How can Bush be an 'excellent debater'....

[TrustingDog]

?? I'm confounded here.

some jerk on CNN is crowing about how great Gorge is at it.
If a lie is said often enough and with great enthusiasm, it then becomes a truth?

edited tpyo.

[dogtag]

1. Good. They've taken our bait. (n/t)

[proud patriot]

31. WHEEEEEEEE !

:evilgrin:

[sui generis]

2. we're setting the bar as high as possible for shrub

remember in 2000 he "won" the debates merely because he remembered his own name; they had set the bar that low.

[athena]

17. But wait.

What if this doesn't work? What if all this talk of what a great debater Shrub is just makes it easier for the media to pretend after the debates that Shrub did a great job? It seems to me that the media will skew the debates in Shrub's favor no matter what we do.

[sui generis]

24. I don't think we can change how the media will treat the debates

but there was a prevalence of opinion following the 2000 debates that the media had focused on * doing "better than expected" and even using language as specific as "setting the bar low".

And whoever believes today that he really is a great debater isn't terribly likely to be confused by facts . . . so it's also a bit of entertainment.

[ewagner]

28. Wrong

He was deemed to have won because he didn't drool!

[Skinner]

3. For one thing...

...he kicked Al Gore's ass three times in a row back in 2000.

[BootinUp]

7. you mean "some people say" -eom

[jayfish]

11. Yes, They Were Stunning Defeats.

I was surprised that we actually won the election after those three eviscerations. :smoke:

Jay

[BootinUp]

4. I hope so. ;)

Expectations...going up.

[CornField]

5. He's never lost a debate

Ever.

[TrustingDog]

9. link to g/b debates of 2000...

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2000b.html

I have some reading to do...

[Brian_Expat]

6. lol

I'm sure he's an excellent "debator." Whether he's a good DEBATER or not is another question entirely. ;)

[TrustingDog]

12. heh.

[Kierkegaard]

8. No clue...

Night is day. Black is white. I'm really worried about what has happened to this country. I was taught early that telling the truth is an absolute must, no matter the circumstances. Naturally, it really bothers me that lying has become so acceptable in today's society.

Very dissapointed...

[pagerbear]

10. He's got that unshakably confident bearing

...or at least he did before. Doesn't matter if he's right or wrong or if he's talking gibberish.

[Emboldened Chimp]

13. Bush has yet to lose a debate

He's positively Churchillian in his delivery. Bush will mop the floor with Kerry.

[NoPasaran]

14. Not only is he an excellent debater

But he is the font of all wisdom; a master of strategy and clever tactician; an insightful logician; and he can play the Minute Waltz in forty-five seconds! :scared:

[kerryin2004]

15. Bush is a master debater..

I only hope Kerry can hold his own..No one can defeat Bush!!

[TahitiNut]

19. "de"??

Hmmmm.... :silly:

"hold his own"??? (Well ... how else?) :evilgrin:

[kerryin2004]

23. hehehehe

good catch:)

[denverbill]

16. He uses words most people haven't even heard of.

Most smart people anyway. And most dictionaries.

Frankly if Kerry doesn't break down in tears after Bush's first oratorical masterpiece, it will be a HUGE victory for Kerry. If he manages to last through the entire debate without fainting in panic from Bush's witty repartee, it could be just the boost Kerry needs to win.

[kerryin2004]

18. I agree..

Kerry better prepare with some kind of great strategery or else he will be owned by shrub..

[Beausoleil]

20. Orwell was right

Ignorance IS strength. Especially when it comes to the Master Debater!

[wildeyed]

21. Bush is a powerful debater.

People call him stupid, but really, he is crazy like a fox. He WANTS you to think he is stupid, then he pounces. He has that 'folksy' manner that people relate to plus he is really good at condensing a topic to it's essence and presenting it in back and white terms, easily understandable to the average voter. John Kerry is too nuanced, too patrician in his manner. I am really afraid that Bush will mop the floor with him. :scared:

[dogtag]

22. When he starts to babble, they'll

say he's speaking in tongues. Hallelujah!!!!

[TrustingDog]

26. I hope he pulls a 'freeance, peeance' thangy...

I'm going over some of the transcripts from 2000 and surprisingly he seems able to make complete sentences and communicate fairly clearly on a range of topics.

What I think will not be in his favour this time around is that the wide range of topics will be narrowed down to terrierism and Iraq - so he'll end up repeating the same mantra over and over.

==
MODERATOR: Should the people of the world look at the United States, Governor, and say, should they fear us, should they welcome our involvement, should they see us as a friend, everybody in the world? How would you project us around the world, as president?

BUSH: Well, I think they ought to look at us as a country that understands freedom where it doesn't matter who you are or how you're raised or where you're from, that you can succeed. I don't think they'll look at us with envy. It really depends upon how our nation conducts itself in foreign policy. If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, but strong, they'll welcome us. And it's -- our nation stands alone right now in the world in terms of power, and that's why we have to be humble. And yet project strength in a way that promotes freedom. So I don't think they ought to look at us in any way other than what we are. We're a freedom-loving nation and if we're an arrogant nation they'll view us that way, but if we're a humble nation they'll respect us.
==
guess he ditched the 'humble' approach.

[AgadorSparticus]

25. get someone else to do it for him?

:think: :)

[TrustingDog]

27. for those who saw the 2000 debates... did Bush...

make those frequent pauses like he does now - waiting on his earpiece feed? heh.

[AmerDem]

29. shrub is a Excellent debater.

put away his utter ineptness, his almost retarded way at looking the world, his inarticulate manner in phrasing. shrub is a MASTER DEBATER ( not just a masturbater ). He has shown over and over again his great knack for rigging election , ooohh I mean, winning debates. Kerry should fear this deep thinking well organized mind ( not just a mind fart )come Thursday!:scared:

[TexasSissy]

30. He is pretty good.

He's wrong on the facts often, but the public doesn't know that! He's confident, smirky, uses one-liners and quips, appears at ease and natural. He uses small words and to-the-point sentences that the public will understand and remember. His base loves that, as well as a few others.

Sometimes it doesn't matter what you know - it's that you ACT like you know. He came off better than Gore in maybe two of the 3 debates in 2000, IMO, even though Gore was more in tune with the facts.

I wouldn't "misunderestimate" his debating skills.