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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 04:25 AM
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is Putin a Communist ?
i know he was a communist and part of the soviet union and kgb. but do you think his views are the same as then ?
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remrem Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 04:33 AM
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1. What is Putin
Well we know he's incompetent. We saw that in full force with the hostage situation. Whether an ex KGB thug or a mental patient gone sour, this guy can't get things right. He has an economy he doesn't know what to do with and his hard lines approach to the Chechens has blown up in his face, all the while trying to cover up news and evidence that's bound to get out (was getting out just not on Russian tv). He's really digging himself a hole. Maybe he'll closely align himself with America and fight "the war on terror," and use all the same excuses are current president has.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 04:51 AM
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2. wasn't he involved in some russian submarine accident a few years ago
he refused help and all of the people in there ended up dying.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 05:07 AM
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5. Kursk? n/t
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 06:02 AM
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8. Remember when Bush saw into his soul?
It's because he and Bush are very much alike.
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 06:21 AM
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10.  "I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be..."
"I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul."

I dunno how much alike they are, 'cept in the power-and-corruption-thing. I think Putin actually worked his way up, perhaps by getting his hands dirty.

http://abcnews.go.com/reference/bios/putin.html

Putin rose from a relatively obscure position as a Soviet spy during the Cold War.
After graduating from law school in 1975, he began a 15-year career with the KGB’s foreign intelligence arm, stationed in Leningrad and East Germany. With the Soviet Union facing collapse, Putin retired from the KGB at the rank of colonel and quickly began a political career.
His rise during the 1990s was fast, so he has more limited political experience than might be expected of a prime minister. In one of his rare public comments, Putin acknowledged he is “not a politician.”
In the early 1990s, Putin began working in St. Petersburg’s local government, rising to the post of vice mayor by 1994. In 1996, Yeltsin’s inner circle brought him to Moscow and named him deputy chief Kremlin administrator.
Putin was named the Kremin’s official in charge of relations with the Russia’s diverse regions, then, in 1998, head of the Federal Security Service and in March secretary of the presidential Security Council.
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DavidFL Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 04:57 AM
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3. Not sure, but...
it appears he's been consolidating his power to prevent Russia's hydrocarbon assets from being appropriated by the neocons. Most, if not all, the screeching in the media about Putin turning back to communism has been neocon-generated propaganda. Google "The Jamestown Foundation" to see what I mean and check out who sits on the foundation's board. In terms of the big picture, I see what's going on in Russia as a process of countries aligning themselves should Bush and the neocons provoke WWIII.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 05:06 AM
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4. I think he has pushed for an open economy and free market...
so, no, he would be nearer fascism than communism, since he has been centralizing power.
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 05:20 AM
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6. beat me to it.
He has no interest in having the state provide for the Russian people, nor in full employment for the population.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 05:58 AM
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7. Nationalist
IMHO Putin is a Russian nationalist who considers himself a success if the whole thing doesn't fall to pieces around his ears. It hardly seems he's getting much help from anybody else in the world, many of whom understand that a Russia in collapse is much more easily raped than one still struggling to survive.

If you recall the stories about how his crackdown on an oil magnate was a sign of Putin's authoritarianism, two things to consider. First, the guy busted was arrested, not picked up in the middle of the night and disappeared. Second, the guy busted was using his money to interfere with whatever sort of chaos passes for politics in Moscow. Homey don't play that, when it comes to Putin. All he has to do is look at W to see where that game winds up.

So, I think the guy is a nationalist, maybe even a patriot, even though he's certainly no walk in the park for people who are looking to see a true democracy come into being on the Vulga.

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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 06:10 AM
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9. I suspect that, at the end of the day, he is a Putinist.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 06:29 AM
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11. Ask Bush, he looked into Putin's eyes and saw into his soul!
Is a Communist really authorized to have a "SOUL"? Was Bush's peek into Putin's "soul" another massive intelligence failure? How can we advise other nations on human rights, after Iraq? How can we advise other nations on Civil Rights, after the "Patriot Act"? How can we advise other nations on aggressive occupations and invasion of other nations, after Iraq? How can we advise other nations on humane treatment of POWs, after Iraq?

We have gone from the "Moral High Ground" to the status of a rogue nation, in the eyes of the world and half of people in America, in four short years! Are we better off now?
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 07:05 AM
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12. Safer, more secure. Secret plan to win the war. Misunderstimated.
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 07:06 AM by Eye and Monkey
At risk means they can't learn. Mares-eat-oats-and-does-eat-oats - and pretzels. Lotsa pretzels. Big time.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 07:12 AM
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13. Does the Pope shit in the woods?
At least Putin can ride his little RED bike!
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 07:19 AM
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14. Putin is certainly much clever than the stupid dimwit
For the record, he doesn't always tell in public what he has in mind which is a skill few people can master. With a lot of patience and public support he will transform Russia into something better than what it was in the drunk Yeltsin days. But that doesn't sit well with WH neocons, a weak Russia with drunkard Yeltsin in charge was a rather predictable entity, with Putin it is not. That's why you hear all this garbage about democracy lost in Russia and so on. But watch who is making most of the noise, the old usual Straussian guard with names like Perle, Armitage and other well-known PNAC folks.

And, yes, I think he is a patriot first of all.
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jmags Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:01 AM
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17. You can't be serious.
So when he took over all independent media, canceled gubernatorial elections, concocted phony parties with Putin-loyalists to divide the vote against him in the elections, took over the largest Russian oil company just as Khodorkovsky becomes active in politics (on the wrong side of Putin of course), this was all because he was a patriot for Russian democracy?

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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 07:35 AM
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15. Putin is a nationalistic autocrat
There were very few true believers in charge during the last days of the USSR (or frankly at any point during the history of the USSR). I think Putin's ultimate goal is to have something resembling China's current system when he is done.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:05 AM
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16. Putin is a despot, like Bush.
Putin is no more a communist then Stalin was a communist, or then Hitler was a socialist, or then Bush is compassionate.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:19 AM
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18. The Russian Communist Party opposes Putin.
Putin is an authoritarian nationalist. His connection to the KGB has little, if anything, to do with being a Communist. Sort of like describing J. Edgar Hoover as Democrat.
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