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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:34 PM
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I'm so sick of the Bush is doing well with women meme
I'm watching Bill Moyers NOW and they're talking this security mom crap.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:35 PM
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1. I'm sick of the "Bush is doing well...period" meme.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:37 PM
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2. I hope Moyers isn't pushing that
meme?
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:40 PM
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3. Think about how all...
... the sensible women feel.... :wow:
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:40 PM
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4. I'm with you 100% on this. Load of crappola.
When I saw Elizabeth Edwards last December, she said, "No thinking woman would support George Bush."

And I think that is true today. And frankly, who discovered "security moms"??? Who are these women? I know none of them.

And if they exist, why do I think they live in parts of the country that having nothing to fear from the Middle East variety of terrorist, but everything to fear from the home-grown militia variety of terrorist?

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Kurt Remarque Donating Member (709 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:49 PM
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6. yep. the "security mom" concept is baffling.
we need a kerry-friendly replacement
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:44 PM
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5. W is for
:wtf:

I suppose, because I don't have children, I don't count. But this woman thinks the "bush is doing well with women" meme frankly only applies to pubic hair. (Sorry.)
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:51 PM
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7. Security mom = Stepford mom
but not as cute.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:52 PM
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8. Moyers is? I'm disappointed.
If you spread enough propaganda, they will believe you. Don't despair. I spent three and a half hours with my husband today at a medical clinic. I talked to various people, while he was being looked to. Both patients and staff and everyone I talked to believes, a) Bush is an idiot, b) Bush has to go, c) we have to save our country from these asses.

I was reading our own DUer Paul Thompson's "The Terror Timeline". I picked up the last copy at B & N while I was waiting for my husband to get out of surgery earlier today. After I took him to the clinic for post operative therapy, I was reading the book and people were coming and asking me about it.

I read just little excerpts from the first part, which is what started these conversations with other family, patients and staff. I don't know who these clueless moms are but I think if someone opens some dialogue with them and can back it up with some facts, they are easily persuaded that Bush is not to be trusted.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:54 PM
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9. Apparently, those women are repubs that Rove was afraid of losing...
The tactic was taught at a GOP seminar. This post of Digby's has embedded links to the articles he mentions here: (note that the last p'graph predicts a CBS poll that reverses Bush gains)

Security Spin

As I watched Judy Woodruff go on and on yesterday about the alleged Security Moms and how they are abandoning the Democrats in favor of that handsome hunk of manhood, Crusader Codpiece, I was reminded of the interesting piece that Matt Stoller wrote during the RNC on the subject.

This "security mom" story is a campaign tactic to keep Republican women in the fold. The bogus polls gave them cover to make their appeal based upon a two-faced premise that they were already busting the gender gap open. Attractive housewives have been popping up all over television to discuss "their issues" and make the case for Junior as their security teddy bear.

Here's what Matt reported from a GOP training seminar for women at the GOP convention:


"The Bush campaign is not anywhere in the hemisphere of where these women are…" Leslie Sanchez, political analyst for Bush/Cheney

I spent three and a half hours in a training session for grassroots leaders of the GOP, hosted by GOPAC, Newt Gingrich's group that led the Republican Congressional takeover in 1994. ...the most interesting part of the day was a presentation by Leslie Sanchez, Bush/Cheney advisor and frequent commentator on MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN, on how to win women voters. According to Sanchez, women voters make up the majority of registered voters in every battleground state, and they are angst-ridden, scared, tolerant, cynical, distrusting, and want and fear change. They are also the key to this election.


In 2000, there was an eleven point gender gap in terms of Republican support for women. Women are more often registered to vote, they are usually registered independent, and Republican women - who tend to be married - are voting increasingly for Democrats. The model is that they first vote for a Democratic female, and then start voting for Democratic candidates in general. This trend is worrisome to Republicans. The target for the Bush campaign this year is married women with high religiosity, women who voted for Bush in 2000 and value their family's safety.

<...>

The bottom line here is that the President's messaging strategy so far has been a failure with women, and women will decide this election. This Convention is an attempt to fix this political problem, but the only real solution is to scare women into voting for him, because Bush has no real successes that he can credibly point to (and that women believe).


In other words, the "security mom" is actually a Republican who Rove is fearful of losing, not a Democrat who is drifting to the Republicans. As usual, the media got seriously spun.

Noam Scheiber does some fact checking in an interesting article in TNR today:


Indeed, just about the only evidence you can find in support of the security mom proposition comes from the New York Times/CBS poll. A Times/CBS poll conducted September 12-16 found that Bush gained 14 points relative to Kerry among women since mid-August, but a mere four points relative to men (itself a highly dubious proposition), which would have narrowed the gender gap substantially. When I asked CBS polling director Kathy Frankovic about this, her response was sheepish. "I attribute it to short-term/long-term" differences, she said. In any case, Frankovic was quick to add, CBS had just finished another poll, which showed a return of the "gender gap one would expect."


Ruy Texeira runs the numbers.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:56 PM
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10. they love that tough talk`n texan
and what`s not to love? really... he`s the perfect tough guy mommy`s boy....
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