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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 09:09 PM
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Stronger hurricanes are exactly what was predicted as a result of Global
Warming.

Anyone who votes for Bush, who had the Global Warming part of the EPA report deleted and has approved tons of new coal plants, etc. etc. IS SUICIDAL.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 09:30 PM
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1. We need a link.
There's nothing that I've seen that definitively links the two. But it would be a coup for environmentalist if such a thing has been predicted.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 09:49 PM
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2. Here's one:

Global Warming May Spawn More Super-Storms
by Stephen Leahy



"Global warming is creating conditions that are more favorable for hurricanes to develop and be more severe," said Trenberth.

Will that result in more Category 4 or 5 storms like Ivan?

"That's the logical conclusion, although it may be somewhat controversial," he said.

Before it struck Cuba a glancing blow, Ivan was a Category 5 on the Saffir-Simpson scale, which rates hurricanes from 1 to 5 according to wind speeds and destructive potential. Category 5 hurricanes have winds that blow continuously above 250 kilometers an hour. Ivan's gusts topped 320 kilometers an hour at times, making it the sixth most powerful hurricane on record for the Atlantic Basin.

More: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0921-01.htm
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 09:51 PM
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3. Nother ONe

More fierce hurricanes may loom on horizon
By Michael Coren
CNN


Monday, September 6, 2004 Posted: 7:20 AM EDT (1120 GMT)

(CNN) -- Hurricane Frances may only be the first in a series of large, powerful storms to march across the Atlantic in coming years.

The arrival of hurricanes like Charley and Frances within weeks of each other is an anomaly, but some meteorologists say more storms like Frances -- both very intense and very large -- are possible.

"Over the past few years, we've seen an increasing trend toward greater activity in the Atlantic Basin and increased strength in storms," said Marshall Shepherd, a research meteorologist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center. " has been leading us to believe that we are going to start seeing more intense hurricanes. That may be bearing itself out right now."

A combination of natural cycles and warming ocean temperatures from global warming may be fueling the destructive storms. Scientists like Shepherd employ an array of satellites, aircraft and computer models to answer those questions in their mission to comprehend the Earth's climate.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/09/03/hurricane.science.cnn.ap/

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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 09:58 PM
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4. And another one--experts before the Senate this time:

Global Warming May Spur Fiercer Hurricanes - Experts
By Christopher Doering


Wed 15 September, 2004 21:28

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - As Hurricane Ivan and its powerful winds churned through the Gulf of Mexico, scientists told Congress on Wednesday that global warming could produce stronger and more destructive hurricanes in the future.

Global warming will increase the temperature of ocean water that fuels hurricanes, leading to stronger winds, heavier rains and larger storm surges, the researchers told the Senate Commerce Committee.

-snip-

The Republican-led panel heard testimony from several scientists who said emissions known as greenhouse gases were gradually raising the earth's temperature and would contribute to more extreme weather including flooding, drought and changing storm patterns.

"Warmer water temperatures will promote more intense tropical storms, but not necessarily make the frequency of those storms greater," said Dan Cayan, a research meteorologist at the University of California in San Diego.

-snip-

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=6247149§ion=news
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 10:19 PM
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5. Basically the corporatists have phony institutes and conservative
Edited on Sat Sep-25-04 10:20 PM by Dems Will Win
scientists somehow indebted to corporate grants or consulting contracts, who spew nonsense about climate change and say it's science. For example, in the following article, among the corporatist scientists saying hurricanes are reduced by global warming is a certain Gary Sharp of the fictitious Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study. THis insane study compares 1990-1998 with other decades which is ridiculous because the current cycle of more hurricanes started in 1995, completely negating the validity of the reduction claim! They are only putting 3 years of the heavy cycle into their chart. This is typical of how the oil companies fudge the data. After all they have a lot of money at stake.

-snip-

"We suggest that natural variability of storminess is the cause of Florida's recent hurricane disasters. In such times there is an emotional tendency to pin blame somewhere," they wrote.

The scientists who generated that letter included Dr James O'Brien, professor of meteorology & oceanography at the Center for Ocean-Atmospheric Prediction Studies at Florida State University; Dr Gary Sharp, scientific director at the Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study; Dr Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri - Columbia; Dr David Legates, associate professor of climatology at the University of Delaware; and George Taylor, Oregon State climatologist.

George Taylor's perspective is outlined more completely in a piece on Tech Central Station, in which he says the "busy hurricane year in the Atlantic" has nothing to do with global warming.





Mr Taylor shows through a chart based on data from the National Hurricane Center that hurricanes have decreased, generally, over time -- and that, on balance, they are certainly not getting any stronger.

-snip-

http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=10203&cid=3&cname=Technology

It turns out Gary Sharp is a biology expert, a tuna expert! There are so few scientists willing to make this stuff up for the corporations, they have to come up with characters like Gary Sharp.

http://sharpgary.org/Resume.html

No doubt the guys in the real universities have fat corporate research grants to keep them quiet. This is just more Corporatist PR mind-control. Don't let them hypnotize you with the swirling BS.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:47 AM
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6. kick
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:52 AM
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7. Whether global warming is the cause
(too early to say)

Or whether a natural cycle is augmented by warming (likely)...

Or whether this is a 'normal' cycle, it is still horrific...

I once again have to bite my nails for my family and my house in FL...


Much empathy goes out to our Florida friends...
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 09:17 AM
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9. The conclusion is simple

IF YOU WANT STRONGER HURRICANES, VOTE FOR BUSH, CHENEY AND BIG OIL

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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 01:28 PM
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