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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 11:55 AM
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45 million - 1/3rd of total votes using electronic voting! Are we screwed?
It seems to me that THIS was the first fight the Democratic party absolutely HAD to win! But Tom Delay forced Rush Holt's bill to stay in committee, the Senate did no better with Bob Graham's bill. The Dem's had to somehow bypass the press and take this issue to the public (somehow informing and inspiring the people to demand this democracy killing problem be remedied), but didn't until now. For all the hard work of Bev Harris & Co. - the problem obviously wasn't remedied - and America now finds itself on the verge of having having it's national election rigged on a grand scale.

No matter how hard Kerry campaigns or how thoroughly he trounces the fool War Chimp in the debates, no matter how much money the Democratic Party spends on ads - will any of it now matter? Does anyone out there doubt that BushCo will resort to stealing this election by using these electronic systems to alter the tabulations? They used it in Volusia County, FL to help steal the 2000 election (it got Chimpy to be named president-elect - a title he refused to relinquish as Gore tried to "steal" his presidency. Our long time reliable exit polling service VNS (who called the 2000 election correctly, just as they had every other one) has been dis-banned and replaced by something of an unknown quantity.

At this late date, is there something, anything that can be done to prevent this theft? It's been suggested that additional exit polling could be conducted by a reputable entity such as Zogby. Michael Moore's taking his cameras down to Florida. The Kerry camp is already promising/threatening legal challenges, but... Skewed corporate polls try represent the ridiculous Bushler as having a substantial lead. How can that be possible with his record - easily the worst in the history of the office? How can it even be a race at all? They've got us ready for it. They've got us believing the mad idiot is electable. I don't buy it, and neither do any of my close friends or family - from three different states (2 swing). They're going to steal it - period. What are we going to do?

:shrug:

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65044,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 11:58 AM
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1. we are IF the repugs use it to steal votes....and IMHO they will
there is NO other reason to produce a voing apparatus which CANNOT be validated.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:03 PM
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2. But the sheeple have paid so little attention to this...
Occupied with the MUCH bigger issues of Kolbe Bryant, Scott Peterson, Michael Jackson, Martha Stewart, Dan Rather....
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:08 PM
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3. Yes, we are well and truly fucked.
That doesn't mean I won't keep on bailing out the ship like a madman, it only means I've chosen to temporarily ignore that the ship we are trying to keep afloat is the TITANIC.

Actually, it's more like the Andrea Doria, with the rePukes cast as the Stockholm.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:13 PM
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4. Yeah, I was afraid I'd hear that it wasn't just me. Michael Moore's "put
Edited on Fri Sep-24-04 12:15 PM by ElementaryPenguin
away the hankie" article was inspiring however, and Kerry's speech at convention was terrific - and he's finally starting to really go after the war criminal in chief... Can't something be done to provide additional exit polling?
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:17 PM
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6. Hey that's what RED TERROR ALERTS are for.
Keep them Pesky Dems far away from polling places. Might be a Terrarist y'know.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:20 PM
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8. LOL!
I bummed/worried about this whole damn mess - but it IS Friday! Thanks for the laugh!

:toast:
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Irishladdie Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:15 PM
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5. Are we Screwed????
Not if the Hackers are Democrats!!!! ;)
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:19 PM
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7. Excellent point!
Could there be a better possible way to teach these bullying frickin' fascists a good lesson? A trio of 15 year-old MTV watching kids hack the election and have Kerry ending up on top after the Rethugs think they have it stolen!

:bounce:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:47 PM
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9. I hope some Dem hackers are working on this, because Repugs will be
I can assure you that Repugs already have plans to steal this election, which is why they have not only been dragging their feet on these machines but have been actively pushing for them and have been actively pushing for them without paper ballots, also.

The security holes for these machines are so big you can drive a tractor trailor through them.
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