The pro-WHITE life movement.....(a must read for black DUer's)

[Joanne98]

This is the most untalked about conspiracy on the web. Yes. A few people have did a really good job but this scandal has got to be brought out in the open. What we have is a very secret group of rich WASP fundies who have conspired to increase the white birth rate while decreasing the black birth rate at the same time.
I've been interested in the fundies since 1995 when I was working in a little store in a small town in Ohio. We only got one radio station and it was the christian channel. I never listen to them before a I was SHOCKED at the way they were plotting around the Welfare Reform Act. They actually had shows that instructed good Christians on how to bring in the children of color that would be left homeless after the Act passed. They bragged about how the foster parents (welfare check) would be more than the mothers had gotten. Then Randall Terry took it a step farther by bragging about his vending machine business that used foster children for labor.
I believe these conservative christians are planning a race war. I believe they're trying to ovethrow our goverment. I'm going to use this thread to throw up what information there is so far. This is one of the great untold stories.

I ran across this just now on another thread..

The Pioneer Fund served as a small part of "a multimillion dollar political empire of corporations, foundations, political action committees and ad hoc groups" active in 1980s (Washington Post, March 31, 1985, p. 1; A16) developed by Tom Ellis, Harry Weyher, Marion Parrott, Carter Wrenn and Jesse Helms. The Fund has served as a nexus between academic theory and practical political ideology. It's leadership, especially, Harry Weyher, Thomas F. Ellis and Marion A. Parrott are part of an interlocking set of directorates and associates linking the Pioneer Fund to Jesse Helms' high-tech political machine. Ellis, for example, simultaneously served as Chairman of the National Congressional Club and the Coalition for Freedom, co-founder of Fairness in Media, a board member of the Educational Support Foundation and Director of the Pioneer Fund. Harry Weyher, president of the Pioneer Fund served as lead counsel for Fairness in Media. 5

Recipients of Pioneer grants have included most of the leading Anglo-American academic race-scientists of the last several decades have been funded by the Pioneer, including William Shockley, Hans J. Eysenck, Arthur Jensen, Roger Pearson, Richard Lynn, J. Philippe Rushton, R. Travis Osborne, Linda Gottfredson, Robert A. Gordon, Daniel R. Vining, Jr., Michael Levin, and Seymour Itzkoff - all cited in The Bell Curve. (1)" 6

Founder of the Pioneer Fund, "Colonel Draper, as he was often called by his friends and admirers was a man searching for a way to restore an older order. Draper believed geneticists could scientifically prove the inferiority of Negros.... Under his direction, the Pioneer Fund's original charter outlined a commitment to "improve the character of the American people" by encouraging the procreation of descendants of the original white colonial stock." Draper turned more and more to academic irredentists still dedicated to white supremacy and eugenics. Most prominent among these early recruits was Henry Garrett, Chair of Psychology at Columbia University from 1941-1955. A Virginia born segregationist, Garrett was a key witness in defending segregation...Garrett helped to distribute grants for Draper and was one of the founders of the International Association for the Advancement of Eugenics and Ethnology (IAAEE) in 1959. The IAAEE brought together academic defenders of segregation in the U.S. and apartheid in South Africa. The Pioneer Fund supported the IAAEE and other institutions working to legitimising race science, including the IAAEE's journal, Mankind Quarterly..." 7

The Pioneer Fund has changed little since its inception. An article in the New York Times on December 11, 1977 characterized it as having "supported highly controversial research by a dozen scientists who believe that blacks are genetically less intelligent than whites." In the 1960s Nobel Laureate William Shockley (1910-1989), a physicist at Stanford University best known for his "voluntary sterilization bonus plan" received an estimated $188,710 from the Pioneer Fund between 1971 and 1978. Arthur Jensen, an educational psychologist, garnered more than a million dollars in Pioneer grants over the past three decades. Three years after being recruited by Shockely, Jensen published his now famous attack on Head Start in the prestigious Harvard Education Review. Jensen claimed the problem with black children was that they had an average IQ of only 85 and that no amount of social engineering would improve their performance. Jensen urged "eugenic foresight" as the only solution. (7)" 8

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.e.htm#ellis

I'm guessing that this movement started with eugenics in the 20's probably, when it was out in the open, but went undercover after Hitler screwed things up for then. I think it started to re-invent itself during the 50's with the help of Joe McCarthy demonizing "libruls" (Jews) as Communists. Then it just kept evolving as the supreme court de-segrated the schools. Add to that the supreme court case with took prayer out of the public schools. Then comes the civil rights movement, the anti-war movement, the birth control pill and abortion, the women's rights movement, affirmative action and finally gay rights. All these things put together equal LIBERALS.
We have our modern day conservative movement. In other words this has been in the cooker a long time and it all started with eugenics.
Even though the left may have differant cause we're all fighting the SAME PEOPLE. This info from seekgod for instance was on the Dan Rather.com thread. they've been after Rather for three decades. My idea is to start focusing on the real base of all this. The conservative christians an their projects.

[billybob537]

1. They must deny science to prove this.

ALL LIFE began in africa. That's not debatable. Sceintific fact is all humans are decendants from africans. Dna proves this.

[Huckebein the Raven]

14. I have always believed that was the reason for the fundie's

denial of science or theory of evolution. They can't accept the fact that they are descendants of Africans. It threatens their preconceived world.

Good post Joanne

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

27. You mean all HOMO SAPIENS life, surely. (nt)

Edit: original title was authored by the Department of Redundancy Department.

[coreystone]

32. Denial is a reasonable explanation for.........

ignorance and bigotry!:crazy:

[seventhson]

2. And the Bushes financed Hitler to promote this

On another thread (one of the Cat Stevens threads)someone linked to Mein Kampf online and I read through a lot of it. The primary purpose of Christianity, from Hitler's perspective, was to cause "Aryans" to have more "Aryan" babies and Hitler found Christianity as a useful organizing tool for promoting this becausae of Christianity's intolerance of other views.

But what is and was the ultimate goal of the Bushes and Hitlers?

Global "racist" control by a German Aryan American power:

This is from a book on Hitler by Konrad Heiden called "A History of National Socialism"

"...Our task is to undertake an immense organization of the whole world in which each land will produce what it requires most and in which the white race - the Nordic race - shall take the leading part in administering and carrying out the vast plan. Believe me, National Socialism would not be worth anything if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule of the superior race over the whole world for at least one or two thousand years."

"The great masses of workmen want nothing else than bread and amusement; they have no understanding of idealism; and we can never count upon being able to gain any considerable support among them. What we want is a picked number from the new ruling class, who...are not troubled with humanitarian feelings but who are convinced that they have the right to rule as being a superior race, and who will secure and maintain their rule ruthlessly over the broad masses."

Heiden continues:

" Hitler added that an understanding with England was in the interests of Germany, because it was necessary to establish a Nordic-Germanic hegemony in Europe, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH NORDIC-GERMANIC AMERICA OVER THE WHOLE WORLD."

[Joanne98]

3. It's kinda like there's a secret fourth reich. I no that's tin foil but...

I keep seeing the signs of it. Look at the way they're building a separate governing stucture right along side ours. A religious, political, social services, afifth column in the military and the police forces, and now there after the Supreme Court. Sometimes they remind me of Hamas and they way their organization is formed. It's scary how far they came without any challeges. Who would suspect Christians of something so evil. It's the perfect cover. But they DUMPED the socialism idea when blacks could get welfare and BREED. this is why they changed form. Now they're FASCIST. Privatizing everything and putting into white christian hands.

[seventhson]

13. I don't even think it is a secret Fourtth Reich. The Bushes FINANCED

the Third Recih and were part of it - the whole enchilada - lock stock and two smoking barrels.

Now this is the SAME Reich , the same corporofascist players - with a new logo.

The Swastika was transmogrified as a trademark into a big "W"

As for these people, they are no more Christians than Sharon or Saddam Hussien.

They USE Chrsitianity as a force for greed, hate, murder and intolerance.

[Joanne98]

20. The Bushes have been embezzeling money from the treasury too.

Catherine Austin Fitts is a whistle blower.

[Joanne98]

22. Bushes have stolen SO much money.......Catherine Austin Fitts.......

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0403/S00177.htm

[iconoclastic cat]

50. Silly, OT question: what were the first two Reichs?

You never hear about them. Who or what were they?

[Joanne98]

58. Good question. i don't know........

[bobbieinok]

61. 1st Reich=Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation

It is commonly considered to have begun in 800 when Charlemagne was crowned emporer. It lasted until Napoleon officially ended it in 1806 when he defeated Prussia at the Battle of Jena.

This empire lasted slightly over 1000 years; the Nazis also talked about their 1000 year Reich.

Note 1: The German word for empire/kingdom is Reich (the adjective reich means rich).

Note 2: American history texts usually just talk about the Holy Roman Empire; the full title was the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.

2nd Reich=the German Empire established in 1871 under the domination of Prussia. It lasted until the end of WWI (1918).

[Joanne98]

67. Now I feel really stupid. I didn't know Reich meant empire DUH!!!!!!!

[Festivito]

6. And Bushs financed Planned Parenthood as I recall.

Only it backfired. White people didn't want extra kids. Now Bushs flip-flopped and put effort into being against abortions, condoms, and sex-information in general.

[Joanne98]

10. White people have children later too.

fighting teenage pregnancy.....

MATERNAL AGE
The overall birth rate declined slightly by less than one percent in 2001. Birth rates for teenagers ages 15-19 declined 26 percent since 1991, reaching a record low. The birth rate among women in their twenties was basically unchanged since 2000; however, the small increase in the 2001 birth rate to women in their thirties and forties resulted in the highest rate for this age group in over 30 years.

Among 2001 births, 11 percent were to women under 19 years of age, over half were to women in their twenties, one-third were to women in their thirties, and the remaining two percent were to women in their forties and early fifties.

Among both black and white women, half of births in 2001 were to women in their twenties. However, a substantially higher proportion of white births were to women in their thirties and forties while the percentage of births to teens was twice as high among blacks as among whites.

http://www.mchb.hrsa.gov/chusa02/main_pages/page_16.htm

[Joanne98]

4. Over-throwing Democracy with voting machines.........

It's funny that it was a christian, Bev Harris, who got the Diebold files. this must have been one of their most cherished projects. You have to admit it was pure genuis.

Incestuous relationships

Increasingly, investigative writers seeking an explanation have looked to Diebold’s history for clues. The electronic voting industry is dominated by only a few corporations – Diebold, Election Systems & Software (ES&S) and Sequoia. Diebold and ES&S combined count an estimated 80% of U.S. black box electronic votes.

In the early 1980s, brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich founded ES&S’s originator, Data Mark. The brothers Urosevich obtained financing from the far-Right Ahmanson family in 1984, which purchased a 68% ownership stake, according to the Omaha World Herald. After brothers William and Robert Ahmanson infused Data Mark with new capital, the name was changed to American Information Systems (AIS). California newspapers have long documented the Ahmanson family’s ties to right-wing evangelical Christian and Republican circles.

In 2001, the Los Angeles Times reported, “. . . primarily funded by evangelical Christians – particularly the wealthy Ahmanson family of Irvine – the institute’s $1-million annual program has produced 25 books, a stream of conferences and more than 100 fellowships for doctoral and postdoctoral research.” The chief philanthropists of the Discovery Institute, that pushes creationist science and education in California, are Howard and Roberta Ahmanson.

According to Group Watch, in the 1980s Howard F. Ahmanson, Jr. was a member of the highly secretive far-Right Council for National Policy, an organization that included Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, Major General John K. Singlaub and other Iran-Contra scandal notables, as well as former Klan members like Richard Shoff. Ahmanson, heir to a savings and loan fortune, is little reported on in the mainstream U.S. press. But, English papers like The Independent are a bit more forthcoming on Ahmanson’s politics.

“On the right, figures such as Richard Mellon Scaife and Howard Ahmanson have given hundreds of millions of dollars over several decades to political projects both high (setting up the Heritage Foundation think-tank, the driving engine of the Reagan presidency) and low (bankrolling investigations into President Clinton’s sexual indiscretions and the suicide of the White House insider Vincent Foster),” wrote The Independent last November.

The Sunday Mail described an individual as, “. . . a fundamentalist Christian more in the mould of U.S. multi-millionaire Howard Ahmanson, Jr., who uses his fortune to promote so-called traditional family values . . . by waving fortunes under their noses, Ahmanson has the ability to cajole candidates into backing his right-wing Christian agenda.

Ahmanson is also a chief contributor to the Chalcedon Institute that supports the Christian reconstruction movement. The movement’s philosophy advocates, among other things, “mandating the death penalty for homosexuals and drunkards.”

The Ahmanson family sold their shares in American Information Systems to the McCarthy Group and the World Herald Company, Inc. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel disclosed in public documents that he was the Chairman of American Information Systems and claimed between a $1 to 5 million investment in the McCarthy Group. In 1997, American Information Systems purchased Business Records Corp. (BRC), formerly Texas-based election company Cronus Industries, to become ES&S. One of the BRC owners was Carolyn Hunt of the right-wing Hunt oil family, which supplied much of the original money for the Council on National Policy.

In 1996, Hagel became the first elected Republican Nebraska senator in 24 years when he did surprisingly well in an election where the votes were verified by the company he served as chairman and maintained a financial investment. In both the 1996 and 2002 elections, Hagel’s ES&S counted an estimated 80% of his winning votes. Due to the contracting out of services, confidentiality agreements between the State of Nebraska and the company kept this matter

http://www.dangerouscitizen.com/Articles/1088.aspx

[LisaLynne]

5. Thanks for the post.

I know that for a long time, this sort of sentiment has been growing among the white fundies. I think that's really why their against abortion and increasingly birth control. They're always very concerned about population rates and things. I think for some time, these ideas were very behind-closed-doors, but lately more and more fundies on the radio have been letting it slip through. These people are scary.

[Blue_Tires]

7. whatever happened to that

TX repub politician that was fighting in court to keep custody of a baby from Nigerian (i think) immigrants?? This was a couple of months ago, i think

[donsu]

8. the judge ruled against them and let the parents keep the child

was the last thing I heard

[donsu]

9. kick

nt

[Joanne98]

11. The GOP Demographic problem by Rich Lowery (I hate this guy)

Is Colorado the next California? Oh, how Democrats hope so -- they want one, two, many Californias.

A recent bout of polls show President Bush pulling ahead in the traditionally Republican-leaning battleground states that he must win, except for Colorado, which remains nip and tuck. The Rocky Mountain State is relatively close for the same reason -- at least partly -- that California has been lost to the GOP in presidential elections: ever-increasing numbers of Latino immigrants. That's why Republican stalwarts Nevada and Arizona are slowly shifting too.

Outside the merits of the immigration issue -- its costs, its implications for security and national cohesion -- the partisan dynamic is clear: Higher levels of Latin American immigration benefit the Democrats, while digging an ever-deeper demographic hole for Republicans. Pro-immigration conservatives fool themselves into believing that being pro-immigration will make it possible for the GOP to convert large numbers of Hispanic voters to their side. This is a party strategy that could have been crafted in Oregon, since it amounts to a kind of partisan assisted suicide.

New immigrants are poor, and Republicans have never, as a basic fact of political life, been good at attracting poor voters. New immigrants settle in large urban areas and older or low-income suburbs. Because these areas tend to be dominated by Democrats, it is Democratic organizations that will introduce them to politics, providing an immense benefit to their own party. "If you add all these considerations up," says James Gimpel, a University of Maryland professor who has studied the issue, "new immigrants just make great fodder for building the Democratic Party."

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/richlowry/rl20040923.shtml

He neglects to mention that the main force behind illegal immigration is the Republican Businessman who wants slave labor. Without mass immigration the right would have never been able to bust the unions and lower the wages of US workers for the last 30 years.
Like all greedy Republicans who want their cake and eat it too, they're solution to this problem is the "Immigration worker permit program". You can be a slave BUT you can't vote.

Another thing Rich neglects to mention is why, if as he says poor people dont' vote Republican, do so many poor WHITE people vote Republican. The VALUE VOTERS. aka WHITE VALUE VOTERS. What would be so powerful as to drive people to vote against their own economic well being. Delibertly voting their families into bankrupcy. Is it RASCISM?

[Joanne98]

12. Thy Will be Done on Earth as it is in Texas.......

The Covert Kingdom


Thy Will be Done, On Earth as It is in Texas


By JOE BAGEANT

Not long ago I pulled my car up alongside a tiny wooden church in the woods, a stark white frame box my family built in 1840. And as always, an honest-to-god chill went through me, for the ancestral ghosts presumably hovering over the graves there. From the wide open front door the Pentecostal preacher's message echoed from within the plain wooden walls: "Thank you Gawd for giving us strawng leaders like President Bush during this crieeesis. Praise you Lord and guide him in this battle with Satan's Muslim armies." If I had chosen to go back down the road a mile or so to the sprawling new Bible Baptist church---complete with school facilities, professional sound system and in-house television production---I could have heard approximately the same exhortation. Usually offered at the end of a prayer for sons and daughters of members in the congregation serving in Iraq, it can be heard in any of the thousands upon thousands of praise temples across our republic.

After a lifetime of identity conflict, I have come to accept that, blood-wise, if not politically or spiritually, these are my people. And as a leftist it is very clear to me these days why urban liberals not only fail to understand these people, but do not even know they exist, other than as some general lump of ignorant, intolerant voters called "the religious right," or the "Christian Right," or "neocon Christians." But until progressives come to understand what these people read, hear, are told and deeply believe, we cannot understand American politics, much less be effective. Given fundamentalist Christianity's inherent cultural isolation, it is nearly impossible for most enlightened Americans to imagine, in honest human terms, what fundamentalist Americans believe, let alone understand why we should all care.

For liberals to examine the current fundamentalist phenomenon in America is accept some hard truths. For starters, we libs are even more embattled than most of us choose to believe. Any significant liberal and progressive support is limited to a few urban pockets on each coast and along the upper edge of the Midwestern tier states. Most of the rest of the nation, the much vaunted heartland, is the dominion of the conservative and charismatic Christian. Turf-wise, it's pretty much their country, which is to say it presently belongs to George W. Bush for some valid reasons. Remember: He did not have to steal the entire election, just a little piece of it in Florida. Evangelical born-again Christians of one stripe or another were then, and are now, 40% of the electorate, and they support Bush 3-1. And as long as their clergy and their worst instincts tell them to, they will keep on voting for him, or someone like him, regardless of what we view as his arrogant folly and sub-intelligence. Forget about changing their minds. These Christians do not read the same books we do, they do not get their information from anything remotely resembling reasonably balanced sources, and in fact, consider even CBS and NBC super-liberal networks of porn and the Devil's lies. Given how fundamentalists see the modern world, they may as well be living in Iraq or Syria, with whom they share approximately the same Bronze Age religious tenets. They believe in God, Rumsfeld's Holy War and their absolute duty as God's chosen nation to kick Muslim ass up one side and down the other. In other words, just because millions of Christians appear to be dangerously nuts does not mean they are marginal.

Having been born into a Southern Pentecostal/Baptist family of many generations, and living in this fundamentalist social landscape means that I gaze into the maw of neocon Christianity daily. Hell, sometimes hourly. My brother is a fundamentalist preacher, as are a couple of my nephews, as were many of my ancestors going back to god-knows-when. My entire family is born-again; their lives are completely focused inside their own religious community, and on the time when Jesus returns to earth---Armageddon and The Rapture.

Only another liberal born into a fundamentalist clan can understand what a strange, sometimes downright hellish family circumstance

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/BageantTheCover...

[Joanne98]

15. The Council for National Policy.....what is it?

Many Evangelical, Pentecostal, Charismatic, Catholic, Mormon and other ecumenically-minded leaders are members of the Council for National Policy, the 500+ member organization which plans the strategy of the Religious Right in the United States.

The CNP, according to their 1996 Telephone Directory, was founded in 1981. While those involved are from the United States, their organizations and influence cover the globe, both religiously and politically. Members include corporate executives, television evangelists, legislators, former military or high ranking government officers, leaders of 'think tanks' dedicated to molding society and those who many view as Christian leadership. Members in many cases are owners or leaders from industry such as lumber, oil, mining, commodities, real estate, the media, including owners of radio, television and print, with all aspects of life covered. Many are involved in education, determining to influence society's direction by direct input with children and youth.

While this information includes members of the CNP, this is not to say that liberal political figures are excluded from the assessment of having "a heart of desperately wicked and deceitful above all things." No one is precluded. However, the CNP members are overtly "Christian" which is used as a cover to deceive the gullible. They have the "form of godliness" and are somewhat "ministers of righteousness", but deny the true power thereof by a carefully contrived doctrine which assiduously avoids the Scriptures which would expose their works that they are evil. Through their propaganda, they provoke visceral reactions from Christians to fight, become angry, to get involved in the political arena, to join and support their organizations through many monetary contributions which makes "merchandise of the saints."

The following information is not designed to provoke anger or resistance to evil. This is strictly prohibited in Scripture. It is to shed light on activities by those who would deceive the elect by devious methods and systematic plans.

The advice from the Lord is mark them so as "to avoid such.." Our walk and manner of life must be as pilgrims and strangers in a "world that lies in the wicked one'.....and "1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."--all that is in the world is not of the Father."

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.htm

[Rich Hunt]

16. check this out...

Look at these "anti-feminists"


Also, I know someone who was in the so-called "pro-life" movement, but ended up becoming estranged from them because of their racism & anti-Semitism. That person went to one conference and was asked if she was "a Jew".

I dunno about a "conspiracy" - they would like to think that, but there are "Republicans" who comfortably rub shoulders with Nazis and Klan members.

[Joanne98]

19. They're anti-femists because you have to increase the white birth rate.

Working while you have a lot of children is hard.

[Joanne98]

17. Southern Fundies and the civil rights movement......

Scarcely anyone expected it. For more than fifty years evangelicals kept studiously aloof from American politics. They sang hymns and tended to souls, but left the burden of legislation and social policy to their more worldly counterparts in the Protestant mainstream ... that their own pastors would lead a political movement seemed out of the question." (1)

So Princeton sociologists Robert Liebman and Robert Wuthnow begin their analysis of the New Christian Right and its phenomenal political impact in America during the late twentieth century. They describe the rise of such organizations as the Moral Majority, Religious Round Table, and Christian Voice, and the efforts of political activists to mobilize fundamentalist Christians, particularly independent Baptists, for their cause. (2) These fundamentalists coalesced in response to various social and political issues including abortion, homosexuality, the Equal Rights Amendment, public school prayer, and the trend toward "secular humanism" in contemporary American life. They hoped to reclaim America as a Christian commonwealth based on the teaching of Scripture and "traditional family values." Liebman, Wuthnow, and other analysts of the New Christian Right seem particularly impressed that the movement appeared on the scene "largely without warning or anticipation." (3) Indeed, they observe that "the fact that evangelicals had refrained from politics for so long meant that (their) appearance was something truly exceptional." (4)

Such observations seem generally correct. Evangelical/Fundamentalists currently demonstrate a political activism heretofore unknown among persons of their religious persuasion. Present trends did not develop "without warning," however. Fundamentalists have been speaking out on moral and political issues throughout most of this century. In fact, this study suggests that the response of southern fundamentalists to the civil rights movement of the 1960s serves as an important guide for understanding their involvement in the New Christian Right of the 1980s. Southern fundamentalists, particularly independent Baptists, provided significant leadership to the Moral Majority and other such organizations from the beginning. (5) Any understanding of the contemporary movement cannot overlook the earlier social and political attitudes expressed by southern fundamentalists in response to the civil rights movement.

This study suggests that the civil rights movement created a cultural and religious crisis that compelled southern fundamentalists to respond. At the same time, their response to particular social, political, and racial imperatives was filtered through their self-proclaimed fundamentalist ideology. While fundamentalism itself is not inherently racist, the southern fundamentalists cited here expressed their own racist sentiments largely through the medium of their fundamentalist theology.

Southern fundamentalism is difficult to define. Clearly, it is no monolithic movement. In a 1986 article on southern fundamentalism, historian Samuel Hill Jr. delineated several types of evangelicals evident within the framework of southern religion. These include the "Truth party," concerned for correct belief; the "Conversion party," primarily interested in personal evangelism; the "Spirituality party" stressing continuous experience of the Divine presence; and the "Service party," whose representatives aim at racial and communal reconciliation. (6)

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NXG/is_1_34/ai_94160906

[Joanne98]

18. The Barna Group

Ethnic Groups Differ Substantially On Matters of Faith
August 10, 2004


(Ventura, CA) - The presidential race is showing how differently the four major ethnic groups in the U.S. deal with life. A new research study from The Barna Group, of Ventura, California indicates that those differences are as significant regarding matters as faith as they are in relation to politics. Based on nationwide surveys among more than 2600 adults, the study concludes that the African-American population is the segment with the most traditional Christian beliefs and practices, and that Asians are generally the least in-tune with Christian perspectives.

The white population of the U.S. is the largest racial group (68%) but also the slowest growing. The fastest growing are the Hispanic (currently 14% of the U.S. population) and Asian populations (4%), with the black population experiencing moderate growth (13%). The overwhelming size of the white population often obscures the significant gaps in belief and practice among the different racial groups.

Matters of Religious Practice

The Barna survey examined eight elements of religious behavior and discovered that blacks were at the high end of religious activity for half of those activities (reading the Bible, praying to God, giving money to churches and watching Christian television). Blacks were also notably less likely than others to be unchurched.

The group that was the least likely to be active in Christian-oriented behaviors was Asians, who generated the lowest scores for all eight religious activities measured. Asians were the least involved in attending church, reading the Bible, praying to God, attending Sunday school, participating in a small group for religious purposes, watching Christian television and who gave the least average amount of money to churches. They were also the group most likely to be unchurched.

Hispanics were the segment most likely to share their faith in Christ with non-believers. In general, Hispanics were below average on most of the religious behaviors examined. They were especially low on the scale regarding the amount of money they donate to churches.

http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx?Page=BarnaUpdate&BarnaUpdateID=169

[DrWeird]

21. The Bell Curve was an amazing display of racism.

They were selling it at Walmart, for christssake.

[Joanne98]

25. The good ole WASP Walmart family..........modern day SLAVERS....

[Samurai_Writer]

23. A great book to read about black/white issues in adoption...

which is related to this subject is Wake Up Little Susie: Single Pregnancy and Race Before Roe v Wade by Rickie Solinger http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0415908949/103-1518813-1607057?v=glance

If there was not a 'demand' for white babies, do you really think the anti-choice crowd would be around? It's all about $$$, supply/demand, and control of women. How often have you seen a clinic protestor plead with a black woman going into a clinic to 'save her baby'? I've been working clinic defense for 12 years, and have yet to see one do it. It's always the young white girls they try to shove their propaganda at and offer the world to if they would just 'save their baby' (and then give it to us for adoption).

[Joanne98]

26. The Handmaiden's Tale

A REALLY CREEPY NOVEL.........

The Handmaid's Tale is set in the futuristic Republic of Gilead. Sometime in the future, conservative Christians take control of the United States and establish a dictatorship. Most women in Gilead are infertile after repeated exposure to pesticides, nuclear waste, or leakages from chemical weapons. The few fertile women are taken to camps and trained to be handmaidens, birth-mothers for the upper-class. Infertile lower-class women are sent either to clean up toxic waste or to become "Marthas," house servants. No women in the Republic are permitted to be openly sexual; sex is for reproduction only. The government declares this a feminist improvement on the sexual politics of today when women are seen as sex objects.

The novel focuses on one handmaid, Offred (she is given the name of the man whose children she is expected to bear--she is of Fred). Offred became a handmaid after an attempt to escape with her daughter and husband from Gilead. They fail; her daughter is given away to a needy woman in the upper circles, and Offred does not know whether her husband is alive or dead, whether he escaped or was captured. Offred is in the service of the General and his wife, Serena Joy. Serena Joy hates that she is unable to bear children and hates Offred for taking her husband seed. If Offred does not become pregnant promptly, Serena Joy will undoubtedly take revenge by sending her away, possibily to the toxic colonies.


Offred does not become pregnant, but she does develop an unexpected relationship with the General. He plays games of Scrabble with her (all forms of writing are officially denied handmaids) and gives her gifts of cosmetics and old fashion magazines. One night he dresses her in a cocktail dress and takes her to an illegal nightclub where Offred runs into an old female friend, now a prostitute in the club.


Serena Joy, desperate for children, finally arranges for Offred to sleep with the chauffeur. The two are happy together; she thinks she is pregnant. Soon after, Serena Joy finds the cocktail dress the General gave to Offred. She knows her husband is to blame, but accuses Offred anyway and sends for the police to take her away to certain death. When the van arrives to take her away, however, it is driven by rebels who carry Offred to safety.



http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/lit-med/lit-med-db/webdocs/...

[LisaLynne]

31. People need to read that novel.

It's where we might be headed if we don't start taking these fundies seriously. At the very least, it's where they'd like to take us.

[Cats Against Frist]

24. This'll scare the knickers off of you

Ivanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as “the Family.” The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation. These groups are intended to draw attention away from the Family, and to prevent it from becoming, in the words of one of the Family's leaders, “a target for misunderstanding.” <1> The Family's only publicized gathering is the National Prayer Breakfast, which it established in 1953 and which, with congressional sponsorship, it continues to organize every February in Washington, D.C. Each year 3,000 dignitaries, representing scores of nations, pay $425 each to attend. Steadfastly ecumenical, too bland most years to merit much press, the breakfast is regarded by the Family as merely a tool in a larger purpose: to recruit the powerful attendees into smaller, more frequent prayer meetings, where they can “meet Jesus man to man.”

In the process of introducing powerful men to Jesus, the Family has managed to effect a number of behind-the-scenes acts of diplomacy. In 1978 it secretly helped the Carter Administration organize a worldwide call to prayer with Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat, and more recently, in 2001, it brought together the warring leaders of Congo and Rwanda for a clandestine meeting, leading to the two sides' eventual peace accord last July. Such benign acts appear to be the exception to the rule.

-- continued at link --

http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html?pg=1

[Joanne98]

29. Thanks for posting that........

No fundie thread would be complete without it.....

[Joanne98]

33. OMG Look at this cartoon........

http://www.kingidentity.com/lib.html

I'd post it but I don't know how. It's called the Liberal Guilt Complex.

[LisaLynne]

30. Yep, absolutely creepy.

The first time I saw that article, I could not believe it. And yet ...

[Joanne98]

28. Christian Colition settle suit for racism....

Christian Coalition settles suit
The Associated Press

12/30/01

WASHINGTON - The Christian Coa1ition has settled a racial discrimination lawsuit filed by black employees. The suit claimed that the workers were denied health benefits and overtime pay, had to enter the organization's Washington headquarters by the back door and were forced to eat in a segregated area.

The terms of the settlement were not disclosed. “The matter has been resolved amicably,' George Dounmr, ~ Washington lawyer who represented the employees, said Friday. Downer said he was not allowed to make any further comment.

Ten black women filed the suit in February. They worked in the coalition's data-entry and remittance departments, opening mail, tabulating donations and entering them into a computer database. The women claimed they were subjected to “Jim Crow-style racial discrimination,” including being told to use the back door because Executive Director Roberta Combs didn't want “important people' seeing them in the reception area.

They also said they were forced to use a segregated break room and were excluded from the coalition Christmas party and events related to President Bush's inauguration. They later filed an amended complaint alleging that the coalition retaliated against them for bringing the suit. Five more employees joined the amended suit, including a white man who said he was fired because hp refused to spy on his black co-workers.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/pat_quotes/cc_racism.htm

[Joanne98]

34. I hit paydirt for right-wing research........

Way to much to read......

http://www.publiceye.org/topics.html

:
Antisemitism
Apocalyptic Dualism
Building Equality
Christian Right & Theocracy
Conspiracism & Scapegoating
Defending Democracy & Diversity
Dynamics of Bigotry
Economic Justice
Environmental Backlash
Ultra Right
Foreign Policy and Militarism
Free Expression & Censorship
Government Misconduct
Hate & Ethnoviolence
Heterosexism & Homophobia
Intro. to the U.S. Political Right
LaRouchite Groups
Media & Propaganda
Militias & the Patriot Movement
Newmanites & Lenora Fulani
Oppression as a Systemic Phenomenon
Policy-Making & Funding
Research, Investigation, & Logic
Racism & Xenophobia
Right-Wing Populism
Scapegoating & Conspiracism
September 11, 2001
Sexism & Reproductive Rights
Sovereignty and Indigenous Treaty Rights
Studying the US Political Right
Surveillance & Spying

[Joanne98]

35. Bingo...... Eugenics History.........

This is exactly what I suspected....

Eugenicist hereditarian ideas of worth tended to maintain the status quo by obscuring the racial and class basis of poverty and advancement in the United States in the early twentieth century. The middle- and upper-class professionals of Anglo-Saxon descent who were leaders in the eugenics movement acted in and out of their own interests. Those interests led to the development of a political program in which an extreme economic conservatism was marked by a virulent anticommunism linked to an embrace of the untrammeled, unregulated capitalist state. Some eugenicist leaders rejected democracy in favor of the corporate state and in the 1920's and 1930's, several leaders of the eugenics movement were active in the promotion of German and Italian fascism.

This paper will examine the background and history of the eugenics movement, placing a particular emphasis on its concepts of racial and class superiority. The eugenics movement put forth a coherent, consistent social program in which anti-immigrant and anti-miscegenation activism played a crucial role in advancing social control by a small elite. Particularly now, when familiar eugenicist arguments echo within contemporary scientific and political circles, questions of motivation and intent are compelling.

Eugenicist hereditarian ideas of worth tended to maintain the status quo by obscuring the racial and class basis of poverty and advancement in the United States in the early twentieth century. The middle- and upper-class professionals of Anglo-Saxon descent who were leaders in the eugenics movement acted in and out of their own interests. Those interests led to the development of a political program in which an extreme economic conservatism was marked by a virulent anticommunism linked to an embrace of the untrammeled, unregulated capitalist state. Some eugenicist leaders rejected democracy in favor of the corporate state and in the 1920's and 1930's, several leaders of the eugenics movement were active in the promotion of German and Italian fascism.

http://www.publiceye.org/racism/Eugenics/Table%20of%20Contents.html

[Joanne98]

36. The rights thirty year war against welfare.........

Prior to the 1960s, a number of states had found methods to exclude large numbers of African Americans from the AFDC program. In the early 1960s, several factors contributed to opening the rolls to people of color, although the vast majority of recipients continued to be white.3 The evolution of a right-wing critique of welfare in the early 1960s coincided with this shift in the racial composition of the AFDC population.4

The Old Right's critique associated the War on Poverty with communism, particularly focusing on the AFDC program as a case study of how "liberalism" destroys society.5 At the same time, the Old Right used explicit racism to promote its message that the civil rights movement was resulting in the breakdown of law and order. By combining these two messages, it becomes possible to single out a vulnerable sector of the population, welfare recipients (increasingly seen as African American and Latino), as scapegoats to perpetuate an agenda of limited government and rugged individualism.6

In the 1970s, the New Right updated the Old Right's focus, shifting it from anti-communism and explicit racial segregation to social issues. This shift in political priorities- a brilliant marketing strategy- opened new possibilities in the attack on welfare. It allowed the New Right to develop and elevate the stereotype of the "welfare queen," which was then skillfully used to full political advantage by Ronald Reagan.7 This resulted in a singular, non-normative, and non-contextualized image of the welfare recipient as a socially deviant woman of color (unwed teen parent, non-wage worker, drug user, long-term recipient). With shrewd use of dissembling imagery, exaggeration, and stereotyping, the New Right played to fears of the welfare recipient as "other."

This rearranging of the agenda has diverted attention from the multiple economic, structural, and institutional factors which contribute to shifts in societal behavior and economic decline,8 thus creating a discourse which connected many, if not most, societal ills to the presence and receipt of welfare.


http://www.publiceye.org/welfare/Decades-of-Distortion.html

THE REPUBLICANS ARE SO FULL OF SHIT. The welfare reform act was a racist agenda. I can still here them saying, "Giving blacks welfare is CRUEL."

[seventhson]

37. Robert Lederman on Bushes and Eugenics

The Bush Gang
by Robert Lederman

As promised, George W. Bush has recruited competent and experienced advisors. Despite their seeming diversity, however, they have a common denominator. The America they reflect is the oil, pharmaceutical, armament, Wall Street and eugenics interests long associated with the Bush family.

Seventy years ago a similar configuration of oil, pharmaceutical, chemical, military supply and eugenics interests were organized by Wall Street into IG Farben/Standard Oil — Hitler’s industrial powerhouse. To grasp the real significance of what Bush’s cabinet has been brought together to accomplish, it is essential to understand the history of IG Farben, its relationship with American corporations and how together they applied modern technology to the task of eugenics or scientific racism.

According to former U.S. Justice Dept. Nazi War Crimes Prosecutor John Loftus — who is today the director of the Florida Holocaust Museum — "The Bush family fortune came from the Third Reich,"according to the Sarasota Herald-Tribune. Along with the Rockefellers, DuPonts, General Motors and Henry Ford, banks and shipping companies operated by the Bush family were crucial players in setting up the industrial power behind the Third Reich. These companies poured hundreds of millions of dollars into IG Farben and provided it with technology for tactically essential synthetic materials — while withholding the same materials and patents from the U.S. government. According to the Encyclopedia Brittanica, IG Farben built and operated more than 40 concentration camps in Nazi-occupied Europe, including Auschwitz. At their slave labor/factory/death camps chemicals, weapons, drugs, synthetic fuels and other materials vital to the Nazi war effort were manufactured. In addition, eugenicists like Dr. Josef Mengele used the human subjects in the camps for experiments, the data from which are today the basis for many drugs marketed by the pharmaceutical industry. At the end of WWII the Allies split up IG Farben into companies that are now the top pharmaceutical concerns on earth, including Bayer, Hoechst, BASF, the Agfa-Gevaert Group and Cassella AG.

For those who scoff at the validity of comparing the Bush administration to the Nazis and IG Farben, please note that I’m not suggesting that Bush is a literal Nazi nor am I implying that everyone who is an oil or pharmaceutical company executive automatically deserves to be linked to IG Farben. That the Bush wealth and prominence in American politics is derived from Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker’s support of Hitler is a historical fact. If the connection ended in 1945 with the destruction of Nazi Germany that might have been the end of it; it didn’t end there however. Not only has the eugenics agenda continued but many of the top Nazis who were advancing it during WWII were brought to the U.S. after the war and installed in academia, the media, government research institutions and the CIA: by the same American officials who worked with the Bush family to build up Nazi Germany in the first place. Their ideas formed the basis for much of the agenda promoted by this nation’s most influential right-wing think tanks — the same think tanks that are the sponsors of George W. Bush and virtually every one of his appointees. Why is it significant that many of Bush’s staff and cabinet appointees are former pharmaceutical company executives as was former President George Bush? These corporations are voraciously patenting the earth’s life forms: its plants, bacteria, viruses, animals and even human genetic lineages. The Human Genome Project, as it admits on the very first page of its website (vector.cshl.org/eugenics.html), is derived from the eugenics movement in the U.S. and Nazi Germany during the first half of the 20th century. The Eugenics Records Office at Cold Springs Harbor, NY, where American eugenics started, was built by the Harriman family, the Bushes’ Wall Street business partners in funding Hitler. This is the new frontier of colonialism in the 21st century; the New World Order both former President Bush and Adolf Hitler so frequently called for.

Robert Lederman is president of Artists’ Response To Illegal State Tactics.

http://www.citypaper.net/articles/011801/sl.slant.shtml

[seventhson]

38. More must read or bookmark and save on this subject

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/298.html

Throughout its history the Eugenics movement has advanced an agenda that if fully recognized and understood for what it is would shock most people living in our current society of relative tolerance and diversity. Prominent advocates of Eugenics in the US, including the Rockefellers, Henry Ford and Margaret Sanger, wanted the government to decide who could reproduce and how many offspring they could have; which ethnic groups should be excluded from immigrating to the U.S. based on their alleged inferiority; and which medical and psychological conditions should qualify one for sterilization or euthanasia.

By the start of WWII 25 States in the U.S. had already passed Eugenics laws requiring forcible sterilization, a policy which was declared constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court. Tens of thousands of American citizens, most of them minorities, were ordered sterilized. Many States were on their way to passing laws requiring euthanasia for the handicapped, the mentally ill and for career criminals.

Adolf Hitler publicly praised the U.S. policy and copied many of its features for the Nazi system which eventually resulted in the Holocaust. Due to the emerging awareness of the Holocaust after WWII and of the extent to which Hitler and Axis powers like Japan had planned to depopulate whole nations and even entire continents, the public promotion of Eugenics experienced a temporary setback.

After WWII, many top officials involved in creating and administering these Nazi policies were brought to the U.S. by our own government and placed in universities, in the military and in scientific institutions and think tanks where their ideas have exerted a tremendous but seldom recognized influence. The CIA, which was started right after WWII, was deeply involved in importing these Nazi officials—supposedly for the purpose of fighting Communism.

[BeHereNow]

39. I feel ill...

All the posts on this thread are the dots that
connect to reveal a terrifying picture of the world
we now live in. Halliburton is the modern day IG Farben.

BHN

[Swamp Rat]

40. And GE never went out of business.

I suggest you read Edwin Black's book on eugenics: "War Against the Weak." Connecting all the dots leads to the conclusion that the Nazis were inspired by the American eugenics movement, but since they failed over there, they came over here after WWII (Waffen SS in the CIA).

http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/

[Joanne98]

41. GE that figures. what an evil company. Wasn't IBM involved in the

Holocaust too?

[Joanne98]

42. Tommy Thompson's HHS New birth rate data......

Variations by Race and Hispanic Origin

Nonmarital birth rates differ considerably by race and Hispanic origin. Reliable rates can be computed for white, black and Hispanic women; population data by marital status and race have not been available to allow us to compute similar rates for other race and ethnicity groups except in census years. Rates for unmarried black women have historically been higher than for white women, but the disparity has narrowed because birth rates for unmarried white women have increased more steadily than for unmarried black women (table 2).

The rate for unmarried white women more than doubled from 18 per 1,000 in 1980 to 38 in 1994, and has since declined slightly to 37. In contrast, the rate for unmarried black women increased from 81 in 1980 to 91 in 1989 (about 12 percent ), and has declined steadily since to 73 per 1,000 in 1997 (down about 19 percent) (table 2).

Rates for unmarried Hispanic women are available only since 1990. The rate was highest in 1994, at 101 per 1,000, and has dropped 10 percent since. The birth rate for unmarried Hispanic women is the highest of any race/ethnicity group; this is consistent with the overall fertility patterns for Hispanic women.

Rates for unmarried women by age within race and Hispanic origin groups show essentially the same trends as the overall rates by race and ethnicity. Rates have fallen steeply for unmarried black women under age 35 (table 2).

Birth rates for married black women have declined even more than rates for unmarried black women and the rates are now much closer to each other (table 3). As a result, the proportion of births to unmarried black women remains high, 69 percent in 1997. Birth rates for married as well as unmarried non-Hispanic white and Hispanic women have generally stabilized or declined. As a consequence, the proportions of births to unmarried non-Hispanic white and Hispanic women have changed much less since the early 1990's compared with previous years. In 1997, 22 percent of births to non-Hispanic white women and 41 percent of births to Hispanic women were nonmarital.

http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/t990629b.html

Birth rates for unmarried BLACK WOMEN have declined BUT birth rates for MARRIED BLACK WOMEN declined even more.... Ain't poverty grand. outsourcing is good for many things apparently...
I'm still looking for the report that says the only group who's birthrate went up was white evangelical Christians. I know read it somewhere but I still can't find it.

[Swamp Rat]

49. Yes, and IBM is STILL involved with genetic experiments.

I think they are partners with Nordic and another company, perhaps a Finnish company. I can't remember, but I saw Edwin Black speak about it on C-SPAN many months ago. He said something about DNA recognition/data collection and denying certain genotypes health insurance... probably so they'd die off quicker - who knows?

[goclark]

43. KKK is alive in CA

I am African American and the thread validates my strongly held beliefs. RACISM is the heart and soul of American politics.

I attended a Civil Rights meeting early this year. One of the speakers was a well known preacher. He read to the audience a chilling letter that his church had received from the KKK in California.

They threatened his life!

When he reported the incident to the police/FBI etc.,it was even more chilling. They gave him information about the growth of the KKK in the California area. The statistics were beyond belief.

If the KKK is growing in California, it is growing every where in this nation. The Christian Right is directly responsible for all of this hate. They are allowing the KKK to hide behind the cross.

They are dangerous! Before they would ride in the middle of the night and kill my people. When they did they had on White sheets.Today they walk down the street in broad daylight. They sit in the WH and in the Churches and wear the cross instead of sheets.

[Joanne98]

45. Just keep talking about it. they want you to be quiet.......

It's the only way they can get away with this evil. Any black preachers that get threatened from now on need to go straight to the "Southern Poverty Law Center". File a report with them first, THEN call the police and make sure they know the SPLW has a full report too. Police will CYA first before they take a chance of losing their jobs for anyone else.

[goclark]

46. Txs Joanne

[Joanne98]

44. Professor James Neel and "the leadership gene" experiment OMG

Scientist 'Killed Amazon Indians To Test Race Theory'


By Paul Brown


From: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/092300-01.htm

Geneticist accused of letting thousands die in rainforest

Thousands of South American indians were infected with measles, killing hundreds, in order to for US scientists to study the effects on primitive societies of natural selection, according to a book out next month.
The astonishing story of genetic research on humans, which took 10 years to uncover, is likely to shake the world of anthropology to its core, according to Professor Terry Turner of Cornell University, who has read the proofs.

"In its scale, ramifications, and sheer criminality and corruption it is unparalleled in the history of anthropology," Prof Turner says in a warning letter to Louise Lamphere, the president of the American Anthropology Association (AAA).

The book accuses James Neel, the geneticist who headed a long-term project to study the Yanomami people of Venezuela in the mid-60s, of using a virulent measles vaccine to spark off an epidemic which killed hundreds and probably thousands.

Once the epidemic was under way, according to the book, the research team "refused to provide any medical assistance to the sick and dying Yanomami, on explicit order from Neel. He insisted to his colleagues that they were only there to observe and record the epidemic, and that they must stick strictly to their roles as scientists, not provide medical help".

The book, Darkness in El Dorado by the investigative journalist Patrick Tierney, is due to be published on October 1. Prof Turner, whose letter was co-signed by fellow anthropologist Leslie Sponsel of the University of Hawaii, was trying to warn the AAA of the impending scandal so the profession could defend itself.


http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/C-fraud/04-US-gov/2004/05C4-04-07-04-scientist-killed-amazon-indians-to-test-race-theory.html

[Joanne98]

48. This leadership gene experiment reminds me of what's going on in Haiti

right now...... Is somebody observing the behavior of the Haitians to see who's more likely to survive? Fucking Condi Rice had the GOOD GUY thrown out of Haiti. I hope she's happy watching what's happening. She IS a HOUSE SLAVE! FUCK YOU CONDI!!!!!

Haiti gunmen raid food supplies
10.55AM, Sat Sep 25 2004


Gunmen have raided homes and stole food from Haitians outside aid distribution centres as UN troops struggled to maintain order.

After floods that killed 2,000 people, a Brazilian-led UN force said 140 Uruguayan soldiers were sent to guard food convoys after they also came under attack near the city of Gonaives, which has been devastated by Tropical Storm Jeanne.

Armed gangs had tried to seize food directly from the distribution centres set up in Gonaives by aid agencies, and had forcibly grabbed food from residents as they left the centers.

The secretary general of the Haitian Red Cross, Berthony Marlet, said additional security was badly needed. He had heard children crying for help as gunmen entered their homes to rob them of newly distributed food.

"Gunmen have attacked residents who just got assistance and now they are attacking humanitarian convoys. We definitely need more security on the ground," Marlet said.

Kongo-Doudou said UN agencies had delivered about 120 tonnes of food since Gonaives and other areas in the north and northwest of the poorest country in the Americas were buried under a wall of water and an avalanche of mud last weekend.

The official death toll from Tropical Storm Jeanne - now a hurricane bearing down on the Bahamas and Florida - stood at 1,180 and another 1,210 were missing

[bobbieinok]

62. commondreams article is no longer accessible

[crickets]

64. Try this link

http://web.archive.org/web/20010218213147/http://commondreams.org/headlines/092300-01.htm

All hail the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

edit: typo

[Joanne98]

65. Thanks crickets........

:)

[crickets]

71. You're welcome! (nt)

[crickets]

63. Holy crap

Oh, my god. He was such a big deal when I was studying for my degree. He made himself out to be someone trying to study them dispassionately, yet caught up in befriending them - the catch-22/bad boy thing to do - and supposedly he was trying to help them survive as a one of the last unspoiled indigenous peoples surrounded by a sea of change.

Where do these f-tards trying to pass themselves off as scientists, much less human beings, come from? Can we send them back, please?


Angry. Incoherently sad and angry right now.

ETA: I was so upset, I jumped to a conclusion I shouldn't have. I went looking for the texts I read in school. The anthropologist I'm thinking of is NOT Neel, thank goodness. That doesn't matter to the dead, though. Still incredibly angry and sad.

[Joanne98]

47. EVE was created FIRST! haha

Scientists have puzzled over the fact that men's common ancestor, dubbed Y-chromosome Adam, seems to have lived around 100 thousand years ago, whereas women's common ancestor, known as mitochondrial Eve, lived almost 200 thousand years ago.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/09/040920063537.htm

[Pachamama]

51. Last week here in CA I had an encounter that creeped me out

...now as I read this thread, it gives me chills....

I live in a very affluent area in Marin County, which is north of the Golden Gate Bridge...aside from its beauty, its always been known as a place (especially in the 60's/70's) where artists and hippies went to live...Santana, the Dead, Bonnie Raitt etc all live here...its known as a "liberal" hotbed...ofcourse, nothing is ever 100%, but one would find only a small percentage of Republicans here...

Meanwhile, a neighbor up in my canyon who waves hello occasionally over the years and makes small talk w/ my family started holding up a Bush/Cheney sign as he "drove" by...It was strange that he suddenely started doing this, because I had my "Pace" flag out and first my Dean and then the Kerry signs out for a long time. I "playfully" would pretend my "eyes" were burning when he drove by holding the sign up...this went on for several days...Then one day last week, he pulls over...I figured it was to say hi...next thing I know, the guy is on a rampage about John Kerry, talking about him meeting in Paris with the Viet Cong and that he's guilty of Treason and should die for Treason....I was looking at him almost in disbelief as I wondered where this tirad was coming from...I said nothing and when he was done, he starts going off on Barack Obama, calling him the "White Man's Blackie" aka "Blackie Obama"...I just said oh yes, isn't he wonderful...his parents are white and black, I'd say that makes him the people's person....I said he and John Kerry were both wonderful and were going to be great leaders...He asked how I could vote for Kerry and support these people...I said "As opposed to Bush and Keyes, who don't support a woman's right to choice?" He then started going off about abortion, and saying that no way in hell were his tax dollars going to pay for abortions....then he paused and said "well, that's actually not true - if its for abortions for them Blackies over in Oakland, then its okay, give them all abortions...."

I was stunned...people who know me, know I'm hardly ever "speechless" or left without words....well, this time I was....I didn't know what to say....I couldn't believe I was in the year 2004 in Marin County hearing what I was hearing - maybe if I had been in Mississippi in 1952, that would have been not surprising, but not in Marin Cty, CA in 2004....Then he started on his way but by ending the conversation again on Kerry calling him guilty of Treason and a liar...when I tried to answer, he said "you weren't there during Vietnam, I was (and then like the Chickenhawk he is starts saying why he got deferments....) but he said you were only a small kid....I then said, well, actually your right, I was a small kid, and I wasn't here...I was actually in Germany as a child during Vietnam....and while I wasn't there either during the 3rd Reich, I know about that too....He looked at me, but didn't get it....or maybe he did....He now drives by and doesn't hold up the sign or talk to me....it really creeped me out....I think the Repukes are getting more aggressive and scary and after reading your post, it makes me wonder what is going on....It's like the bad dream is actually happening and getting worse....

[Joanne98]

52. Here's all the FACTS to counter the Swift Boat liars........

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=884953&mesg_id=884953

You should print this up and carry it with you. Next time the asshole talks to you give it to him.

[Pachamama]

59. Thanks for the info....Hope to give it to him... :)

And thanks for the great posting in general...terrible topic, but sadly the truth about our times....

[CitySky]

69. I don't know whether to throw up or cry

[Joanne98]

70. REPORT ANY KKK INCIDENTS HERE........

http://www.splcenter.org/

to the Southern poverty Law Center. these are the guys that filed the lawsuit that bankrupted them before. KKK are scared of SPLC. Don't hesitant to use it.

[Joanne98]

53. Facism

Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.

Fascism's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies--and elitist--in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one supreme leader, from whom authority proceeds downward. Fascism seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of organic community, usually through a totalitarian state. Both as a movement and a regime, fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control, and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale of violence varies widely.

Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and conservatism, yet it borrows concepts and practices from all three. Fascism rejects the principles of class struggle and workers' internationalism as threats to national or racial unity, yet it often exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic scapegoating or radical-sounding conspiracy theories. Fascism rejects the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government, yet it advocates broad popular participation in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power. Its vision of a "new order" clashes with the conservative attachment to tradition-based institutions and hierarchies, yet fascism often romanticizes the past as inspiration for national rebirth.

Fascism has a complex relationship with established elites and the non-fascist right. It is never a mere puppet of the ruling class, but an autonomous movement with its own social base. In practice, fascism defends capitalism against instability and the left, but also pursues an agenda that sometimes clashes with capitalist interests in significant ways. There has been much cooperation, competition, and interaction between fascism and other sections of the right, producing various hybrid movements and regimes.

http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html

WHO DOES THIS SOUND LIKE?

To this end, fascism calls for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines.

[Windmill Advocate]

54. I'm sorry to go against the grain here BUT...

Margret Sanger was a racist and founded Planned Parenthood with a former Nazi physician. The whole point to it's beginnings was eugenics. I know this doesn't sit well with a lot of us, but the truth sometimes ain't pretty, but lying about the truth is far worse.

[Joanne98]

56. Your right and the Bushes were involved in PP too. BUT it slowed the

WHITE BIRTH RATE instead of the BLACK/Brown one, so they dumped it. It was probably kept alive by the feminests movement in the 70's. A mostly white female movement aimed at cracking the glass ceiling and that meant not being tied down with too many children. This isn't the only instance where the opponents have switched sides. The Democrats used to be the racists. Until Kennedy and Johnson backed the civil rights movement. It all seemed to come to ahead in 1968 with the police riot in Chicago. ALL the racists left the party (those damn hippie traitors) and became Repigs. That's how we got the Southern realignment. It's confusing, I know. Especially when the right says things like... WE'RE THE PARTY OF LINCOLN. Well, they used to be but NOT ANYMORE.
Now they're the party of the conservative christian dixie-crats who want to bring slavery back.

[Joanne98]

55. The OH soooooo SNEAKY Promise Keepers......

Andrea Smith scrutinizes the Christian Right’s "race reconciliation" movement

In the past decade, "race reconciliation" has been a growing trend in Christian Right circles. A profusion of books has been published on the topic, and an increasing number of articles in conservative Christian periodicals have focused on racism and the role of people of color in conservative Christian communities. Most prominent white evangelical organizations have issued statements advocating race reconciliation. Its purpose, as one of its spokesmen, Tony Evans, puts it, is to "establish a church where everyone of any race or status who walks through the door is loved and respected as part of God's creation and family." But the rhetoric of race reconciliation requires scrutiny. Most analysis thus far has been simplistic, failing to shed light both on the threats and the opportunities race reconciliation poses for communities of color.


Hearing the Call of Race

"Christian evangelicalism" and "racial justice" seldom appear harmoniously in the same sentence. Jerry Falwell has even admitted that contemporary Christian Right organizing was primarily motivated by a reaction against racial justice struggles in the 1950s and 1960s. Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, groups such as the Moral Majority and Christian Coalition have mobilized members to oppose civil rights legislation and to support the apartheid government of South Africa. Meanwhile, evangelical institutions remained staunchly segregated. In 1990, Christianity Today found only 8 percent of the employees at 25 of the largest evangelical organizations are people of color, a figure that is less than half of that found in secular workplaces. Only four of the mission agencies, media organizations, or schools surveyed had any formal plans for recruiting minorities. We can say in retrospect that–given the religious right's shameful record on race issues, and the fact that racism in its crudest and most obvious forms is becoming less socially acceptable–"race reconciliation" was a movement waiting to happen.

To quote the Christian Coalition, "We don’t have a skin problem in this country, we have a sin problem.

In 1992, the Promise Keepers emerged, coinciding with the Los Angeles riots. An evangelical men’s organization, it was the among the first to publicly put race reconciliation on its agenda. When Bill McCartney organized the first Promise Keepers rally in 1991, he was troubled by the fact that the attendees were all white: "The Spirit of God clearly said to my spirit, `You can fill that stadium, but if men of other races aren't here, I won't be there, either." Since then, McCartney has made race reconciliation one of the top priorities of the Promise Keepers, and his efforts seem to be meeting with some success. While in general about 84 percent of the attendees at PK rallies are white, one-third to one-half of the attendees at a 1996 rally in New York City were men of color. Typically, about one-third to one-half of speakers at PK rallies are men of color, and racial themes sound throughout most if not all speeches. About 40 percent of PK executive staff are men of color. The journal, New Man, which started as a PK periodical, also focuses on race reconciliation and prominently features articles by and about men of color–more so than left-leaning journals like The Nation and The Progressive.

Now evangelical Christian organizations everywhere are jumping onto the race reconciliation bandwagon. Six years ago, the Southern Baptist Convention issued an apology for slavery and racism. Emmanuel McCall, an African American in the Southern Baptist Home Mission Board, recently declared "the Southern Baptist Convention the most racially inclusive religious body in America." Christianity Today even went so far as to run a cover story supportive of evangelical black nationalism.



http://www.arc.org/C_Lines/CLArchive/story5_1_02.html

[Joanne98]

57. Rapture Ready News........ WE SHOULD BE SO LUCKY.......

This is a site devoted to the long awaited (by me) rapture. In this article the "faithful" are bitching about American Jews who are afraid of their religion. These Jews are also worried about the WACKO American Conservative Christians desending on Israel right now which seems pretty sensible to me since CHRISTIANS have tired to kill them off for the last 2000 years. These bastards act like they own Israel. I wish the left would get control back and throw the lunatics out...

http://www.raptureme.com/cgi-bin/rrnews_list.cgi?cmd=one&file=rrnews/N.20040926.074955.Think_Again__Go


What do Shinui and a large swath of American Jewry have in common? Answer: An obsessive fear of anything connected to religion, and contempt for people of faith.

American Jews live in terror of religious Christians - the kind who tell their elected representatives that America will be judged by its treatment of Israel. (Well-heeled Presbyterians, who have, like most Jews, reduced religion to "good deeds," such as boycotting Israel, trouble them far less.) Every litany of the evils of George W. Bush includes his religiosity.

An August 12 op-ed by Eli Valley of the Steinhardt Foundation's Jewish Life Network perfectly captured American Jewry's anti-Christian phobia and general disdain for religion. The most frightening thing about President Bush, wrote Valley, is that he "has made no secret of his spiritual devotion."

Fundamentalist Christians hope for the conversion of all Jews and thus the end of Jewish religion, warns Valley, and that should make every Jew shudder. Even if the charge were true, it should cause no shudders: Given the phenomenal success of American Jews in ending the Jewish religion through intermarriage and assimilation, there is little left for Christian fundamentalists to do.

[Djinn]

60. eugenics had it's start

in the late 1700's when "scientists" originally invented the flawed and discredited theory of "race" - they were also fond of measuring the skulls of various ethnicities and "criminals" to "proove" some people were inferior by birth, or naturally pre-disposed to crime.

Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, invented the (erroneous) term "caucasian" and this "race" was in his view - "considered as the primate or intermediate of these five principal races." Other races represented "a degeneration from the original type."

a little off topic but I find the origins of this stuff (Samuel Morton is another one to have a look at) pretty interesting

[Joanne98]

66. They've been denying white women birth control pills......

They say it's against their morals. So far I havent heard of any black women being denied. It might be a good way to test my theory. First locate a pharasist who has been refusing to fill birth control prescriptions, Send in a white woman then send in a black one and see what happens. it's pretty sneaky but it might work...


LACONIA - When Suzanne Richards went to a drive-through Brooks pharmacy on a recent Saturday night, an assistant told her the pharmacist could not fill her prescription for the morning-after pill.

When Richards told the assistant she had gotten the prescription filled at there before, pharmacist Todd Sklencar came to the window and told her he was morally opposed to prescribing something that could end a life, Richards said.

Sklencar then told her to transfer the prescription to another pharmacy.

"He said something like, 'I believe this will end the fertilization of the egg and this conception was your choice,'" Richards told Foster's Sunday Citizen.

"I'm a single mother and I'm just trying to be responsible," she said. "When I realized what he was saying, I pulled the car over in the parking lot and just cried."

Richards returned to the pharmacy later that night with her father, but Sklencar once again refused to fill the prescription and did not tell her where she could get it filled, she said.

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?ar...

It doesn't say what race she is but I bet she's white.....

[Joanne98]

68. I'm going to save my Betty Bowers e-buke cards here.........

Since the thread dropped. It's good ammo to send to the FAKE Christians everybody knows......

What ever happened to the powerful and wrathful God of the Bible? I've looked for Him, but a cuddly, weepy wimp of an imposter -- the Oprah Jesus -- has replaced Him. Apparently, an angry, judgmental God was "testing negative" in an America that prefers to act upon its cherished self-esteem with neither judgment nor consequence. After all, what place does the concept of adultery have in a country that has exchanged the immorality of the act of cheating with the victimhood of the "disease" of sex addiction?

http://www.bettybowers.com/oprah.html


New Age "Jesus is Love" Hallmark Greeting Card Christians make the real Jesus reach for His Vicodin! Now, you can let them know how irritating their Disneyfied Jesus is to the wrathful God depicted in the Bible. Send them an automated, head-spinning rebuke: the E-buke! Just press a button and Betty & Jesus do the rest!
You can send an E-buke from this page letting someone know they are a Fake Christian -- or CLICK HERE to send an E-buke to let someone know that Landover Baptist Salvation Evaluation Committee has determined that they are going straight to Hell. Truly, being self-righteous has never been so easy. Glory!

The differant cards they have are....
GAL PAL JESUS
INDIAN GIVER JESUS
COMPETITIVE JESUS
STONER HELPER JESUS
EMOTIONAL JESUS
SPLIT PERSONALITY JESUS
HELPLESS JESUS