Bush’s Impending Draft

[dave502d]

A Draft After the Elections?


http://www.blatanttruth.org/draft.php


http://www.antiwar.com/orig/polner.php?articleid=3652

[AussieDave]

1. You could bet your grandmother on it..........

[Spinzonner]

2. What's the going rate for Grandmother's on eBay ?

[AussieDave]

3. Two slices of pie

and a hug..........

[goddess40]

4. Taking these flyers to the local tech college and 2 year college

in my home town. I shrunk it down so I can fit two on a page, so I can get twice as many to distribute. I plan on sticking them under the wipers on the students cars.

[AussieDave]

5. I just hope to goodness that these kids read them

and that all younger folk understand what's at stake..........

[roseBudd]

8. Here are the draft flyers

Go to http://somnamblst.tripod.com to download high resolution TIF or PDF file to print.

[Dzimbowicz]

10. I posted some of these

in places where young people go. I returned shortly afterwards and they were all torn down. Heh, heh, I had more and replaced them.

www.veteransforpeace.org

[roseBudd]

15. I've done college campus and black neighborhoods

African American youth are more concerned about the draft than spoiled white college students

in addition it is easier to spread the draft rumor in black neighborhoods

I went into barber shops to hand them out.

[Dzimbowicz]

16. Good point !

[roseBudd]

18. The reality is that black youth who are considered unlikely voters

from a pollsters viewpoint are a big previously untapped demo. We have a lot more "potential new voters" to "grow" our support. The GOP does not. I am not going to waste my time on selfish white people with good jobs who only think about themselves and other well off whites.

VoteMob http://votemob.org IMHO has the best model. We ask potential voters to sign a pleadge to vote for change. We then make sure the perswon is registered and continue to interact with them leading up to Nov. 2 because we HAVE their phone numbers!

[Dzimbowicz]

20. As we used to say back in the 70s...

MORE POWER TO YA!

[Dzimbowicz]

6. Info about a possible draft after the election

I received this from the Veterans for Peace:


Note, this legislation has been passed from committee and was referred to Donald Rumsfeld for DOD comment and is being held by his office prior to going to the full legislature.

Mandatory draft for boys and girls (ages 18-26 starting June 15, 2005, is something that everyone should know about. This literally effects everyone since we all have or know children that will have to go if this bill passes.

There is pending legislation in the house and senate (companion bills: S89 and HR 163, 2003) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin as early as spring, 2005,
just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is
quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's
attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed
immediately. Details and links follow. This plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft. Also, crossing into Canada has already been made very difficult.

Actions:

Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents. . .
And let your children know - - it's their future, and they can be a
powerful voice.
This legislation is called HR 163 (2003) and can be found
in detail at this website:
http://thomas.loc.gov
Just enter in "HR 163" and click search and will bring up the bill for you to read. It is less than two pages long.

If this bill passes, it will include all men and ALL WOMEN from ages 18 - 26 in a draft for military action. In addition, college will no longer be an option for avoiding the draft and they will be signing an agreement with the Canada which will no longer permit anyone attempting to dodge the draft to stay within its borders. This bill also includes the extention of military service for all those that are currently active. If you go to the selective service web site and read their 2004 FYI Goals you will see that the reasoning for this is to increase the size of the military in case of terrorism. This is a critical piece of legislation, this will effect our undergradates, our children and our grandchildren.
Please take the time to write your congressman and let them know how
you feel about this legislation.
http://www.house.gov
http://www.senate.gov
Please also write to your representatives and ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.

The draft $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for
decades, is ready for activation.
Please see
http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html
to view the Selective Service System annual performance plan,
fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan
(and permanent state of war on terrorism) proves accurate, the U.S.
may have no choice but to draft.

www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp
entitled the
Universal National service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common
defense by requiring that all young persons (age 18-26) in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services. Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December, 200 1, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30 point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.


www.veteransforpeace.org

[dave502d]

7. Empty Barracks

Empty Barracks



Colonel Hackworth,

I don't have any breaking news from the recruiting front for you, but I just wanted to illuminate the terrain from where I am deployed. I have been on the Drill Sergeant trail here at Ft XXXX for two years now and it's becoming painfully obvious to me what our recruiters must be going through. We are smack in the middle of what would normally be our busiest time of the year. However, we are just not that busy. Where as we would usually have about 300 privates in our AIT company, we currently are hovering somewhere around 200. It's very odd to walk down the hallways in the barracks and see whole 8 man rooms empty. I'm not going to say that the quality of soldiers has declined, because I respect the hell out of these young people for having the balls to volunteer for the Army when they know damn good and well where they are going upon graduation.

It is apparent that the recruiting command is suffering bad. Especially when I see former recruiters being yanked back in to the fire (recruiting). It's kinda got me worried, but since I've been involuntarily extended on DS duty for an additional year, I guess they can't get me anytime soon. Oh, did I forget to mention that I am a prior recruiter. They can put me back out there if they want to, but I assure you that the only part of recruiting that I will be participating in will be the extra $475.00 a month.

Yes Sir, it's bad and it doesn't look like it's going to get better any time soon. I also want you to know something about the motivation level of the ones that are joining. We are an XXXX AIT and we have probably 4 or 5 volunteers for Ranger training a month and allot more who go Airborne. We recently had 5 guys pass the RIP and are now waiting for their turn at Ranger School. Needless to say, we are quite proud of these soldiers. You have to keep in mind that these guys originally joined the Army to learn how to fix things to truly appreciate their motivation level.

So, in conclusion I'll just say that yes we are seeing fewer and fewer. But, the ones we're getting are not the bottom of the barrel. Some, yes. All, no way. But that's how it's always been.

A CONCERNED DRILL SGT.

[Dzimbowicz]

9. Response from a 1970s-era veteran

and I agree that the recruits you are currently receiving are good, motivated young people. I base this on the ones from my school (I am a teacher) who are choosing to enlist. I have personally had three former students join the USMC and one went into the Navy just so that they could do their part. I also know that the numbers of new recruits are down significantly.
When I entered the USMC in 1975 there were all types, spanning the range from excellent to shitbird. Remember, back then one did not need a high school diploma to join the Marines. Also, some states were allowing first-offense felons (namely 18 year olds who were convicted of something like Grand Theft Auto) to opt for "ten in the pen or four in the Corps". So the types I served with varied. BTW, I was a tank crewman.
The problem with the draft, as far as DIs, other NCOs and officers are concerned (from my point of view), is that draftees are/may not be as motivated as volunteers, hence difficulties for those in leadership positions.
On another point, the government must consider options to meet their personnel needs; and, it appears that a draft just might be around the corner.
Personally, I am against this war in Iraq and the phony reasons for which it was started. I am also against a draft. However, I cannot turn my back on a service member. When many of these people volunteered, they had no idea what was in their future and now they must fullfil their obligations. I think we need to end this war and bring the troops home as soon as possible. But, "Georgie and company" have caused a major problem with which we as a nation must deal.

Anyway, from a vet... thank you for what you do.


www.veteransforpeace.org

[Dems Will Win]

12. THis is the Adam Stutz email and has some inaccuracies.

It makes it seem like the Rangel legislation is needed to start the DRAFT

NOT TRUE!

THere already is draft law in place. All that is needed is to pass a "trigger resolution", and the combat draft is back for men 18-25.

Don't be confused by the Rangel DRAFT PROTEST BILL and the new BUSH SKILLS AND COMBAT DRAFT ACTIVITY that I've been reporting on. It's easy to get mixed up because both would draft women and both would expand the age up to 34 from 25. BUT Rangel's bill is a protest bill and hasn't a PRAYER of passing because it DRAFTS WOMEN for COMBAT.

The GOP hates that idea. Rangel proposed it because he knew it wouldn't pass but it would make it

The NEW BUSH SKILLS DRAFT would only DRAFT women for NON-COMBAT skills job (as well as men).

They are two different animals.

The SSS secret Issue Paper which was an agenda for a 2003 top-level meeting between the head of the SSS and Deputy Undersecretary Abell in charge of Personnel and Readiness of the DoD, see: http://www.blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

It's important that we not mix these up.

Here are the differences between the RANGEL PROTEST BILL and the secretive behind-the-scenes activity at the SSS and the DoD to ready not only a BUSH COMBAT DRAFT in 2005 but also a BUSH SKILLS DRAFT and BUSH MEDICAL DRAFT in 2006 or sooner.

RANGEL PROTEST BILL

1. Drafts Women for combat as well as men, 18-34
   
2. Does not draft for skills
   ...
   

ACTUAL BUSH SSS ACTIVITY TOWARD A 2005 DRAFT

1. Could draft MEN ONLY for combat, 18-25 (Current law)
   
2. "Groundwork being laid" (SSS Spokesman Amon) for a NON-COMBAT SKILLS DRAFT, men and women age 18-34. 2-year process to gear up SKILLS DRAFT started nearly 2 YEARS AGO in Feb. 2003, meaning a skills draft would be ready in 2005. (a new law wuold be passed if Bush gets back in)
   
3. The MEDICAL DRAFT registration data collection is also going to be readied for operational use in 2005 by using the SKILLS DRAFT work they've done and make the reg card you'd fill out at the Post Office contain all the listed medical skills. This means the Medical draft would be ready in 2005, men and women age 20-44. (This draft like the current combat draft for men 18-25, is already the law of the land)
   
4. The secret http://www.blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf>Issue Paper actually proposes being able to call a SKILLS and MEDICAL DRAFT WITHOUT calling a combat draft.
   ...
   

The biggest difference of course is that the RANGEL PROTEST BILL will NEVER happen and the NEW BUSH DRAFT has already begun gearing up for 2005.

SKILLS DRAFT AND NEW COMBAT DRAFT TIMELINE

Feb. 11 2003 - Top-level meeting between the head of the SSS and Deputy Undersecretary Abell in charge of Personnel and Readiness of the DoD on the SKILLS DRAFT. This is the meeting of the secret Issue Paper, revealed by the Freedom of Information Act in May. The SSS goes back encouraged enough to do some more planning.

Summer 2003 - Drive to start filling DRAFT BOARD vacancies by asking current board members to find new ones.

Fall 2003 - DoD announces critical skills shortages in linguists, computer experts and engineers. SSS Director Brodsky orders the designing of the SKILLS DRAFT procedures, the reg card and the massive database needed to track every young American under 35 and their skills. Brodsky, who "plays" JE McNeil and other anti-draft leaders by calling them regularly and shmoozing them, lies to McNeil telling her that in February of 2003 the SSS had to "justify their existence" before a hostile committee--when in reality the SSS and DOD were having the SKILLS DRAFT meeting and he himself had just started designing the new system and making it his top priority.

Sept 2003 - Draft board recruitment ad goes up on Web.

November 2003 - Draft board ad scrubbed!

Dec. 2003 - Brodsky announces the SKILLS DRAFT to be the "top priority' of the SSS in newsletter and tells of rapid progress to come.

March 13, 2004 - Word of SKILLS DRAFT leaks out in a SF Chronicle story and the SSS admits it and tells reporters it’s just a planning contingency. In an attempt to throw the press off, the SSS also says it would take 2 years to gear up and work out the kinks for the SKILLS DRAFT and that there is no funding for it. Eric Rosenberg, the reporter on the story, finds out about the Feb. 11 meeting Issue Paper and files a Freedom of Information Act request to get it.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/03/13/MNG905K1BC1.DTL


May 1, 2004 – Article on SKILLS DRAFT leaves out key points of how skills conscription would be expanded to fill labor shortages throughout Dept of Homeland Security, 1/3 of government, how the SKILLS DRAFT can be called without a combat draft, how SKILLS INDUCTEES will be inducted within a mere 90 days of reauthorization, that the SSS wanted to “promptly” change the very MISSION of the SSS and so on. The article does, however, reveal many major point of sweeping plan. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html

Sept 13, 2004 – Issue Paper agenda memo of key Feb 2003 meeting posted on the Web at http://www.blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf sample:
"while a conventional draft may never be needed, a draft of men and women possessing these critical skills may be warranted in a future crisis if too few volunteer."

2004 – MOCK DRAFT LOTTERY HELD, SAMPLE MEDICAL EXAM REPORT ORDERS ISSUED TO MAIL LIST. Alternative Service geared up for first time in 31 years! Papers to place Conscientious Objectors with employers actually drawn up. SSS brought up to 95% operational capability, full Medical draft capability set for 2005, all DRAFT BOARD vacancies filled by Spring 2005! On March 31, 2005, the SSS Director must report to the Congress that the entire system is primed and ready to open 2,000 draft board offices and start inducting within 75 days, or June 15, 2005.

BUSH ’04 = DRAFT ‘O5

“There will be no draft when John Kerry is President.” - John Edwards

[Dzimbowicz]

14. Agreed, Rangel's bill is a protest bill

I've heard him discuss this. I've missed your other reports, but you seem to provide a good synopsis of your message.

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[Dems Will Win]

13. Bush says he won't start the DRAFT, he'll raise benefits, like the DEATH

BENEFIT, from $6,000 to $12,000.

Doesn't that make you want to enlist??

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[Dems Will Win]

19. Oh sure, Karl Rove told him to go out and tell everybody

"I'm going to start the DRAFT! Vote for me!"

Haven't you ever heard of the famous line about politicians:

"Watch what they do, not what they say"????????????

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[Dems Will Win]

23. How in the world can you call an FOI document from the Selective

Service itself a rumor?!?! It was a Freedom of Information Act request. And it's not just a planning document, they are designing the database fields needed RIGHT NOW (see the timeline above--they ADMITTED IT WHEN THE SEATTLE PI GOT THE FOI DOC AND NAILED THEM!)

Here read this, take two aspirin and call me in the morning--and don't forget to re-read the timeline above to put it all in context!

Rumor!

http://www.blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf (especially pages 3-6)

This was a meeting between the DEPUTY UNDERSECRETARY of PERSONNEL AND READINESS HIMSELF and THE HEAD OF THE SELECTIVE SERVICE (page 1 top).

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05

KERRY '04 = PNAC OUT THE DOOR!!

Thanks for playing!

[LARED]

24. I read it and wonder if any else did

It is a report indicating ways to change the selective service registration progress to help identify people with specific skills in case there are needed in case there is a draft.

It is not creating a draft.

[jackieforthedems]

22. If Bush Gets In Again

I really think there will be a draft in the Spring 2005. Bush won't admit to it now because of the election, but it sure doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out - a war that won't end in our lifetime and troops dropping like flies. They'll need more help, and where else are they going to get it? Right now, soldiers are being told to re-enlist or be deployed to Iraq - what does that tell people?