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RussBLib Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:33 PM
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Nov 2 is a real test of our democracy. Will it survive??
Nov 2 is a real test of our democracy

Is it going to survive? There are no real guarantees.

Will Bush "steal" another four years? For himself and the Congress? Will the American people rise up and do the right thing and vote him out? Would we be able to pry him out of the White House?

If he gets another four years, will he pack the judicial benches far, far to the right?

If he gets another four years, will our media, which has been acting like a propaganda organ, suddenly awake from their slumber? Our people have to sign "loyalty oaths" to be in his presence. Does our vote mean anything with electronic voting machines?

If he gets another four years, will his insane clown posse start more wars? Loot more of the Treasury? Reward their buddies ad infinitum? Depress dissent even further? Have we ever seen as Orwellian a candidate as Bush? Ah! The mangled language. The obsessive secrecy.

Remember what he said when asked how historians might view his presidency? "Who cares? We'll all be dead."

They're mad. They're freakin' crazy, and they have nukes.

Can our democracy survive another four years of Bush? I'm not so sure.

This is a test ... of our democracy. Please stand by.

"This would be a lot easier if this was a dictatorship. As long as I was the dictator."
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:37 PM
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1. Answers:
Yes, he will pack the judicial benches if he is reselected.

No, the media will not awake from its cozy slumber on the bed of cash he's generated for the media owners.

Yes, he will depress dissent further, by scaring everybody to death about terror attacks. You'd think those voting for him would be tired of the rhetoric--I know I am.

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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:37 PM
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2. Got that last sentence right.
He is a dick tater.
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RussBLib Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:06 PM
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3. damn, this Forum moves fast
makes me dizzy
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:35 PM
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4. Welcome to DU, RussBLib!
:hi:

Yes, things move pretty fast around here but you get so much here it's actually quite efficient!

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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:15 PM
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5. I think democracy will survive if we all do our part now, Nov. 2 and later
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER," and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.

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I have as little superstition in me as any man living, but my secret opinion has ever been, and still is, that God Almighty will not give up a people to military destruction, or leave them unsupportedly to perish, who have so earnestly and so repeatedly sought to avoid the calamities of war, by every decent method which wisdom could invent. Neither have I so much of the infidel in me, as to suppose that He has relinquished the government of the world, and given us up to the care of devils; and as I do not, I cannot see on what grounds the king of Britain can look up to heaven for help against us: a common murderer, a highwayman, or a house-breaker, has as good a pretence as he.

'Tis surprising to see how rapidly a panic will sometimes run through a country. All nations and ages have been subject to them. Britain has trembled like an ague at the report of a French fleet of flat-bottomed boats; and in the fourteenth century the whole English army, after ravaging the kingdom of France, was driven back like men petrified with fear; and this brave exploit was performed by a few broken forces collected and headed by a woman, Joan of Arc. Would that heaven might inspire some Jersey maid to spirit up her countrymen, and save her fair fellow sufferers from ravage and ravishment! Yet panics, in some cases, have their uses; they produce as much good as hurt. Their duration is always short; the mind soon grows through them, and acquires a firmer habit than before. But their peculiar advantage is, that they are the touchstones of sincerity and hypocrisy, and bring things and men to light, which might otherwise have lain forever undiscovered. In fact, they have the same effect on secret traitors, which an imaginary apparition would have upon a private murderer. They sift out the hidden thoughts of man, and hold them up in public to the world. Many a disguised Tory has lately shown his head, that shall penitentially solemnize with curses the day on which Howe arrived upon the Delaware.

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I thank God, that I fear not. I see no real cause for fear. I know our situation well, and can see the way out of it. While our army was collected, Howe dared not risk a battle; and it is no credit to him that he decamped from the White Plains, and waited a mean opportunity to ravage the defenceless Jerseys; but it is great credit to us, that, with a handful of men, we sustained an orderly retreat for near an hundred miles, brought off our ammunition, all our field pieces, the greatest part of our stores, and had four rivers to pass. None can say that our retreat was precipitate, for we were near three weeks in performing it, that the country might have time to come in. Twice we marched back to meet the enemy, and remained out till dark. The sign of fear was not seen in our camp, and had not some of the cowardly and disaffected inhabitants spread false alarms through the country, the Jerseys had never been ravaged. Once more we are again collected and collecting; our new army at both ends of the continent is recruiting fast, and we shall be able to open the next campaign with sixty thousand men, well armed and clothed. This is our situation, and who will may know it. By perseverance and fortitude we have the prospect of a glorious issue; by cowardice and submission, the sad choice of a variety of evils- a ravaged country- a depopulated city- habitations without safety, and slavery without hope- our homes turned into barracks and bawdy-houses for Hessians, and a future race to provide for, whose fathers we shall doubt of. Look on this picture and weep over it! and if there yet remains one thoughtless wretch who believes it not, let him suffer it unlamented.

http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/Paine/Crisis/Crisis-TOC.html
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