Could This Be - CIA May Be Behind Beheadings?!

[jackieforthedems]

Over at abovetopsecret.com I came across this: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread49971/pg1 Could it be that the CIA may be behind all the beheadings?! I hope not! Gosh, that's a scary thought!:wow:

[hlthe2b]

1. Why? What would the motive be?

[Liberal Gramma]

3. To justify the war

In every war the enemy is demonized. It helps to sustain the sheeple
who then feel they have god and right on their side. Usually it's not used quite so cynically by the government.

[jackieforthedems]

7. They Are Saying Something About

Psy-Op

[tom_paine]

24. Some very emotional Pravda to keep the fear whipped up

It also might be real, but in a Totalitarian Nation Awash in Lies, such as Imperial Amerika, how could you tell the difference?

[leesa]

28. Are you serious? The motive is to feed the anti-Muslim frenzy. Why would

people want to go out and murder innocent Muslims if they weren't demonized as barbaric.

Remember the first one where there was no blood coming out of the corpse as it was beheaded? The guy that had been in US custody.

[hlthe2b]

30. That makes the assumption that the CIA is activelly working to

further Bush*/Neocon's agenda. Given all that had transpired and indications that at least some CIA were retaliating against the Bushies*, obstructing, or at least not making things easy for them, this seems hard to reconcile... I am not naive enough to discount the possibility, but I'm not sure it all adds up.

[starroute]

31. Xymphora suggests it's to drive Iraq into civil war

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004/09/simona-torretta-and-breakup-of-iraq.html

There is excellent conspiracy theory in this article by Naomi Klein and Jeremy Scahill in the Guardian on the many reasons why the kidnapping of the two Italian women in Iraq cannot possibly be by the Iraqi resistance. They point to the theory that the kidnappings were by foreign intelligence agencies out to discredit the resistance. What possible reason would an intelligence agency have to further discredit the Iraqi resistance? Hasn't it been discredited enough already? ... When the coverage is so biased that it amounts to lies, why would anybody have to stage a kidnapping to further defame the resistance?

The most obvious reason for such a kidnapping is to sow further discord within Iraq itself, leading to the final goal of breaking the country into little, inconsequential, and unthreatening, pieces. It is part of the policy of anarchy consisting of assassinations of academic and cultural leaders, failure to fund promised reconstruction of the fabric of Iraqi civil society, forcing out of foreign aid workers, and completely unprovoked attacks on civilian populations with the excuse of hunting 'terrorists'. It is not surprisingly very similar to the campaign being waged against the Palestinian people. We are now seeing a flurry of reports from 'experts' which suggest that this breakup is inevitable. These reports are part of the campaign to create the breakup. In which country's interest is the destruction of Iraq desirable?

Xymphora's conclusion that Israel is the only player on the scene with an interest in sowing chaos is going to be unpalatable to a lot of people. But on the basis of "cui bono," it's hard to think of anybody else who might have an interest in the complete breakdown of Iraqi society -- certainly not the Iraqi resistance and not even the Americans.

Even if that conclusion isn't true, it's going to be hard to argue against it in the Islamic world. The Israelis spent a lot of years cultivating a reputation as the ultimate bad-asses, as a way of warding off any future Holocausts, and that reputation is coming back to bite them now.

[coloradodem2005]

2. We had similar thoughts about Nick Berg.

Didn't we think the administration was behind them then?

[merh]

4. I still think the government was behind the Berg beheading.

Either it was the CIA or paid assasins (private contractors).
I wouldn't put it past our government to be involved in the recent beheadings. They must keep Americans involved, they must maintain the hate for the evil people in Iraq.

[MrPrax]

29. Why private contractors?

The Admin. (Rummy and Wolf) established a clandestine group called Joint Task Force-121 ('manhunters') that have been operating Iraq well before the war...

One can only imagine where ultimate authority for this SpecOps groups lies and what it's mandate it suppose to be...

It's stated cover was 'looking for WMDs' and the Most Wanted Iraqis from the Big Old Deck of Cards...

But since there were no WMDs and a lot of those Ba'athists have been captured and rehabilitated, one wonders what they really do...

An elite guard answerable ONLY to the Office of Special Plans one would presume...which of course spends most of it's time in 'propaganda' efforts against the American people and others...

these could be 'false flags' ops designed to make the Home Front
a) view the war from a visceral level, not a rational level
b) dehumanize/homogenize the enemy/Arab/Muslim and undermine any legitmacy of the 'occupied' demands
c) to make it impossible on the 'American Street' to take a moderating position reflective of International Law

If you notice, the West has a ignoble history of ascribing acts of brutal barbarism to the 'Infidels'while of course providing only a modest 'religious' veil to our own barbarism.

Also have you noticed how many times Bush refers to the 'beheadings' in his speeches lately--he does so as often as mentioning the preposterousness of the war being the result of 'foreign terrorists'

The other thing that anyone should keep in mind--is there anything the Admin has said about Iraq that is even correct?

I can't think of a single thing, whether it be small policy or large, that hasn't been either produced by 'spin', shown to be an utter fabrication, something despicable that needed cover-up or simple baseline incompetency...

Can you?

[merh]

39. No, I cannot think of one thing that this admin has be honest about

regarding the Iraq war or any other facet of its operations. The private contractors performing the beheading is just a possibility as they would insulate the admin should it be discovered that they did the be-headings. It would be like the fellow in Afghanistan that claims Rummey hired him, the admin just says he is a crazy private citizen trying to profit from the horrible events in Afghanistan. Private contractors would insulate the admin.

[Tempest]

5. Compare Berg video with Armstrong video

Armstrong is begging for his life, screams while being killed and there is blood everywhere.

Berg is completely stationary, doesn't beg, makes no sound while being killed and there's no blood.


It's obvious Berg was already dead.

The first question is, why would the terrorists behead an already dead man when they know they can go out and get a live one?

The second question is, would the CIA behead an already dead man for psyops purposes?

The answers are clear as day, IMHO.

[SeekingTruth]

16. This is not true...

If you go back and look at the Berg video you can see blood pooling. I have watched it numerous times. The video image is of poor quality. Also, if you do watch closely you can see Berg move and hear him as well.

[maveric]

40. Ther ws hardly any blood on the Berg video. I've watched that one

several times. If the carotid artery is severed, blood would spray ot with great pressure. Plus the Berg video was stopped at the point when the captors attack him and put him on the floor. The video starts up again, with the timestamp 11 hours later, and different captors in different position over what seemed life a lifeless or drugged body.
There was hardly any blood. Did we see the same video?

[JudasBetrays]

26. Berg was drugged

and he did make sounds.

[SeekingTruth]

34. I think you might be right about the drugging...

there is another clip of a beheading that involves Russians. The man being beheaded is just sitting on the ground and barely moves through the entire thing. You can see him blink and tell he is alive but it is remarkable for what he does not do.

For all we know, Berg might have been fighting like hell prior to the filming, causing them to drug him (I hope he was and that he was able to tag one of those despicable bastards)...

[JudasBetrays]

37. I have heard that for the most part they do drug them..

But I think for the video maybe they need the person coherent sometimes to a reaction...

In my opinion they do this beheading crap so people will start rumors like maybe the CIA did it...they want us to blame the administration.....these Terrorists do not like Bush...that is for sure....

I just don't understand why we don't bargain a little....I know everyone says if you do that they will keep beheading people.....or threatening to...but I just can't fathom someone having to die like that.....it hurts me....it makes me hate those Bastards.....

[Tempest]

6. Maybe not the CIA, but very possibly Negroponte

Negroponte used torture, death and terrorism in Central America while executing Reagan's Central American policies.

Negroponte created the rightwing death squads in Central America.

It's quite possible, and even probable, he's picked up where he left off.

[underseasurveyor]

11. Knowing that slimes bloody history in SA

I had a feeling when they appointed him to Iraq the killings would soon begin. It wasn't long after that Nick was killed and the beheadings begun. What a great way to stir more hatred in America towards the Iraqi's. The war drums just keep on beating louder.

[Tempest]

13. Yup, the timing is hard to brush away

I've been following Negroponte's actions since he landed in Baghdad, and the timing of Berg's beheading and the rise in violence against the Iraqi people (non-insurgent caused) is unmistakable.

[sffreeways]

8. It's entirely possible

Beheadings are routine in the radically religious places in the ME like Saudi Arabia. I don't know that the Bathist regime used beheadings as punishment.

Since the reason for the murders this time are a demand that all of the female prisoners be released something seems odd.

These killers know by now that the governments they are threatening and making demands of aren't going to negotiate or meet their demands so why do this ? It makes little sense. Why don't they just take these people into their custody and behead them without the ridiculous demands that they know are not going to be met ? If it's to terrorize it doesn't effect anyone in the US. So people view them on the internet they aren't being shown on national television you have to go to a web site to view them. That's what gives me a reason to suspect these have another intended effect. These killings are not making people that are intent on staying there leave either. The only effect they have is to inflame the anger. That's it. It's Psyops if you ask me.

The effect is obvious even to the terrorists. It only serves to infuriate the populations of the victims countries. That's why I think it could very well be the government. The government is the only beneficiary.

[jackieforthedems]

10. But Don't They Usually Use

like a machette ( not sure if I spelled that right )? In the "Fahrenheit 9-11" movie, they showed a beheading in black and white video done right on a street curb - it seemed to only take 2 big, fast chops.

[sffreeways]

12. A good observation

they are making these killings as brutal as possible. The obvious intent is to shock the viewer into an emotional response not to have their demands met. So why not just grab the victims and behead them without the demands. It's the demand that makes them suspect.

edited for typos

[Inulro]

9. Possibly

It wouldn't surprise me. CIA and/or Mossad. The whole Nick Berg thing seems to suggest so. The Italian girls who were kidnapped is also suspect. Every beheading is another justification for the war. So I could see the motive.
However, the insurgents will cut your head off. If you can't prove to them benign intentions for being there. Check out this interview of Scott Taylor the Canadian journalist who barely got out with his head---- http://www.antiwar.com/deliso/?articleid=3606

[aaronbees]

14. Great interview ...

with Scott Taylor ... good portrait of the insanity we helped to create.

[NJCher]

25. what a story!

That was a cliffhanger. It seems as though they are very sadistic, enjoying the power they had over his life. They passed him around like he was a joint at a party.


Cher

[951]

15. But its obviously backfiring on them because most people

1. Don't watch the videos
2. After watching the video they want our people of iraq or don't want to go into iraq.

[Judi Lynn]

17. There's a history of psyops going back to the 1950's of use of murder

simply to scare the holy bejeezus out of a target group:

"Back in the 1950s, during the rebellion in the Philippines, U.S. Air Force General Edward Lansdale, then head of CIA PsyOps in the islands, used the legend of Philippine vampires to chase the Huk rebels from their various areas of operation. The asuag, or Philippine vampire, struck terror in the hearts of the superstitious population, a fact exploited by the CIA. When a Huk patrol would pass by, the last member of the patrol was silently captured, and then killed. Two holes were punctured in the Huk's neck, and he was hung upside down to drain the blood from his body. The corpse would then be left where it would be found by his comrades - a victim of the vampire." W. Adam Mandelbaum, from: The Psychic Battlefield
(snip)

http://www.lkwdpl.org/wildideas/propaganda.html


Brig. Gen. Edward Lansdale

[Disturbed]

18. The Insurgents?

Who are the insurgents?

Former Baathists, Republican Gaurds, Feydheen, al Q., foreign fighters, al Sadr Malitia?

All of the above?

Al Sadr has condemned the beheadings several times.

I feel that some of the beheadings were hired out by either the CIA or the Mosad, esp. Nick Berg's. I have heard many Right Wingers on TV mention that the "Prison Abuse" aka Torture at least wasn't as bad as beheadings. The beheadings don't benefit the anti-Occupation groups anywhere. They discourage foreign businesses in Iraq. Seems that this is the only outcome.

[Judi Lynn]

19. Found a quick biography of Edward Lansdale. He was also in the CIA

You will see this guy, would have been capable of ANYTHING. The article says In 1963 Lansdale was awarded the Distinguished Service Medal for counter-insurgency work .

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/COLDlansdale.htm

This was a pattern they've been following since so long ago. God only knows if there's anything they would refuse to do now. I seriously doubt they would hesitate to behead any number of people just to scare voters into submission!

[SomthingsGotaGive]

20. I only ask this....

Why was the kidnapping of a Canadian woman in Baghdad kept secret from the world until her release 16 days later.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/93-09232004-370812.html

FALLUJAH, Iraq - A militant group said Thursday it had released a Canadian hostage, claiming that her company had met its demand to withdraw from Iraq.

The group, calling itself The Brigades of the Victorious Lion of God, said Fairuz Yamulky worked for a firm that provided equipment for several U.S. bases.

The Canadian government on Thursday confirmed the release of Yamulky, the chief operating officer for GSF Cement and Sand Company. Yamulky's release. There was no immediate confirmation of whether her company had agreed to leave Iraq.



http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/09/23/640945-cp.html


Prime Minister Paul Martin confirmed Fairuz Yamulky's release on Wednesday after a Chicago newspaper reported that she had been picked up by a U.S. Black Hawk combat helicopter Tuesday night.

snip

While Martin thanked U.S. officials for securing the release of the hostage, another sister of the victim accused Ottawa of not doing enough.




In my opinion the U.S. wouldn't be negotiating the release of a Canadian women that worked for a company willing to withdraw from Iraq.

I find it strange that the U.S. Military can 'rescue' a Canadian woman using black hawk helicopters but can't seem to free any of their own.

As I type this a British Hostage is still being kept alive for some inexplicable reason while his two American co-captives were executed last week.

Perhaps the sensibilities are different in the U.K.. Perhaps a fright would bolster support but an actual execution might tip Tony B's scales in the wrong direction.


:tinfoilhat:

[illuminaughty]

21. Here is some nice info on kidnapping of Italian women

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/16/147249

This one definitely seems to be of our doing.

But I've always thought the beheadings were psy-ops. At least some of them.

[Voldermoritst]

22. poss

that is quite possible...... they've been behind other things.

[laylah]

23. While I don't know if it is...

the CIA, I do know that in the pictures of the beheadings since Berg, the perps are all covered, to include their hands. In the Berg video, one of the murderers had white hands and a ring and stood in a military stance...:tinfoilhat:

Jenn

[Beam Me Up]

27. At this point I assume most ALL "news" is Psy-Op and we are the target

There is NO "WAR ON TERRORISM".

It would be really really nice if enough people woke up out of the media induced trance to finally GET IT.

The "war that will not end in our life time" is NOT a war on "terrorism." That way of thinking is simply INSANE. What there is, is a war for the Earth's last remaining hydrocarbon reserves: oil and natural gas.

If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend "The End of Suburbia." Although far less overtly political, this film has as great an impact, if not far more profound an impact, than ƒ 9/11, Uncovered, Outfoxed and Hijacking Catastrophy BECAUSE it puts everything in perspective. We are rapidly approaching the end of the age of oil; the END OF GLOBALIZATION.

I have no stake in this enterprise but I highly recommend it. Anyone who can't afford a copy, pvt me.

More info here:

http://www.endofsuburbia.com/catalog.htm

MY MOTTO: Who ever controls your perception of reality controls YOU.

Edit to add this excerpt from a 2002 article, apparently no longer on line:

By allying itself with the business community, the CIA received the funds and ability it needed to remove itself from democratic control.

The Media

Journalism is a perfect cover for CIA agents. People talk freely to journalists, and few think suspiciously of a journalist aggressively searching for information. Journalists also have power, influence and clout. Not surprisingly, the CIA began a mission in the late 1940s to recruit American journalists on a wide scale, a mission it dubbed Operation MOCKINGBIRD. The agency wanted these journalists not only to relay any sensitive information they discovered, but also to write anti-communist, pro-capitalist propaganda when needed.

The instigators of MOCKINGBIRD were Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham. Graham was the husband of Katherine Graham, today's publisher of the Washington Post. In fact, it was the Post's ties to the CIA that allowed it to grow so quickly after the war, both in readership and influence. (8)

MOCKINGBIRD was extraordinarily successful. In no time, the agency had recruited at least 25 media organizations to disseminate CIA propaganda. At least 400 journalists would eventually join the CIA payroll, according to the CIA's testimony before a stunned Church Committee in 1975. (The committee felt the true number was considerably higher.) The names of those recruited reads like a Who's Who of journalism:

Philip and Katharine Graham (Publishers, Washington Post) William Paley (President, CBS) Henry Luce (Publisher, Time and Life magazine) Arthur Hays Sulzberger (Publisher, N.Y. Times) Jerry O'Leary (Washington Star) Hal Hendrix (Pulitzer Prize winner, Miami News) Barry Bingham Sr., (Louisville Courier-Journal) James Copley (Copley News Services) Joseph Harrison (Editor, Christian Science Monitor) C.D. Jackson (Fortune) Walter Pincus (Reporter, Washington Post) ABC NBC Associated Press United Press International Reuters Hearst Newspapers Scripps-Howard Newsweek magazine Mutual Broadcasting System Miami Herald Old Saturday Evening Post New York Herald-Tribune Perhaps no newspaper is more important to the CIA than the Washington Post, one of the nation's most right-wing dailies. Its location in the nation's capitol enables the paper to maintain valuable personal contacts with leading intelligence, political and business figures. Unlike other newspapers, the Post operates its own bureaus around the world, rather than relying on AP wire services. Owner Philip Graham was a military intelligence officer in World War II, and later became close friends with CIA figures like Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Desmond FitzGerald and Richard Helms. He inherited the Post by marrying Katherine Graham, whose father owned it.

After Philip's suicide in 1963, Katharine Graham took over the Post. Seduced by her husband's world of government and espionage, she expanded her newspaper's relationship with the CIA. In a 1988 speech before CIA officials at Langley, Virginia, she stated:

We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things that the general public does not need to know and shouldn't. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows. This quote has since become a classic among CIA critics for its belittlement of democracy and its admission that there is a political agenda behind the Post's headlines.

Ben Bradlee was the Post's managing editor during most of the Cold War. He worked in the U.S. Paris embassy from 1951 to 1953, where he followed orders by the CIA station chief to place propaganda in the European press. (9) Most Americans incorrectly believe that Bradlee personifies the liberal slant of the Post, given his role in publishing the Pentagon Papers and the Watergate investigations. But neither of these two incidents are what they seem. The Post merely published the Pentagon Papers after The New York Times already had, because it wanted to appear competitive. As for Watergate, we'll examine the CIA's reasons for wanting to bring down Nixon in a moment. Someone once asked Bradlee: "Does it irk you when The Washington Post is made out to be a bastion of slanted liberal thinkers instead of champion journalists just because of Watergate?" Bradlee responded: "Damn right it does!" (10)

It would be impossible to elaborate in this short space even the most important examples of the CIA/media alliance. Sig Mickelson was a CIA asset the entire time he was president of CBS News from 1954 to 1961. Later he went on to become president of Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty, two major outlets of CIA propaganda.

The CIA also secretly bought or created its own media companies. It owned 40 percent of the Rome Daily American at a time when communists were threatening to win the Italian elections. Worse, the CIA has bought many domestic media companies. A prime example is Capital Cities, created in 1954 by CIA businessman William Casey (who would later become Reagan's CIA director). Another founder was Lowell Thomas, a close friend and business contact with CIA Director Allen Dulles. Another founder was CIA businessman Thomas Dewey. By 1985, Capital Cities had grown so powerful that it was able to buy an entire TV network: ABC.

For those who believe in "separation of press and state," the very idea that the CIA has secret propaganda outlets throughout the media is appalling. The reason why America was so oblivious to CIA crimes in the 40s and 50s was because the media willingly complied with the agency. Even today, when the immorality of the CIA should be an open- and-shut case, "debate" about the issue rages in the media. Here is but one example:

In 1996, The San Jose Mercury News published an investigative report suggesting that the CIA had sold crack in Los Angeles to fund the Contra war in Central America. A month later, three of the CIA's most important media allies — The Washington Post, The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times — immediately leveled their guns at the Mercury report and blasted away in an attempt to discredit it. Who wrote the Post article? Walter Pincus, longtime CIA journalist. The dangers here are obvious.

[AntiCoup2K4]

32. It was very clear in the Berg video that his killers were not Arabic

At least 2 of them were well over 6 ft tall. They had builds which suggested they spent a lot of time in a gym - or on steroids - or perhaps both, neither of which is likely if you're cave hopping all over the middle east. And the way they were standing was pure Rambo-WWE style posturing. The body language was "Look at me, I'm such a bad-ass", not "I am but a willing servant of Allah"

And let's not forget the great difficulty the "spokesterrorist" had in reading a letter that he himself would have supposedly written.

BTW it was further alleged that this "lead terra-ist" was Zarqawi himself. This would be highly unlikely, as he went from reading the letter, to pulling a machete out of his uniform, to tackling "Berg" on the floor all within about 10 seconds. That would be a remarkable physical feat for someone who would still be getting used to a prosthetic leg, and it's doubtful he would have been able to move that quickly.

And then there's the gap in the tape (11 hours, wasn't it?) between this scene and the actual beheading. What's up with that??

Like most things connected with this Fraudministration, the holes in the story are too many and too obvious to ignore.

[mopaul]

33. cowboys, dressed as indians, kill settlers & start indian slaughter

old movie western scenario #311B

[mitchum]

35. Count on it! The CIA is a longtime foe to democracy around the world

dirty, filthy spooks

[neebob]

36. It's something I don't want to believe but don't doubt, either

I'm always wondering, just like with 9/11. I want to believe it was just a horrible coincidence that they shamelessly took advantage of, but logic and experience tell me they knew it was going to happen and did nothing so they could take advantage of it. So that's what I do believe. Other things I've read suggesting it was more than that - some of which are rather compelling, taken together - just sort of sit in the back of my mind, reminding me it's possible they engineered and executed the whole thing.

Same deal with the beheadings. I don't want to believe anyone in or associated with the government is behind them, but I don't doubt it. People who would allow 3,000 people to die so they could start a war or even people who would use the deaths as an excuse to start a war would do just about anything. Bet your butt they would hire some guys to round up a few contractors, cut their heads off, videotape it, and post it on an Islamic website just to keep their fake war on terror going. Or if they wouldn't, they have friends who would. And they know people who enjoy doing that kind of thing. They're called psychopaths, and they're not in short supply. Dirty deeds done dirt cheap.

The similarities in the beheadings alone are enough to make one wonder.

In the end, either way, I have to blame Bushco for creating the conditions for the beheadings to occur.

[jackieforthedems]

38. Some Additional Links To Think About

http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm and http://www.policestate21.com/