If Kerry wins, will Bush and Cheney give up power willingly?

[Sliverofhope]

Can anyone else mentally picture this? Because nomatter how much I adjust my antennas, I see no picture.

I dunno if it means an armed Freeper militia surrounds the white house, whether they barricade themselves in, or whether they litigate the election to the House of Representatives.

Think about this.

What's coming?

[Norquist Nemesis]

1. It depends.

How much more damage can they accomplish, how many more invasions, and how many more countries can they piss off in three months?

[Eric J in MN]

2. Yes. Bush and Cheney may steal the election with rigged

voting machines, but if Kerry is declared the winner on the night of November 2, 2004, Bush and Cheney will go home.

[Vincardog]

4. No they are going to jail

[DenverDem]

9. We need to win by more than 5% to avoid another election theft.

Closer than that and busholini inc can steal it again.

[Sperk]

3. no, I really cannot see them handing power over to anyone

they'll have to be tossed out. They surely have something up their sleeves incase Diebold doesn't do it for them.

[rwenos]

5. Bush Yes, Cheney No

If Kerry really wins, and has too big a victory to avoid chickensh#t tricks, Bush will grimace his way through Inauguration Day and leave the White House. If only because his father will not tolerate a different course of action.

However, Cheney will "go to ground," as it were, finding nooks and crannies in the intelligence/global corporation community, and continue to wield nearly as much influence out of government as he has in government. He will wield the faceless, grey-suited power of the ruling capitalists.

I'm not a socialist by the way, just a pro-regulation Democrat.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Ok the old saying applies

Hope for the best... (they will)

But plan for the worst (they will not)

And by the way, the worst may mean a very hot civil war.

[rwenos]

7. Very Hot Civil War

Do you see it going to guns in the streets?

If so, how do you see the military breaking down -- i.e., lining up on one side or the other?

[DenverDem]

8. The military will side with The People not the elite.

They know that totalitarian dictatorships suck and are militarily indefensable ultimately.

[knight_of_the_star]

11. I wouldn't bet on that

I doubt that MOST of the military will side with them, but I think between RW militias, National Guard units that could be counted as Bush loyalists, and the troops that actually like and approve of what he is doing, he will have enough on his side to do some serious damage.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. HE does not have the top of the military

in spite of the purges

Remember kiddies, back in 73 they were asked what side they would take?

They said the side of the Constittuion, MOST of the military will stand down...

Now militias and some particular units... well it will get bad

[DenverDem]

16. BULLSHIT!

RW militias are cowardly play soldiers, they would wet themselves at the first sign of action. National Guards are pissed at the way he sucker punched them into long term duty in a war that can't be won. The troops that approve of what he is doing are in the vast minority and the generals think he and his chickenhawk cabal are moranic asshats. No way any but a small group of jingoistic idiots would follow busholini against their commanding officers.

busholini inc has not done the ground work of building an army of mind controlled youth militias like hisler did in Germany. He would be toast.

[knight_of_the_star]

10. From what I know of these people

And while I don't claim to be an expert, I somehow doubt that they will relinquish power when they lose on November 2nd. They have exerted too much money, influence, and effort to get to where they are now and the KNOW that they won't get back to this position in ANY of their lifetimes and run the risk of prison considering what might come out about them during the first three months of the Kerry administration, my bets are that they will try SOMETHING.

That and three months, like another poster said, is MORE than enough time to start a war if you REALLY wanted to.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Can you say Iran?

I knew you could... they will start a war with Iran before January 20th, the signs are all over the place... you DO remember Somalia, don't you? (For those who do knot, bush Sr started that shindig weeks before Clinton was sworn in)

[Andromeda]

39. Joe Biden said on Hardball today,

that what action Kerry will take on Iraq depends on what George Bush leaves him with.

I remember Somalia and how G.H.W. Bush sent troops over there right before Clinton was sworn in. He knew it would go badly and that Clinton would be blamed for it.

[KBlagburn]

12. My thought and fear all along......

that if come election day or very close to it, bush is convinced he will lose. that he will A. launch another war or B. use executive authority to suspend the election. C useing his "good" judgment will not, and cannot allow a change in power in the middle of a vast war on terrar. it wouldnt be good for the country.

[truebrit71]

15. My biggest fear is that * loses but demands recounts..

EVERYWHERE and then there is another terrorist attack...* declares state of emergency, ballots (Democratic votes of course) get "lost" and bush declares himself the winner...again...

I do NOT think these evil bastards will let something as insignificant as the will of the electorate get in the way of their goals...

We could be heading into a VERY troubling period in this country's history....

All I can say is that I pray that Kerry wins, and wins BIG so that the issue becomes moot....

[DenverDem]

18. The People will not stand for another blatantly fraudulent election.

I believe in the courage and true patriotism of the majority of American citizens.

[Seabiscuit]

26. In view of all these posts, I get the feeling

we may have to prepare ourselves for Armageddon right here at home. A very hot civil war, if not won by the people, could spell final doom for this country and this democracy, and Dubya's Evil Empire will ultimately go the way of all empires - Roman, Napoleon, Nazi, Soviet, etc. It will crumble into the ash heap of misbegotten history. Dubya's already on his way to turning the U.S. into a third world country (staggering national debt, soaring health care costs, especially for the elderly, out of control, squandering social security and medicare, destroying the environment, education, the economy, all to steal our tax dollars to line theirs and their corporate buddies' pockets, while creating a breeding ground for terrorists who increasingly despise the U.S. and all it stands for, thanks to Dubya. And with no real allies left, who will come to our aid? No one. The Europeans, the Chinese and the Japanese will be left to divide up the planet. We'll be ancient history.

[EST]

33. But not the brains.

None of the BFEE would be so crass as not to set it up so it would be perfectly obvious that Big John is connected to some sort of conspiracy, and the ONLY safe course is to stay the course. You get the willing cooperation of the military, not the anger.

[Mr_Spock]

17. I hope not - be nice to see them executed for treason.

But I'm just not so fond of those two lying war criminals - JMHO :)

[Lancer]

19. FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH

Tweety said tonight that a highly-placed source he woudn't name told him today that it's gonna be a 10-point victory for Kerry.

As I say, consider the source. Still, one needs a little hope to get one through the day.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. We need massive victory in November

[Seabiscuit]

27. True -

We not only need to beat Bush, we need to beat Diebold, etc., and all the right-wing hackers who will be altering the vote counts. I'd say anything less than a 15% margin of Kerry victory will *magically* become a Bush victory.

[AnIndependentTexan]

30. Wrong all we need is Kerry and Gore to go to the UN

All Kerry has to do is give a speech to the UN and ask them for help. I will say one thing about these thoughts is this: Bush in the same position as Saddam asking,"By who's court am I being put on trail? Am I not still the President? Bush does not recognize this word called THE PEOPLE OF UNITED STATES."

[faithnotgreed]

22. "highly placed source" - from where? the administration?

a pollster? a news organization?

i love the sound of it of course, and actually believe it will happen, but if he said that i dont know what to make of it.

hadnt heard anyone else refer to this yet tonight. hmm

[Elwood P Dowd]

23. An agreement has been reached.

Kerry wins and allows the Bush crime family to go free. Bush and family walk off with billions, Kerry is the new prez, all the while the repuke talking heads rake in millions bashing Kerry and concocting various Kerry scandals. Four years of Bush destroyed the economy and wrecks Iraq by the time Kerry gets in office. The Democrats are blamed by all the media, and the John Ashcroft/Pat Robertson republican Taliban ticket wins in a landslide in 2008. Time to buy you a firearm!

[Sufi Marmot]

21. What would it take to shut the country down until they left?

I can imagine that if Bush lost and refused to leave, and there was a general strike where

a) Every interstate highway was blockaded
b) Every airport was closed
c) Nothing moved in or out of any major ports

the powers that be would get Bush/Cheney out of there one way or another. How much of their profit margins would corporations be willing to sacrifice to keep the BFEE in power, in the face of mass civil disobedience?

-SM, who sincerely hopes it never comes to this...


Edited for syntax

[TankLV]

24. The fact that you are asking, and that I really couldn't answer for

certain that they would like every other losing administration, says a lot.

I wonder if they'll go in a peaceful and orderly fashion.

This bunch won't give up power easily.

I will really be surprised if they do.

And whatever happens, when President Kerry takes up official residence, he had better IMMEDIATELY put someone he can absolutely trust - a Democratic pit-bull - in charge to sweep the place of bugs and make sure no repuke moles are still around - fire the entire staff as soon as he can if needed except those that have been thru MANY administrations - ESPECIALLY those that just started and were just hired by this criminal bunch! And, until he can be certain of a clean house - he'd better hold any sensitive meetings and planning sessions in a secure place off premises if necessary to safe guard against sabotage.

And this should also include the Vice President's house, and all cabinet and staff digs and offices.

[MadProphetMargin]

25. They'd BETTER.

[doctorus]

28. willingly or unwillingly

perhaps it does not matter willingly or unwillingly.
The principal question is if they will qive up power at all...

[pinniped]

29. Not likely. I envision something similar to election night 2000.

Asshole* was sitting around the tv with his stupid family and FL was called for President Al Gore. Asshole* just sat there with that ( normal for him ) stupid look on his ugly face. It won't be long til the repukes start claiming voting irregularities.

The military may have to remove them by force. Creepy Veep will be easy to remove because he lives in a military bunker. Presidunce Asshole* will be holed up in the oval office with Sadaams's gun.

[EST]

31. Three times I have researched and delivered a suitable

tome on this issue. Still makes me nervous and has resulted in multiple reorders of my special heavy-duty foil hat fuses. I am convinced, should all other criminal methods fail to yield the desired results, the BFEE will find a way to enact martial law, and make the masses of asses grateful for saving us once again, while the more sanguine of us sputter with impotent rage.

Any dissent which rises above empty rhetoric will be dealt with swiftly and severely, and the smirk will never slip. Remember- John F Kennedy was executed. Robert Kennedy, because he showed he would ride a wave of populism straight into the oval office, was executed. The SS, although detailed to protect John the intellectual and John the quick witted, are not under their direct command. How I hope they have given thought to the true nature of the forces they are challenging. If this election is successful and the two Johns (no waiting) are installed, I promise to sell every share of tin and antimony mine stock I own and give the proceeds to moveon.org.

[UNIXcock]

32. I sure hope so, I'm getting too

... old to fight much more

[EST]

35. I, too

However, I am stocking up on some supplies, just in case. (My wife thinks I'm a nut-she's right, of course)

[JSJ]

34. if they don't reliquish willingly, they will be in direct violation...

...of the law and therefore subject to arrest and detainment by any citizen who wishes to uphold the law. That's me- and I really hope they resist!

[EST]

36. I admire your spirit, but,

I suspect it won't be that simple. Do keep in mind, the entire freeper colony has been indoctrinated with the notion that we are prepared to steal the election from them. Wierd as it sounds, they, too, have hired an army of lawyers and poll watchers because they are convinced that we are the ones who are the bad guys and they have to protect themselves from us!

[JSJ]

37. thanks- and i don't think it'll be a simple task, either, but it will be..

...done, or my name ain't JSJ. Of course, the legalities will have to favor me- but I think they will, despite contrary notions from much of government.

[Andromeda]

38. They will do more than...

Remove the "j's" from all the keyboards.

I really hate to think of what they will do because you know whatever it is, it will be dastardly.

[EST]

40. The very thought does tend to reinforce one's paranoia

especially in the wee, small hours...
Curable by a dose of hard work.

[Swamp Rat]

41. They are going to try to escape and perhaps nuke the Earth from orbit.