS ROCKS! They are not backing down. They are getting past whether or not they are forged documents. She is saying that she did not type these memos, but that she DID type similar ones!
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:12 PM
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35. Did Bush get into the Guard on preferential treatment?
"I'm going to say that he did."

YOWZA!!!!
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:12 PM
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36. the unit was full of people who had connections
both Dem & Rep
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:14 PM
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39. And even with that, they resented his attitude that he felt....
that he didn't have to play by the rules

Glenda
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:14 PM
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37. It seems the only reasons she thinks they're fake ...
... is because they're not how she would type them. Not her style and not the terms she'd use.

HOWEVER, it's entirely possible Killian did them himself just as a personal backfill.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:14 PM
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38. God DAMN! Where did they FIND this woman!
This is GREAT! This is the best television I've watched in years!
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:18 PM
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44. Must be nice
My local CBS is running a damn Billy Graham movie. Right now. Yeah I called...YAWN. Please keep filling us in here.

I hate this fucking place.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:26 PM
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51. Sorry you missed it... it was incredible!
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:30 PM
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53. HEY I can wait and see it at 2 am
Just called and got a human at CBS in NYC. Bitched there, turned the assholes in here.

Billy Graham ..please.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:15 PM
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40. She's 86 years old! My G-d she looks good!
The memos ...not the forms I would have used. The info in the memos are correct.

She typed memos LIKE those memos. She remembers Killian being upset over the chimp not taking a physical.

It's unusual for a soldier NOT to follow orders from a superior officer.

If they didn't take the physical they were off of flight status.

Did Bush get into the guard threw preference? She says, she believes he did. A lot of the men did at the time.


IT'S ABSOLUTELY THE WAY HE FELT. (the memo info)

It seems that someone saw the memos and tried to change them enough. Her supposition.

She said over and over again that Bush refused to take a physical!


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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:22 PM
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48. You're right! She looked and spoke like she was 62 years old....
I agree with you! She was incredible and so believable!


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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:51 PM
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63. Careful, you will have the freepers claiming she was an imposter...
Watch them search all over for other 86 year olds and compare the features to see if she is "authentic".
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:53 PM
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64. LMAO... You're probably right.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:17 PM
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41. 'Those who criticize memos never criticize the heart of the matter...'
That Bush got preferential treatment and did not fulfill his obligations. BINGO Dan!
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:17 PM
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42. that rocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:17 PM
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43. Those who question the authenticity of the memos
have NEVER questioned the content of them. GO, Dan!
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:18 PM
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45. I am officially a fan of Dan Rather's tonight!
YES... Journalistic integrity finally rears its beautiful head. Under pressure from the Bush administration, they come right back with a CREDIBLE WITNESS!!!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:23 PM
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50. THAT was FANTASTIC!
She was believable and sincere. How is congress going to attack her? She's old and senile? She has Alzheimer's? THEY WILL ATTACK THIS POOR LITTLE LADY. I know they will. :grr:
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:22 PM
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49. Oh that was good!
Time to stick a fork in him. * is

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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:31 PM
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54. Freeps are demanding she take a lie detector test.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:39 PM
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57. "Let George do it" first.
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 07:40 PM by TahitiNut
Take him off all his drugs and hook him up to a polygraph for just one good 2-hour interview with Helen Thomas and Dan Rather. After he breaks 5 machines and causes 'em to use up all their ink with the swings of the needles, then they can ask someone else to do better. Then try Cheney.
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 08:01 PM
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67. Lie detector wouldn't work on Cheney:
he has no heart. :)
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 01:22 AM
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71. *THAT'S* the video I want ^_^
Just imagining him being grilled by Helen Thomas, and tied down so he couldn't escape..... what a great visual!

Thanks, TahitiNut....... I needed that bit of levity.

:hi:

Kanary
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:39 PM
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58. LOL... Already? How FUNNY! Be prepared for the infiltration of
trolls tonight after this one!
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:57 PM
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65. Ick, why did I look? Apparently quite a few of them are completely unawar
that * went to Alabama to "work" on the Blount campaign. They keep saying that she is lying because * didn't run for any office until much later. (Refering to her saying that * had his campaign to work on and that was what mattered to him.)
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 08:11 PM
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70. She would pass with flying colors...
She was absolutely credible. And I loved that Rather just let her talk...didn't cross examine her statement that she thought the docs weren't authentic. (Her assessment didn't convince me...but everything else she said felt right square on.)
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:36 PM
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56. I've been saying this for almost a week now...
Rove retyped those memos in Word and planted them. He then had buckhead "discover" the "forgeries".

It's what he does. He take real information and taints it so that the real information is discredited. In 2000, he gave the real Bush cocaine stories to a convicted con (attempted murderer James Hatfield) so that Bush and cocaine would be synonymous with yellow journalism.

If Rather were smart, he'd dig up Sander Hicks (see Horns and Halos) and have him tell HIS story.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:46 PM
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59. I agree... that is the most plausible explanation.. and...
fascinatingly effective... who knew they'd dredge up an ACTUAL WITNESS!
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:59 PM
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66. My bet - They've got more waiting in the wings.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 08:01 PM
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68. Oh yes, wouldn't that be sweet... I bet you're right.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 08:07 PM
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69. ROVE thought she was DEAD???
OOPS, turd blossom!
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 07:48 PM
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62. And now crazy, fanatic Boykin... LOL
Perfect!
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 01:38 AM
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73. But watch out for murder and mayhem
People tend to die when they are about to testify against the Bush Family Evil Empire. So I hope all witnesses are heavily guarded. It's too late for naivete, eh?
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 02:31 AM
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74. Fox News, CNN, MSNBC,
aren't you jealous that YOU don't have any REAL journalists?

Dan Rather is a journalist in the same class as Walter Cronkite who was also a CBS Evening News anchorman.

Rather has grit and integrity and it takes courage to go up against powerful political enemies like the Bush WH.

I would, however, advise Rather not to fly in small planes.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 02:36 AM
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75. I think everyone is missing the point on this latest news....
She kept stressing how Bush felt the rules didn't apply to him. His fellow national guardsmen even despised him for his cocky attitude. How does this resonate with the events of the last few years with respect to international law, the opinions of nations who were usually allies strongly supporting us?
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 02:53 AM
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76. The point hasn't been lost on me,
and I'm sure it hasn't been lost on anybody else either.

This just reinforces the fact that Chimpy doesn't care what anybody thinks because rules weren't meant for him. He's a pathological liar, an arrogant bastard and hasn't got the brain God gave a parrot.

We'll gain back our lost respect and win back our allies when we elect Kerry and kick Dubya back to Crawford, TX.

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