Just talked to Mike Ruppert for about an hour at a Peak Oil event.

[Peak_Oil]

Among his bombshells:

1. Peak Oil in '05. Massive economic shitstorm this coming year.

2. US behind the Chechneyan school thing. Specifically CIA. Didn't get too far on this one, he's not revealing his sources.

3. Nat Gas dropping off a cliff with a cold winter this year or a hot summer next year.

4. Bush, after reelection, gets impeached over the Plame affair. (go Nader)

What else we got. Oh, one of Ahnold's energy engineers was in attendance. He said that he thinks hydrogen fuelled cars will be in production and operation within 2-3 generations. Not years, not decades folks, but GENERATIONS.

[tedoll78]

1. Did he say anything about..

whether or not the Peak Oil landing will be soft or hard?

If it's hard, I am SCREWED. Totally unprepared. Don't own land or a home. Thousands of dollars of student loan debt, and no graduation until next August.

But if it's a bit softer, I can grab a job soon after graduation and start preparing as best as possible..

The prospect of Peak coming so soon is scary. But they've tried to warn us..

[Peak_Oil]

5. He didn't say.

Don't know about that. He did say massive economic meltdown in 05, so according to his work, that whole job idea is going to be interesting.

[FloridaPat]

Bushco has pulled out all the stops to get the economy where it is

today - which is not great. After the election, all that hot air is going to disappear.

[serryjw]

6. Working class people.......

need to get out of the burbs quickly! I live in D/T Denver and have no car. It's a pain but I can get around on the bus......and walk to my job!

I agree on the Bushit impeachment over Plame..I have read this before.

[radwriter0555]

23. Why won't Ruppert debate with Dave McGowan?

Hmmm......

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com

[leesa]

24. Peak oil is a massive problem, not a recession

It is about complete economic failure, not economic blips. Most everything done in the US is dependent on oil...manufacturing, food production, power production, plastics, all of it is fully dependent on oil

[radwriter0555]

34. Peak oil is a hoax.

That's why Ruppert won't debate McGowan on it.

"The Club of Rome, a non-profit global think tank, said in the 1970s that we'd hit peak oil in 2003. It didn't happen." So said Kevin Kelleher, writing for Popular Science magazine in August of this year. But it did indeed happen, according to Michael Ruppert and his band of resident 'experts,' who collectively insist that the planet is now at the point of 'peak' oil production.
(Kevin Kelleher "How Long Will the Oil Age Last?" Popular Science, August 2004)


It appears then that today's 'Peak Oil' crowd has some pages in their propaganda playbook that were lifted directly from the Club of Rome, which raises the obvious question: what exactly is the Club of Rome? Who is it that has handed Michael Ruppert and company the baton? The initial membership list of the Club of Rome, as it turns out, contains some interesting names:
David Rockefeller: Bilderberger, cofounder of the Trilateral Commission, former chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations, scion of the world's most prominent oil dynasty, and all-around bad guy.
John J. McCloy: Former advisor to the Mussolini regime who had the honor of sitting in Adolf Hitler's private box at the Berlin Olympic games; later served as High Commissioner of Germany, during which time he signed an order freeing the majority of the Nazi war criminals that had been convicted at Nuremberg; still later, served on the infamous Warren Committee.

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr64.html

When 'Peak Oil' Met The 'West Nile Virus'
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr66.html
In fact the coalition that is pushing for a radical new energy policy is largely composed of those who stand to benefit from a revival, not a phase out, of oil and gas development.
<snip>
"This much is known, Kenneth Deffeyes writes, "the loudest warnings about the predicted peak of world oil production came from Petroconsultants." In a late 1998 merger Petroconsultants became IHS Energy Group, a subsidiary of Information Handling Services Group (IHS Group), a diversified conglomerate owned by Holland America Investment Corp., IHS Group's immediate parent company, for the Thyssen-Bornemisza Group (TBG, Inc.). In the 1920s George Herbert Walker and his son-in-law, Prescott Bush, had helped the Thyssen dynasty finance its acquisitions through Union Banking Corp. and Holland-American Trading Corp.
<snip>
ASPO has Associate members like Halliburton and financial sponsors like Schlumberger.
<snip>


ASPO, of course, is the Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas, a group relentlessly promoted by the 'Peak Oil' crowd. Schlumberger has been described by Ruppert himself as the "world's premier oil drilling firm." And I think we all know who Halliburton is ... I mean, besides being a bedmate of the 'Peak Oil' promoters.

Sheasby had much more to say in his article and anyone who has not yet read it should definitely do so. Especially now that he's dead ... struck down by a nonexistent virus less than a year after exposing a massive scam known as 'Peak Oil.' Hmmm ....

Peak oil is a hoax.

[merh]

37. Interesting links, thank you.

I believe we are too dependent on oil. That is a given. I believe that we have problems relative to our dependency and the supply.

I fear that the "Peak Oil" fears are on the same level as the "war on terror" and are put forth in an effort to make us take drastic measures to drill in protected regions so that the oil tycoons can continue to profit, but make their profits at home.

Kerry has said that he will see to it that alternative sources of energy are pursued and that our dependency on oil is stopped. He knows personally how the drive for oil has killed thousands (Vietnam) and he sees the connection between the Iraq war and the thirst for riches by controlling oil.

I just think the "Peak Oil" is part of their game to continue to terrorize us to give up our rights and our protected reserves. (IMHO)

[Beam Me Up]

40. "Peak oil is a hoax." Ok, I'll nibble. WHY do you say that?

If peak oil is a hoax, what explanation do you have for what the hell is going on? Why is an idiot in the White House? Why are ersatz terrorists doing kamikazes into symbols of US imperial might setting off fear and rage in the US population, allowing invasions wherein we establish corporate and military strongholds in middle eastern nations surrounding the Caspian basin? All this is just one big ruse for profit scam?

WHY BOTHER?

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[mhr]

3. Regular Peak Oil Student - Did Ruppert Say When This Would Hit

his website?

[Peak_Oil]

8. It's in his book.

.

[TexasBushwhacker]

4. Generations?

Well, it must be a he-man (as opposed to girlie-man) thing to have your head up your ass. They have prototype hydrogen fueled cars NOW. I think there's some pretty heavy pressure on Detroit to not move forward with them until we're down to our last drop of oil. PBS had a really good program on "future cars". You can read about it and watch 3 video clips here:

http://www.pbs.org/saf/1403/index.html

[merh]

7. If * is re-elected, he would not be impeached - the repukes

would have too much control and the Plame matter will go away.

* is not going to be reelected, so I give Mr. Ruppert's comments little if any credibility.

Also, Putan has already made references to the US's involvement in the Chechneyan school atrocity and has warned * to stop interfering. He reminded * that they still have nuclear weapons. Nothing new there.

[Peak_Oil]

10. Hey, that's what he said.

Who knows, though. Maybe we'll see the CIA disbanded under Homeland Security with the Secret Service in control. Really, it's all up in the air. We'll find out for sure in January though, won't we.

[merh]

19. and you didn't look at him a little confused and ask

"what do you mean the chimp re-elected?" If he said that, I don't give him any credibility at all.

[leesa]

25. So Bush is not going to be re-elected but the Republicans are going to

maintain control?? And this is your basis for determining Ruppert's credibility? Bizarre

[merh]

31. No, the basis of my comments regarding his credibility is the

outrageous statement of Ruppert. IF * wins re-election, there is no way that he would be impeached. Before his appointment, Goss opined that the Plame outing was not important and should not be investigated. He also tried to squelch the 9/11 investigation. Now that he has the job, just imagine how complicated and difficult he is going to make the investigations against this admin. If * wins, Goss keeps the job and interferes with any attempt to investigate * & C for anything regarding Plame or any other matter.

So it is not unusual or illogical for me to doubt the credbility of a a learned man with inside information who surely knows how this admin and the repuke congress have thwarted all investigations against them or adverse to their positions, given that said learned man has now made the incredulous comment that when * is re-elected he will be impeached. There is no way any further investigations into * and his admin will be pursued and the existing investigations will be quashed if * is re-elected and the repukes retain their control.

My comments are logical, his (regarding impeachment) are not only illogical, they our impossible. Thus I doubt his credibility. Actually, I think it was the most moronic prediction I have heard. IMHO, it would appear that he is trying to give folks an out to vote for * (don't worry you repukes that hate *, he will be impeached, we still have a shot to get a better repuke in office).

And the comment about the US involvement in the school atrocity is not news or any inside info, Putin's fears that the US was involved and his warnings to * were published in the press and the foreign press has had various articles on this. Do not tantilize with reports of new information that is not new in an attempt to make me think you are privy to information that is not public information. In a court of law, if he were on the stand, to challenge him on these two points would be sufficient to tarnish his credibility.

Of course, all of this is IMHO!

[Eloriel]

33. Bush wasn't elected the first time, and yet still holds that office

What makes you think this one can't be stolen -- with even MORE people voting on electronic voting machines, with 4 years to have worked on more vote suppression techniques than they used in FL the last time and take them all across the country?

[merh]

35. The possibilities are there and Kerry and his campaign know it

but that is not the issue relative to the stupid comment about impeachment when re-elected. If re-elected we are screwed. Repukes know how bad * is but they will not come out against him, they privately whisper their contempt and fears, but they will not go public. If he is re-elected or steals the election there is no way he will be impeached, he will have solidified his control of our government and no one will mess with him.

Steps are being taken to try to avert the stealing of the campaign. Voter turnout is vital and rather than making such a defeatist statement that when * is re-elected, the man should have said if * is re-elected but he should have said it is hoped that he will be impeached. No repuke will vote to impeach him, not now and not after he wins. That is the reality and Ruppert knows that so it was stupid for him to make such an outrageous and impossible statement.

[grasswire]

9. I just informed some relatives the other day...

....about the Peak Oil matter. They were absolutely stunned. I myself am having trouble comprehending the consequences for us all.

I suppose the best way to think about survival is to prepare as people did for Y2K?

[Peak_Oil]

12. Y2K? Maybe.

How did you prepare for Y2K?

[TexasBushwhacker]

11. Hmmmm

"3. Nat Gas dropping off a cliff with a cold winter this year or a hot summer next year."

Well, with Iran having the second largest reserve of natural gas on the planet you know what that means......

[Peak_Oil]

14. Nothing, right?

I mean, we're in Iraq to spread democracy, right? This doesn't have jack shit to do with oil, right? ANd Saddam, we had to get rid of him. Not a democratic kind of a guy.

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. Oh yes it is!

First Gore/Bush debate:
Bush: Secondly, we need an active exploration program in America. The only way to become less dependent on foreign sources of crude oil is to explore at home.

And you bet I want to open up a small part of -- a part of Alaska because when that field is on-line, it will produce a million barrels a day. Today we import a million barrels from Saddam Hussein.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/debates/transcripts/u221003.html

BUSH: I would rather that a million come from our own hemisphere, our own country, as opposed from Saddam Hussein.

Second debate:
Bush: I think credibility is going to be very important in the future in the Middle East. I want everybody to know, should I be the president, Israel's going to be our friend. I'm going to stand by Israel.

Secondly, that I think it's important to reach out to moderate Arab nations like Jordan and Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

It's important to be friends with people when you don't need each other so that when you do, there's a strong bond of friendship. And that's going to be particularly important in dealing not only with situations such as now occurring in Israel, but with Saddam Hussein.

The coalition against Saddam has fallen apart or it's unraveling, let's put it that way. The sanctions are being violated. We don't know whether he's developing weapons of mass destruction. He'd better not be or there's going to be a consequence, should I be the president.

But it's important to have credibility and credibility is formed by being strong with your friends and resoluting your determination. It's one of the reasons why I think it's important for this nation to develop an anti-ballistic missile system that we can share with our allies in the Middle East, if need be, to keep the peace; to be able to say to the Saddam Husseins of the world or the Iranians, "Don't dare threaten our friends."

It's also important to keep strong ties in the Middle East, credible ties, because of the energy crisis we're now in. After all, a lot of the energy is produced from the Middle East.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/10/11/politics/main240440.shtml

Third Debate (Town hall format)
MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: What would make you the best candidate in office during the Middle East crisis?

BUSH: I've been a leader. I've been a person who has to set a clear vision and convince people to follow. I've got a strategy for the Middle East. And first let me say that our nation now needs to speak with one voice during this time, and I applaud the President for working hard to diffuse tensions. Our nation needs to be credible and strong. When we say we're somebody's friend, everybody has got to believe it. Israel is our friend and we'll stand by Israel. We need to reach out to modern Arab nations as well. To build coalitions to keep the peace. The next leader needs to be patient. We can't put the Middle East peace process on our timetable. It's got to be on the timetable of the people that we're trying to bring to the peace table. We can't dictate the terms of peace, which means that you have to be steady. You can't worry about polls or focus groups. You've got to have a clear vision. That's what a leader does. A leader also understands that the United States must be strong to keep the peace. Saddam Hussein still is a threat in the Middle East. Our coalition against Saddam is unraveling. Sanctions are loosened. The man who may be developing weapons of mass destruction, we don't know because inspectors aren't in. So to answer your question, it requires a clear vision, a willingness to stand by our friends, and the credibility for people both friend and foe to understand when America says something, we mean it.

[kermujin]

13. i'm mike's editor :)

(honest)
we just finished the screamin' fast production of his book, "crossing the rubicon," and it's packed full of scary stuff. he's such a meticulous researcher and documenter; it was an honour to work with him.

edited to add: until the book's released, you can get a pre-pub reduced price on it.

[Peak_Oil]

15. He was great.

He wanted to stay the hell away from most of the 9-11 people and most of the peak oil people, too. He thinks they don't have enough credibility to stand on the same plank as him.

Nice guy, I'd love to have a beer with him one day.

I ordered the book from his website about a week and a half ago, before I knew I was going to have an opportunity to get an autographed copy.

[FloridaPat]

16. I ordered it a couple of weeks ago. It's on the way. Should get here

next week. Understand he's claiming Cheney was behind 9-11. Looking forward to reading it. The really sad thing about the Russian school takeover, the first person I thought of was Bush. How low have we sunk in this country.

[Peak_Oil]

18. If it comes out that Bush ordered that, even the secret service

wouldn't be able to keep him protected from the people of the US and the people of Russia. He wouldn't survive. Nobody could. I can't imagine any country harboring someone that would give an order like that. Especially not us.

[CrispyQ]

27. Educate me.

What would be the motivation for Dimson to order that?

[amandabeech]

29. Bush wants to control the Caucasus region so that

it will be easier to get oil and gas from Azerbaijan and central Asia through pipelines to the Turkish port of Ceyhan on the Mediterranean, which is the outlet for northern Iraqi oil now. The oil pipeline, which is finished or almost finished, runs from Baku in Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey. I would expect a natural gas pipeline to follow. Pipelines from Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan would be laid under the Caspian Sea to Baku, or tankers would operate on the short run.

Remember, Condi Rice is an old Russia hand. She may believe that although the Communists are out, Russia must be dealt with as a quasi-enemy. Cheney and Rumsfeld are old cold warriors. Notice that we have bases in Russia's central Asian sphere of influence as a result of our involvement in Afghanistan. When Russia has gained footholds in our southern sphere of influence, we freaked. Remember the Cuban Missile crisis, the Central American wars and our current attempts at overthrowing Chavez in Venezuela and tightening restrictions on family aid and visits to Cuba.

The more things change, the more things remain the same.

I have also heard the CIA in Chechnya rumor, but can offer no confirmation.

[leesa]

26. I've pre-ordered it, can't wait...even though it scares my pants off!

[SophieZ]

32. kermujin -- contact me.

I'd like to see about when it will be available, and who's handling his media.

[Beam Me Up]

38. Why does Mike make "predictions"?

I really do wish he would stop doing that. I really don't think it helps his CREDIBILITY one bit.

Example: In a story ciruclated in early June, Mike wrote:

Based upon recent developments, it appears that long-standing plans and preparations leading to indictments and impeachment of Bush, Cheney and even some senior cabinet members have been accelerated, possibly with the intent of removing or replacing the entire Bush regime prior to the Republican National Convention this August.

FTW has been documenting this Watergate-like coup for more than fifteen months and almost everything we will discuss about recent events was by us predicted in detail in these pages. Please see our stories
• "The Perfect Storm - Part I" (March 2003) http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/031903_perfect_storm_1.html
• "Blood in the Water" (July 2003) http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/071503_watergate_II.html
• "Beyond Bush - Part I" (July 2003) http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070103_beyond_bush_1.html
• "Waxman Ties Evidentiary Noose Around Rice and Cheney" (July 2003) http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/073103_waxman_noose.html
• "Beyond Bush - Part II" (October 2003) http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/102003_beyond_bush_2.html

There were two things we didn't get right. One was the timing. We predicted the developments taking place now as likely to happen after the November election, not before. Secondly, we did not foresee the sudden resignations of Tenet and Pavitt. Understanding the resignations is the key to understanding a deteriorating world scene and that America is on the precipice of a presidential and constitutional crisis that will ultimately dwarf the removal of Richard Nixon in 1974.

Believe me, I would LOVE to see Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, et. a., rounded up and put in chains and charged with TREASON aginst the United States. But it hasn't happened and it isn't going to happen. These Nazi pigs have insinuated themselves so intimately inside of the National Security State run Federal Government and their Corporate Owned Media, that they are now in complete control of our sense of WHAT is real.

I wish Mike Ruppert the best and commend his courage and honesty but I do wish he would stop making predictions. JUST GIVE US THE FACTS AS YOU UNDERSTAND THEM.

Thank you.

BMU

[kermujin]

17. the book is awesome...

prepare to take a day or two off work to get through it; it's 696 pages long, and *packed* with heavy, intense information.
*shudder*

[VolcanoJen]

20. This is amazing stuff.

Thanks for this great thread!

[greenman3610]

22. I like Ruppert

and respect all he's done on 911.
that said, it's always good to take a deep
breath and remember what a temptation it
is to think "Only I and a small group of the
elect truly see what will happen in the future."

That's the mindset of the rapture crowd, and
it is very seductive, expecially when the
"coming menace" suits your particular
political stripe.

I am sure we are in for some rude Oil
shocks, but, people have been predicting this
with great seriousness and credibility
since the 70s.(Reread old issues of Mother Earth News
to confirm this..)

[leesa]

28. Of course they have. Duh. Why do you think they were warning us to DO

something. Now it's too late to stop the biggest impact. Why would you not think a finite source of energy running out would not be a problem? The last BIG find in the North Sea, biggest find in five years, will last us 5 days at current useage.

[mhr]

30. True, But When One Looks At The Declining Rates Of Discovery

It does look like we are actually reaching a peak in oil production.

Discovery rates peaked in the seventies and have been declining steadily since then.

With the consistent increases in demand since the seventies, we are reaching a peak in global production where the demand curve and production curve are equal.

Once the production curve peaks, the demand curve will force ever greater prices due to supply and demand imbalances.

The prognosticators of the seventies got this wrong probably because the discovery data was not nearly as accurate as it is today.

Many credible minds suggest that the basic data is correct this time and we are heading toward the peak of oil production.

See more here: http://www.dallasforkerry.com/mediascope/brainzone/

[Joanne98]

36. It was predicted in the 70's but then we got Ronald Raygun.........

And Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority. They blocked everything. The rest is history. If we're really out of oil I'm going to kick Christian butt....

[Deja Q]

39. About #1, Other sources said 2007

Still. It's about to happen and NO president since Carter has done a damn thing about it.

It is not about taking their oil. It's about using something else so we can sustain humanity. That is what pro-life is being all about.

#3 is inevitable, but I gather there is more natural gas than oil so we're okay for the moment.

Live while we can, folks. We can't do diddles so let's be happy.