rathergate.com II

[dweller]

continuing discussion from
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2400623#2406089

please read throughout the thread above and join in here for further investigation of rathergate.com.

dp

[olddem43]

1. I think it's great that all scandals have the suffix "gate"

That forever links scandal to the Repugs through the mother of all political scandals. Poetic justice, I guess.

[uncle ray]

21. me, i'm sick of it.

i'm ready for the next "big one", the scandal after which all future scandals will no longer be bastardized with the "gate" suffix. i'm of the opinion that is cheapens some pretty big scandals that should have a name of their own, not some rehashed a thousand times part of a hotel name. whatever the fuck it is * is doing should eclipse watergate.

[SoCalDem]

2. kick

..

[dweller]

3. thanks SoCaldem

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x891288
Can Lucy Ramirez be Lucia Ramirez?

dp

[johnfunk]

4. EXPOSE RATHERGATE.COM redux -- here's why and how:

Rathergate.com has been heavily "advertised" the last few days at all the usual brownshirt spots (freerepublic.com, for example).

They have this tool on their site that allows you to "complain" to CBS affiliates -- but only after they've screened the messages.

And, being the dumbasses they are, they're not even hiding the mailing list (a few addresses bounce):

[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]

I recommended in another thread that since most ISPs will let you send or cc: or bcc: to 25 to 50 recipients, you might try slicing the above list into fifths or sixths and let 'em know they're being spammed by dirty trickster Mike Krempasky, who has heavily advertised this site.

Also, don't forget to let them know that you appreciate the quality and objectivity of CBS News and that Rather did the right thing by exposing the background of the controversy himself and apologizing even if he was the one who might have been deceived in the first place -- and if anyone deserves firing it's Bill O'Reilly, not Rather (or something to that effect).

Moreover, the domain owner registered using a bogus telephone number -- for a cab company. DUer mahatmakanejeeves reminds us all that you can

(r)eport false registration information to Internic.

http://wdprs.internic.net /

The domain in doubt is rathergate.com

[mmonk]

6. Did you report the false registration info?

[mahatmakanejeeves]

11. Spammers can't help themselves.

They register domains with false information all the time.

[mmonk]

5. Thanks dweller

I was just about to start a new thread to continue as the other was getting cumbersome.

[dweller]

7. you bet

cumbersome is right.
I haven't been able to read some of the last 30 or so threads, so i just bookmarked it for later catch up.

of course, it was freaky to check in on it and see everyone with the same avatar . . .

:scared:

dp

[George_S]

8. Why did you lock the other one?

It is a lot of work to try to reply to one there over here.

[dweller]

9. it is a lot of work to load the thread also

once it reaches 100+ replies, and becomes impossible to view.
If you feel it should be re-opened please check with the mods. It was your thread originally afterall.
I will not object.

I pm'd you for a new one, there was discussion of a new thread and request on the original for a new thread.
I believe you also asked for a new thread.

Once someone has read through the original and is interested enough to pursue it, they'll be directed here.

dp

[George_S]

10. I didn't know we had to lock the old one to start a new one.

No objection to the new one if anyone wants to jump in it, but there were still a lot of links in the old one I hadn't really read or replied to.

[dweller]

12. check your inbox

for PM.

dp

[George_S]

13. Okay

Read it, and this will be good if we can get everyone to repost the good posts here. Thing is, that's where the keywords are. Agreed, it can get cumbersome, but I asked them to unlock the other one in case someone still wants to reply there.

[dweller]

14. spammers from rathergate.com trying to oust Rather from CBS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=860483&mesg_id=860483

originally posted:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2406202
reply #15

dp

[George_S]

15. Summary effort of rathergate.comgate

rathergate.com!

Heh, heh-heh.

American Target Advertising
9625 Surveyor Court, Suite 400
Manassas, VA 20110
US

Domain Name: RATHERGATE.COM

Administrative Contact
Mike Krempasky: [e-mail]
RatherGate
6814 Kincaid Ave
Falls Church, VA 22042
US
Phone [phone]
Fax
Technical Contact
Mike Krempasky: [e-mail]
RatherGate
6814 Kincaid Ave
Falls Church, VA 22042
US
Phone [phone]
Fax

Record updated date: 2004-09-13 17:54:42
Record created date: 2004-09-10
Record expires on date: 2005-09-10
Database last updated on: 2004-09-20 19:17:52 EST

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.RIGHTINTERNET.COM 63.219.151.3
NS2.RIGHTINTERNET.COM 69.10.137.166

Mike Krempasky: "I've been using Roger Stone's email system for one of my California statewide campaigns."

Guess ol' Roger-Dodger's email system sucks, but that ain't the point.

We have a connection.
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MallRat

Explain- where's the connection?

The ISP? American Target Advertising?

American Target is Richard Viguerie's operation.

-MR
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Hephaistos

VIGUERIE - JACKPOT!

Philalethes over at Atrios posted this tidbit from an old WaPo article:

<i>Richard A. Viguerie, the conservative fund-raiser, said: "In order to accomplish what we want politically, <b>there is going to have to be a change in the media." Viguerie said he is involved in an entirely separate venture with a group of "substantial" conservatives who have hired financial specialists to find prospective print and television media targets to buy or take over</b>.

In the case of Fairness in Media, just days after the November election, one man, Thomas F. Ellis, the backroom architect of Helms' rise to political power, <b>conceived of the attack on CBS</b> as a way to capitalize on President Reagan's landslide victory and on Helms come-from-behind drive to win a third term in the Senate.
</i>

... more on an attempted takeover 20 years ago of CBS by Jesse Helms and friends at the link:

http://www.ferris.edu/isar/Institut/pioneer/Helms.htm
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George_S

Excellent article that may explain the birth of "liberal bias" in the media.

For the big picture if any don't already know...

http://www.fair.org /

Be forewarned though that they will criticize either side. And that is good.

(Not to be confused with Fairness in Media.)

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starroute

Thu Sep-23-04 03:13 PM

128. Thomas F. Ellis? Lots of bad associations there

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.e.htm#ellis

The Pioneer Fund served as a small part of "a multimillion dollar political empire of corporations, foundations, political action committees and ad hoc groups" active in 1980s (Washington Post, March 31, 1985, p. 1; A16) developed by Tom Ellis, Harry Weyher, Marion Parrott, Carter Wrenn and Jesse Helms. The Fund has served as a nexus between academic theory and practical political ideology. It's leadership, especially, Harry Weyher, Thomas F. Ellis and Marion A. Parrott are part of an interlocking set of directorates and associates linking the Pioneer Fund to Jesse Helms' high-tech political machine. Ellis, for example, simultaneously served as Chairman of the National Congressional Club and the Coalition for Freedom, co-founder of Fairness in Media, a board member of the Educational Support Foundation and Director of the Pioneer Fund.

Recipients of Pioneer grants have included most of the leading Anglo-American academic race-scientists of the last several decades have been funded by the Pioneer, including William Shockley, Hans J. Eysenck, Arthur Jensen, Roger Pearson, Richard Lynn, J. Philippe Rushton, R. Travis Osborne, Linda Gottfredson, Robert A. Gordon, Daniel R. Vining, Jr., Michael Levin, and Seymour Itzkoff - all cited in The Bell Curve.

<snip>

The Congressional Club began after the 1972 Senate campaign, when Ellis retained Richard Viguerie (CNP) to help pay off the Helms campaign debt. Ellis and Viguerie built the Congressional Club mailing list to more than 300,000 regular contributors -- a constituency for Helms and a major financial resource within the conservative movement... Besides Viguerie, Phillips {Howard Phillips}, and Dolan {John T. (Terry) Dolan} connections, Helms is actively represented in Weyrich's {Paul Weyrich} coordinating groups.

This Ellis stuff is all a generation back now, but the same names do coming around. For example, note the mention of Terry Dolan -- the childhood buddy and longtime associate of Roger Stone whose name is being tossed around in connection with the origin of the CBS memos.

(There's also a Thomas F. Ellis III currently associated with the Carlyle Group -- would he be a son of this one?)

"Ain't nobody here but us chickens."
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starroute

Krempasky was in Florida for that recount riot!

http://www.nationalreview.com/daily/nrprint113000.html

National Review
11/30/00 5:10 p.m.

The coverage of the Republican protests in Florida has been reminiscent of the coverage nine years ago of pro-life demonstrations in Wichita, Kansas. The anchors kept talking about "a tense situation here tonight in Wichita," but anyone who looked around could see a scene about as tense as a church picnic — perhaps because most of the protestors were the sort of people who go to church picnics.

In USA Today a few days ago, Marilyn Adams offered a sterling example of the genre headlined "Voices, vitriol rise as dispute becomes 'war.'" A few of the adjectives deployed: "nasty," "disturbing," "ugly," "alarming." Tempers were thin, zeal was competitive, cliches were strewn about like chads after a Democratic handcount. She asks Abe Bonowitz, an "anti-death-penalty activist" and Gore supporter, if he feels "nervous about being outnumbered." (By the way, to say that Bonowitz is an activist is a bit of an understatement — unlike most of the Republicans there, he has a sizable arrest record).

Michael Krempasky, one of the Republicans who went to Florida to help the Bush campaign, says he was standing by Adams and Bonowitz during their interview.
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starroute D

128. Thomas F. Ellis? Lots of bad associations there

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.e.htm#ellis

The Pioneer Fund served as a small part of "a multimillion dollar political empire of corporations, foundations, political action committees and ad hoc groups" active in 1980s (Washington Post, March 31, 1985, p. 1; A16) developed by Tom Ellis, Harry Weyher, Marion Parrott, Carter Wrenn and Jesse Helms. The Fund has served as a nexus between academic theory and practical political ideology. It's leadership, especially, Harry Weyher, Thomas F. Ellis and Marion A. Parrott are part of an interlocking set of directorates and associates linking the Pioneer Fund to Jesse Helms' high-tech political machine. Ellis, for example, simultaneously served as Chairman of the National Congressional Club and the Coalition for Freedom, co-founder of Fairness in Media, a board member of the Educational Support Foundation and Director of the Pioneer Fund.

Recipients of Pioneer grants have included most of the leading Anglo-American academic race-scientists of the last several decades have been funded by the Pioneer, including William Shockley, Hans J. Eysenck, Arthur Jensen, Roger Pearson, Richard Lynn, J. Philippe Rushton, R. Travis Osborne, Linda Gottfredson, Robert A. Gordon, Daniel R. Vining, Jr., Michael Levin, and Seymour Itzkoff - all cited in The Bell Curve.

<snip>

The Congressional Club began after the 1972 Senate campaign, when Ellis retained Richard Viguerie (CNP) to help pay off the Helms campaign debt. Ellis and Viguerie built the Congressional Club mailing list to more than 300,000 regular contributors -- a constituency for Helms and a major financial resource within the conservative movement... Besides Viguerie, Phillips {Howard Phillips}, and Dolan {John T. (Terry) Dolan} connections, Helms is actively represented in Weyrich's {Paul Weyrich} coordinating groups.


This Ellis stuff is all a generation back now, but the same names do coming around. For example, note the mention of Terry Dolan -- the childhood buddy and longtime associate of Roger Stone whose name is being tossed around in connection with the origin of the CBS memos.

(There's also a Thomas F. Ellis III currently associated with the Carlyle Group -- would he be a son of this one?)
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George S

Free Republic connection to rathergate.com

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1214580/posts

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mowreader

Extreme importance

This indicates that the whole thing is a setup designed to destroy CBS as a trusted news source.

We have been able to tie the Swifties to Rove for a month at least--ever since the New York Times chart of SBVT connections was released. (Rove is on it.) It shouldn't be hard to tie these folks to Rove as well.

Here's how it is done:

1. We know that the freeper Buckhead has worked with Kenneth Starr.
2. The most direct line here is to tie Starr to Rove, which shouldn't be hard. http://swiftvets.eriposte.com/behindsbv.htm should help.
3. Once we tie Rove into Starr, from there we can prove that the White House is running all of the anti-Kerry 527 groups.
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starroute

Another link in the chain

FEC Complaint Filed Against CBS and Kerry
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/23/153054.shtml

The Center for Individual Freedom today filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission charging CBS and Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign with illegal coordination.

The two Democrat organizations "violated federal campaign finance laws when they colluded to attack President Bush based on claims and documents now believed to be fake," the center announced from Alexandria, Va.


The juicy part is that CFIF turns out to have been intimately associated with Ken Starr and Harry MacDougald (Buckhead) in a recent suit against campaign finance reform. This is from CFIF's own site:

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/legislative_issues/federal_issues/hot_issues_in_congress/campaign_finance_reform/center_challenging.htm

On March 27, 2002, President George W. Bush – privately, without ceremony or even a publicly released photograph – signed into law the bill commonly referred to as "campaign finance reform"– the most extensive and insidious assault on political speech ever ventured in the U.S.

Lawsuits were filed immediately, most prominently by U.S. Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY), who has for years spearheaded the vigorous and articulate opposition to this misguided legislation in Congress.

<snip>

A distinguished legal team of constitutional and federal election law attorneys, led by Kenneth W. Starr, has been assembled by Senator McConnell, who anticipates the addition of a wide variety of co-plaintiffs. The Center for Individual Freedom will be one of those, and will be represented by the Southeastern Legal Foundation.

The Southern Legal Foundation, of course, is the group of which Harry MacDougald is on the legal advisory board, and he was one of their attorneys for this suit. See http://www.jamesmadisoncenter.org/McConellvsFEC/docket.8.6.2002.pdf for the filing with Starr's and MacDougald's names.


These people just can't help themselves, can they?
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Caliphoto

Okay.. on www.rathergate.com..

I found an interesting comment from the website owner:

U"SA Today on bloggers
Filed under: General— Mike @ 6:02 pm
A nice article on blogging and the CBS scandal today in USA Today. Predictably, they put rathergate.com in far too prominent a place. It hardly “led” anything. Just a catchy domain name, is all. That said, the idea of a screenshot from this site in the print edition is wicked cool. "

Ah gee, shucks, Mike.. you HARDLY LED the thing, did you? Only registering that "catchy" name less than 48 hours after the first broadcast... wow.. like a psychic or something. I also gleaned that he was referred to as a "shadowy republican operative" by Olbermann.
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George_S

(In response to the date of rathergate.com creation:

But the site was setup after Drudge printed something about it:

http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/09/13&ID=Ar00102

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/640pgolk.asp

rathergate.com was create after Drudge got the story.
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Caliphoto

I just checked the email quote George listed..

.. but I found it attributed to a Douglas Lorenz... he's a Republican in California who was all over the Davis recall. I'm not sure where the original poster found it.. or where he's gone since he posted. Do you sometimes think that there are people who pop up here on DU with info we'd like to have, that are sort of pointing us in the right direction??? The email system doesn't look to be that conclusive. I AM, however, interested in how this Krempasky guy KNEW to register that name on the 10th. WHO told him that this would blow up on Rather?? NO ONE but the people who perpetrated the scam would know... even if Rather had simply done the story and pissed off the GOP faithful, that would NOT be called "rathergate", it would be called "firerather" or something. No.. this smells very badly.. and the company listed on the WHO IS is connected with none other than Scaife, who has been involved with other things to take Kerry down.

I'm not letting them win...
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mkrempasky (owner of rathergate.com)

How did I know to register the domain?

I was driving home on Friday night and it struck me that I had read Powerline, polipundit, and perhaps a national review post with that term - and it seemed pretty catchy so I registered the domain. Frankly, I was stunned that no one else had already.

If you followed the Powerline post "61st Minute", I think it was called - it was VERY clear early on this was going to be a big story.
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starroute Donating member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-23-04 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #135
139. There's an existing thread on the FEC filing -- but it's already sunk

I posted the CFIF/MacDougald connection there three hours ago, and mine was the last post on the thread. That's why I repeated the information over here and didn't bother linking. However, if there's interest in continuing the topic, probably better to kick that other thread up than to start a new one. It's in LBN at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x859942
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George_S

http://www.opednews.com/hartmann_092104_tongues.htm
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KoKo01

Dan....here's some info for your site. You may already have this but
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 07:11 AM by KoKo01

I found this yesterday searching for something else. It's the affiliations of the 9/11 Commission in detail.. Oil, Oil, Oil, pipelines..

It's from Washingtonian Magazine...Scroll down on the link when you get there for 9/11 Commission.

-------------------------------------------
RICHARD BEN-VENISTE. Former Watergate prosecutor, now partner in Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw, an international law firm with headquarters in Chicago and London. The firm’s clients include ExxonMobil, British Petroleum, Alliance Pipeline, Union Carbide, Kuwait Refinery, and Indonesia IPP.

FRED FIELDING. Former deputy White House counsel under Richard Nixon; name partner at Wiley Rein & Fielding. As special counsel to the Bush-Cheney transition team, he helped prepare Defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld for confirmation hearings. Fielding’s partner Bert Rein was in charge of international aviation policy at the State Department. Besides Time Warner, Gannett, and United Parcel Service, Wiley Rein clients include Spirit Airlines, Philips Electronics, UNOCAL, the Kansas City Southern Railroad, Intelsat, and Motorola.

JAMIE GORELICK. Former deputy attorney general under Bill Clinton, former Fannie Mae executive, now partner at Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale & Dorr. In addition to the Washington Post, the National Association of Broadcasters, Time Warner, Bayer AG, Yahoo, and Fannie Mae, the firm’s clients include Boeing and Deutsche Bank. Gorelick also sits on the boards of United Technologies and Schlumberger, both with big stakes in Iraqi reconstruction.

SLADE GORTON. Former US senator, now partner in Seattle-based Preston Gates & Ellis, which has one of the most prominent lobbying operations in DC. (The Gates in Preston Gates is the father of Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft.) Besides Microsoft, Amway, Starbucks, and Verizon, the firm’s clients include the Air Transport Association, Southwest Airlines, Delta Airlines, the Port of Seattle, Burlington Northern Railroad, and Wells Fargo Bank.

LEE HAMILTON. A nonpracticing lawyer, this former member of Congress and chair of the House Foreign Affairs and Intelligence committees is president of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars and a member of President Bush’s Homeland Security Advisory Council. Companies that fund the Woodrow Wilson Center include Aramco Services, Archer Daniels Midland, AT&T, BP North America, Boeing, ChevronTexaco, ExxonMobil, Fannie Mae, Lockheed Martin, News Corporation, and Occidental Petroleum.

JAMES THOMPSON. Former Illinois governor, now chair of Chicago-based corporate law behemoth Winston & Strawn. The firm’s clients include American Airlines, General Electric, Caterpillar, and the New York City Industrial Development Authority. Thompson is a director of Hollinger International, the Canadian-based company that owns the Chicago Sun-Times and the Jerusalem Post.
The Nonlawyers

THOMAS KEAN. Former governor of New Jersey, now president of Drew University. An educator by profession, Kean is a descendant of one of America’s oldest families, the Stuyvesants, and a distant cousin of Theodore Roosevelt. Kean serves on the boards of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the World Wildlife Fund.

BOB KERREY. Former US senator from Nebraska, where he earlier served as governor, now president of New School University in New York. Trained as a pharmacist, the Vietnam veteran made his fortune with chains of restaurants and health clubs.

JOHN LEHMAN. Former Navy secretary under President Reagan, now chair of J.F. Lehman & Company, an investment-banking firm. Lehman served on the National Security Council under Henry Kissinger. Lehman’s firm has purchased 11 companies in recent years that specialize in naval or aerospace defense. One, Racal Industries, sells military equipment to 80 nations around the world and specializes in field-communications equipment for use in desert environments. Lehman owns interests in and serves on the board of Ball Corporation, whose aerospace division builds cooling systems for NASA. He is “senior adviser” to BNP Paribas, one of the world’s biggest international conglomerates.

TIMOTHY ROEMER. President of the Center for National Policy, a liberal think tank; former Indiana congressman and son-in-law of former Louisiana senator Bennett Johnston. Roemer once worked for Johnston’s lobby shop, whose clients include General Motors, Northrop Grumman, and Boeing. Among CNP board members: former Agriculture secretary Dan Glickman, now with the DC law firm Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld, and Benjamin W. Heineman Jr., general counsel of General Electric.
http://www.washingtonian.com/capital_comment/jun04capcom.html
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George_S

Buckhead works for:

http://www.wcsr.com/FSL5CS/Custom/home.asp

I think. And they have a manual on what you can get away with, or reasons to sue, when it comes to political broadcasts:

Womble Carlyle Political Broadcast Manual (PDF)

Carlyle? Might be coincidence.

Roger Stone's Ikon Public Affairs is more like a consulting firm, a lot like what the Political Broadcast Manual talks about. It is all image and information war. It's no wonder they have been so effective since they have been building this network since the Nixon years.

However, does

http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-wfsection+article+...

have close ties to Free Republic? Roger Stone's Ikon Public Affairs is well listed there.

To really understand all of this, someone would have to take a year solid and write a book. I'm only interested in this election for comparatively trivial reasons.
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dweller

I this floated through here earlier today

i had to search DU to find it, link to Viguerie, but no response on thread...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=884949

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2402048

who are these 'texans' that are suddenly posting here?
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Caliphoto

The rathergate guy works for Viguerie..

..who is linked to Scaife. Shocking, I tell you.. shocking! Not. I think their specialty is getting their underlings to do dirty work for them...
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starroute

100. You mean this bit?

"Perhaps the most important constituent body of the New Right network after the Heritage Foundation is the National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC), also founded in 1975 by John Terry Dolan, a lawyer by profession, Charles Black and Roger Stone with the help of Richard Viguerie."

http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/showflat/cat/WorldNew

I posted that -- I was out Googling a lot yesterday on the New Right. My general conclusion was that Viguerie is closely linked to the Young Republic/dirty tricks/Karl Rove wing of the New Right. Scaife is much closer to the southern/racist/anti-Clinton wing -- both Harry MacDougald and many of the SwiftBoat figures have Scaife connections.
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starroute

Krempasky and Morton Blackwell's Leadership Institute
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 11:09 AM by starroute


This conference was apparently in 2002. Morton Blackwell is the guy who was handing out the purple heart bandaids -- and his Leadership Institute has been one of the prime training-grounds of the New Right.

http://www.nrlc.org/news/2002/NRL06/stanf.html

Given the liberal, pro-abortion reputation of the student body, the faculty, and the surrounding area, Berkeley, California, would seem like a very unlikely location for a pro-life conference. On first thought, most people would be surprised if a critical mass of people could be found willing to devote time to promoting pro-life causes.

<snip>

On Saturday, April 20, over 60 Bay Area college and high school students were in attendance for the last day of the conference. After the welcome the students attended a series of workshops designed to give them the skills to more effectively promote the pro-life cause.

These included a workshop on fundraising led by the Leadership Institute's Michael Krempasky, a workshop on organizing a pro-life lecture by Michael New of Stanford Students for Life, a workshop by Monika Rodman from the Diocese of Oakland on pro-life responses to "pro-choice" arguments, and finally a workshop led by Jennie Youngblood of First Resort Pregnancy Consulting.


On edit -- see also, from 1999:
http://www.longwood.edu/news/bulletin/sept13_99.html

Leadership Institute September 22, 11 a.m.-1 p.m. in the Rotunda Market. Information on Public Policy careers. All majors are welcome to visit the table. Contact person is Michael Krempasky.
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KansDem

Perhaps "RatherGate" (or Rather'sGate) was all set up and ready to go...

...right after the "60 minutes" report.

Wasn't the White House alerted to the story by CBS, but had no comment?

There appears to be a good deal of activity that occurred in the hours following that report (see post 33) for it to be simply a response to the broadcast. And as one DUer pointed out, all before anyone realized there was a "Rather'sGate"
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George_S

The LA Times...

... has a story on Buckhead being a freeper.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-091704buckhead_lat,1,494535.story?coll=la-home-headlines

The co-writer of "Unfit for Command" also is also freeper.

A blog has a detailed article on the rathergate.com/freeper connection.

I'm sure a lot of media is taking a very close look at FR right now.
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CornField

Info from a thread I started

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2402048

From the Chicago Tribune: "Nowhere on Krempasky's site, however, did he disclose that he is the political director for American Target Advertising, a Virginia firm run by Richard Viguerie, the conservative strategist widely credited with inventing political direct mail and helping Ronald Reagan and numerous other Republicans get elected."

Perhaps the most important constituent body of the New Right network after the Heritage Foundation is the National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC), also founded in 1975 by John Terry Dolan, a
lawyer by profession, Charles Black and Roger Stone with the help of
Richard Viguerie.

Not sure if it will help here... just tossing it out.
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Aries

Rove's M.O.

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/002815.html

...Rove's MO is all over the Killian memo controversy that threatens to take down Dan Rather.

During Bush's first run against Ann Richards, Rove knew that he needed to immunize Bush against the charge of being too aggressive and unfair when going after Ann Richards. So what he did was to create an ad where Bush declared, "My opponent attacked me personally." But get this, the ad was made and distributed to TV stations around Texas before any such accusation was made. Then the campaign used numerous taunts, including a whispering campaign that asserted Ann Richards was gay or too gay friendly to encourage her to pop off against Bush. As soon as she did, the previously prepared ad was shown all over Texas and Bush was seen as the innocent victim of an unfair attack by his opponent....
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Caliphoto

I just sent you a PM -- I believe Judicial Watch is heavily funded by....

Scaife. That is the link I was trying to find... it was posted here yesterday. Hmmm... Scaife does biz with ATA, who employs Kampresky who puts up a professional www.rathergate.com website within hours of the Rather setup. He then comes to DU to tell us that he only set up the website becuase it seemed like a good name... but then immediately sets it up to broadcast fax to have Rather fired.. And.. advertises it as such on FreeRepublic. which is where "BUCKHEAD" pushes the forgery story minutes after the papers are discussed by Rather. Buckheads wife pushes the story in the media...

Oh they're all connected... Kampresky was "vacationing" in Florida during the recount.. oh, the list goes on and on. We've got the connections made.. now.. how do we get a media type to do it more in depth and in the media??
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starroute

149. Judicial Watch seems to be the missing link

One thing that's been perplexing me is that there seem to be two separate groups involved in the most recent rounds of campaign dirty tricks. One is heavily connected with Scaife and includes Ken Starr, the SwiftBoat Liars, and Southeastern Legal/Harry MacDougald. The other is associated with Viguerie and includes classic dirty tricksters like Morton Blackwell (he of the purple heart bandaids) and Roger Stone. (Krempasky formerly worked for Blackwell's Leadership Foundation.)

I've been looking for ties between Scaife and Viguerie, but although they're both frequently mentioned in tandem as founders of the New Right, they seem to be part of different networks of association.

However, this tie between ATA and Judicial Watch definitely puts a connection in place. Not only that, but Judicial Watch was at the heart of the anti-Clinton smear campaigns which seem to be the model for the current anti-Kerry smears.

Here are a few links I just came up with:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/06/11/klayman.jackson

Tax records show Klayman's tax-exempt group, Judicial Watch, was just a shoestring operation in 1996, with total revenues of less than $68,000.

But now it comes out that Judicial Watch received $550,000 in 1997 from the Carthage Foundation, funded by Pittsburgh billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife.

Scaife is intensely conservative and intensely anti-Clinton. He gave $2.6 million to American Spectator magazine to dig up Clinton dirt, then cut off the money when it published a story he didn't like.


There's more details at http://www.americanpolitics.com/061198Klayman.html

And a page at http://www.mediatransparency.org/search_results/info_on_any_recipient.php?recipientID=1122 which says, "Judicial Watch is essentially a tool of Richard Mellon Scaife, who provides almost all its funding" and gives the details to prove it.
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Sorry for any I missed, though I did try to include everything that was still active and promising.

[dweller]

16. excellent!

now will CBS ever put it together?
or do they know already?

dp

[George_S]

17. Thanks

I started a new thread though because I messed this one up with dumb posts. Probably best that way anyway.

[dweller]

18. that thread you started

here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2407402

dp

[George_S]

19. Thanks

Looks like it might die down. You need cable.

[George_S]

20. I think they know, Dweller.

That's why it took them so long to realize the documents were fake. When the rebpubs said they were, they considered the source and knew that source (Buckhead) was bogus. You can bet they are looking into it very closely. That would get them out of this mess with a huge story at the same time.

[mmonk]

22. .

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