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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:35 AM
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Greg Palast interview (9/21)- Fla. theft again - Kerry & Edwards informed!
http://www.liberaloasis.com/palast3.htm

LO: You also revisit what happened in Florida in the 2000 election. What's your sense of how things will go this time around?

GP: ...They're stealing it again. One of things that was crucial in the film which still hasn't come out in the US media here, which I think is going to determine this year's election, is the loss of the black vote.

What I mean by that is, in the United States of America, two million votes are cast which are never counted.

We call it "spoilage" in the vote biz. Technical reasons why votes are voided...ballot's blank, has extra marks, hanging chads.

One million of those votes are cast by African-Americans.

What I show in the film is how that is done.

In Florida, 180,000 votes were not counted. 54 percent of those votes were cast in majority black precincts in Florida.

And that's how they took that election...

...And it's done with bad machines. Just like you give the black communities...bad schools and they get bad hospitals. They get the crap voting machines. It's deliberate.

Because they don't want those votes to count...

...Let me tell you something else to look for in this election.

The number of absentee ballots is increasing by 500%.

There's going to be something like 15 million absentee ballots in America.

It's going to be wholesale theft...

LO: What can they do with absentee ballots that they can't do with regular ballots?

GP: One, throw them away.

You get a receipt when you register to vote, but not when you actually vote by absentee ballot.

They won't send you a note saying we've accepted your ballot, it's rare...

...And in Florida they make it easy because they put Democrat and Republican on the outside of the envelope.

Theresa LaPore on the Aug. 31st primary, two weeks ago, counted 37,000 votes from absentee ballots. There were only 31,000 ballots cast in Palm Beach.

31,000 absentee ballots, 37,000 votes. That's a taste of what's coming...

And by the way, LiberalOasis first: Election's going to be stolen in New Mexico and Colorado.

LO: And what leads you to say that?

GP: Same thing. Votes cast, not counted. Especially in Hispanic and Native American areas. Massive vote loss, massive. They just don't count the votes...

...I talked to Terry McAuliffe about . He shrugged his shoulders.

There is one guy who is very interested in it.

John Edwards saw the film, by the way, and took it John Kerry and with some material from me.

And Kerry has been adding to speeches -- unfortunately, only to black audiences -- that he's not going to stand for it, the disenfranchisement of a million votes.

LO: Did you have a personal showing of the film with John Edwards?

GP: What happened was that Jesse Jackson and John Edwards and I were having breakfast.

And Jackson kept grabbing the bagel away from Edwards saying you're not eating until you read Greg's stuff -- I'm not kidding -- and you give it to Kerry.

Edwards is concerned about these things. He really is, I'm very impressed with his concern about disenfranchisement of black voters.

And I think that Kerry is sincere.

The question is, other than putting together teams of lawyers, when it will be too late -- and it's not clear how they can help -- basically the Kerry team is kind of at a loss on what to do here.

And also, it's pretty difficult.

LO: Is there something that they should be doing that they're not doing?

GP: I'm not to going to say that there is some great miracle that they can perform here.

In Florida, you have an electoral army of occupation. This is no joke, the way they have set up the voting mechanisms.

Everything from illegal removal of registering, to bad balloting machines, to refusal to identify where how and which votes they are obtaining through absentee voting...

...and the Democratic Party simply is not prepared, not prepared at all for this.

And McAuliffe did tell me the cost and difficulty of mounting a defense is just pretty much overwhelming.

snip


the only way is paper and pen
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lefthandedskyhook Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:42 AM
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1. UGH! Time to volunteer as a poll watcher. /nt
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libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:42 AM
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2. Voter registrations will not be processed in time for the deadline
in Duval County. The local news reported yesterday that there are too many to process in time and many are illegible.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:44 AM
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4. WTF..... what in the hell is going on? where is the states atty?
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libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:04 AM
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7. I can't believe they are going to get away with this, either!
It has been on two newscasts already. The newsreader just tells the story in a sweet little voice without any sense of urgency and even interviews a representative from the Supervisor of Elections office who explains very calmly that they are unable to read what the forms say, so there is no way they can get them processed in time. They also commented on the high number of new registrations causing added delay.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:43 AM
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3. palast also shares that WE should vote early (legally 2 weeks early)
The safest vote you can cast would be an early vote.

Go right into your elections supervisor's office and cast a vote right there, because if there's any challenge to your vote you'll have a chance to correct it.

LO: And you can do that in all 50 states?

GP: Yes, under federal law now, within two weeks of the election...go in and vote early and often!


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libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:05 AM
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8. I don't think absentee voting will work because they are invalidating
many of the ballots for technicalities such as signature issues, etc. (They have reported this on the local news, too.) By the way, the outside of the envelopes has a "D" or "R".
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:08 AM
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9. Palast said "Go right into your elections supervisor's office and cast "
is that condidered absentee?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:50 AM
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5. watch election chaos on this PBS link...e-voting in Florida (a trainwreck)
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec02/florida_9-18.html

streaming video there on this PBS story

TOM BEARDEN: There's a warehouse out by the Miami Airport where county workers spent the weekend shuffling heavy black plastic cases that contain Dade County's fancy new computer voting machines.

They bought the $3,000-a-copy touch screen machines to replace the much-maligned punch-card system that threw the 2000 presidential election into chaos. But despite a $32 million investment in this new system, chaos again reigned when voters went to the polls in South Florida on September 10.

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:59 AM
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6. people.... we have a problem
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:17 AM
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11. We've had the problem some time
We did nothing to capitalize on even the skewed reporting on the situation in 200o, but simply went along with GOP spin that turned it all magically to their new advantage. This is a similar experience to one when we were called by an Edwards campaign worker and expressed concern(conviction) about vote fraud. We were assured that they were aware and prepare and that very next southern primary "odd" things happened with some obvious consternation but no action or explanation.

And the all we have been getting with the very simple BBV issue is people humming and staring at the ceiling wondering about those darned kid hackers. The Democrats have a majority if they simply could protect it. A landslide if they dared rouse the masses. And often they act perilously impotent or unconcerned that fraud will have dominion over all. it is like the WMD's in Iraq all over again except there is no illusions to hide behind.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:07 AM
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13. so....your answer is..?
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:55 PM
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14. My answer?
My answer would have been to see concerted and persistent legal and political action whenever you could have awoken the direct victims of fraud. Failing that I am not sure. The same dilemmas of stampeding people to the unsafe haven of absentee ballots and turning off the electorate are running neck and neck with only a partially effective public effort by a few isolated heroes.

Massive cognitive dissonance on this issue is running beside the main American problem- being steered like suckers away from reality in general. The other necessity- breaking the stranglehold of the media is likewise not even close to being done. A war has started. Elections have been stolen. Is this Cassandra going to keep the weary people from dragging in the Trojan Horse? If you tried to burn it the gods would strike you down.

I see no visible traction, no secret plan, no foregone conclusion, no legal action to prevent the crime from occurring on November 2. No law, no armed insurrection, no sufficient public will, no direct political opposition worthy of note.

Pray, I guess.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:17 AM
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10. Thank you so much for posting this.... I'm sharing it with everyone I know
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:54 AM
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12. welcome
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:28 PM
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15. what about poll watchers? what about unions. thought i heard they
were going to be involved somehow in watching

of course, if greg is saying there are millions of absentee, and these are disposed of, then thats not on election day so theres no way to know they existed in the first place
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:21 PM
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16. Kick it. Every vote is supposed to be counted. WE have to figure out what
to do.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:22 PM
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17. Does Bev Harriss have any ideas?
:shrug:
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:41 PM
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18. "D & R" on the envelope???????!!!!!
Whatcha need is a big magic marker to block that out.

Biotches!!
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:45 AM
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22. I do not understand why there is not a legal
challenge to the "D" and "R" on the envelopes. Isn't this what this crack team of lawyers is supposed to be doing. There is still a mainly democratic Florida Supreme Court. This is unconscionable.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:42 PM
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19. Poll watchers, getting paper mandated for the federal and state races
Ideas,yes. Legislators willing to fight for democracy- becoming a rare breed.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:03 AM
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20. The story about Edwards is that he ran in '98 because of black disenfran-
chisement in the Gantt races. He decided that he was going to be a champion for all those black voters who stood in line for hours after the polls were closed and who were told to go home without ever being able to cast their votes.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:11 AM
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21. Hasn't the Kerry campaign said it has teams of lawyers

in every state, working to prevent election fraud and theft?
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:53 AM
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23. im afraid what greg is talking about are the things that happen before
the kerry team of lawyers plans on being involved. i think they are in place to settle post-election results or disputes, if im not mistaken

the absentee ballots labelled with party affiliation, and the goings on like teresa lepore "counting" the absentee ballots for her own election, the disposal of these absentee ballots before they see the fraudulent diebold machines that count them (in some cases)
etc etc
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