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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:07 AM
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Poll question: Do you think Bush has serious brain damage?
It seems obvious from watching the 2000 debates that a large deterioration has occured in his verbal skills.
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Infomaniac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:08 AM
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1. The schmuck doesn't have a brain to have damaged. eom
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:09 AM
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2. Cocaine is a helluva drug
Extreme alcohol compsumption is possibly worse. Is it possible that "w's" on something right now?
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:11 AM
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3. Alcohol
Of all the legal and illegal "recreational" drugs it is alcohol that is the proven destroyer of brain/nerve cells. Nothing else even comes close.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:16 AM
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5. Absolutely true.
:hippie:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:22 AM
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6. Google Wernicke Korskoff syndrome
I'm tired of posting it.

This is Bush's problem.
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iaclassic Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 02:57 PM
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24. Wow!
http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/Facts_about_dementia/What_is_dementia/info_korsakoffs.htm

What are the symptoms?
The main symptom is memory loss, particularly of events arising after the onset of the condition. Sometimes, memories of the more distant past can also be affected. Other symptoms may include:

Difficulty in acquiring new information or learning new skills.
Lack of insight into the condition. Even a person with great gaps in their memory may believe their memory is functioning normally.
Inventing events to fill the gaps in memory. This is more common in the early stages of the illness and is known as 'confabulation'.
Apathy, in some cases, or talkative and repetitive behaviour in others.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:02 PM
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25. Hi iaclassic!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:15 AM
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4. alcoholic wet brain and cocaine induced brain vessel damage....
...<snip> "Death through heart attacks, or seizures, is a very real danger (from cocaine use). Constricted veins and increased heart rate could result in burst blood vessels causing brain damage. Overconfidence and paranoid psychoses are symptoms of overuse. Intensive use normally results in you becoming too selfish, aggressive and paranoid."

That last sentance certainly describes our (p)Resident.

<link> http://www.ravesafe.org/drugz/cocaine.htm
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:23 AM
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7. My vote is wet brain
When you don't stop in time and kill off enough brain cells, that's what you're left with, and that's how W has struck me since he was the Governor of Texas.

It isn't even ironic that the symptoms of wet brain match up pretty well with the mindset we've come to know as Christian Fundamentalism.
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bo44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:25 AM
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8. I doubt he has enough usable brain tissue to make a skid mark on panties
He is KKKomander Dookiestain
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:31 AM
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9. Why hasn't this been made an issue?
Force ChimpyMcCokespoon to talk about his drug and alcohol abuse. Is this why we are in fantasyland in Iraq.
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:44 AM
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12. Remember too, he's building :"low-yield" nukes
He's already shown that he can't think logically.

He probably thinks that a low-yield nuke isn't much more powerful than a fireworks display.

Stand by for a nuclear Rapture, Bush style.

Note: Hell, he can't even pronounce "nuclear" correctly.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:33 AM
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10. No
He is just stupid and evil. Why complicate matters with some psychological mumbo-jumbo.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:37 AM
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11. I doubt Junior ever had much upstairs to begin with
...but everyone in America has seen "The Osbournes". They have heard Ozzy speak and they have seen the direct result of 20 years of drug & alcohol use. Ozzy didn't sound like that in the 70's. Even in the early 80's he was remarkably coherent.

Having seen this with their own eyes, and knowing Junior has a similar history with substance abuse - and listening to his ridiculous misstatements ("Bushisms")- how could anyone deny that the effects are much the same?
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:46 AM
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13. He's definitely had some kind of mental decline since just 1992.
I was shocked to see the clip of Bush Jr. from 1992 in Farenheit 911. He wasn't eloquent or anything, but he was articulate. Something must be wrong with him, but I have no idea what it is.
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:59 AM
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16. Do you think this could be the answer?
Someone emailed me this.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/091804Mazza/091804mazza.html

Hope this works because I've never done a link before.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:40 AM
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17. That's interesting. "Presenile Dementia"?
Edited on Sun Sep-26-04 11:40 AM by Cat Atomic
I wasn't even aware that you could exhibit symptoms of Alzheimer's in your late 40's.

I'm no physician, but his desription of the symptoms was interesting. It's the exact thing that's struck me about Bush's speech since I saw F911.
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 12:12 PM
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18. When I worked in hospice I saw cases that
started as early as 45. It certainly would explain a lot. When I worked with these patients if they had their mind made up to something, there was very little you could do to change it, no matter what. This would definetly be something they would not want the public to know about. But can you imagine how really dangerous this could be if it were true.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:47 AM
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14. Cocaine causes permanent changes in the brain.
http://www.soberrecovery.com/Articles/cocaine-brain.html


Since the dopamine system helps us recognize pleasurable experiences and seek to repeat them, cocaine's long-term dopamine effects likely contribute to the craving addicts feel, and the decreased motivation, stunted emotion and uncomfortable withdrawal they face.


In recent years, many researchers have come to suspect that chronic cocaine use causes the brain to adapt to the drug's presence by altering the molecules involved in dopamine release and reuptake, and in the genetic instructions needed to make those molecules. Little and his colleagues are studying the effects of long-term cocaine use on the brain at a molecular level, in an attempt to explain the effects seen in cocaine users and addicts.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:59 AM
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15. Is there some way to access his medical records- from the past to the
present? I'd rather have these than the AWOL stuff anyday.

I think he has some sort of epilepsy that cannot be controlled without making him drowsy - thus it is allowed to be untreated for short periods of time so he can try to make speeches, etc. Then he falls off his bicycle, chokes on his food, has to go to bed very early, and so forth.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 12:28 PM
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19. At at least one of his press conferences, April 2004, he appeared to be
drugged. After Kenny Boy was indicted, he refused to answer any questions about it, and stormed off the stage in a little hissy fit; then, reportedly, he screamed and cursed at a member of his staff after walking off. Bob Woodward said that Bush is treated with medication for some type of mental ailment.

And, then, we can just look at how he acts every day.

Yes, I believe he's brain damaged.
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juslikagrzly Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 12:38 PM
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20. Early onset Alzheimers
with Sundowner's syndrome (accounts for the reported late afternoon melt-downs)
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 01:26 PM
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21. I read some place where he has...
early symtoms of dementia. Don't ask me where, but I read it.
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 01:30 PM
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22. age, pressure of the job, life of drinking--it all adds up....n/t
..
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 01:57 PM
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23. Please read.
Considerations on the Stigma of Mental Illness
http://www.cpa-apc.org/Publications/Archives/CJP/2003/november/guesteditorial.asp

"Stigma, prejudice, and discrimination are closely related and tightly interwoven social constructs. These constructs affect many, based on age, religion, ethnic origin, or socio- economic status. However, a person can potentially move out of these groups, if not physically—as in age or ethnic background—then by moving up the social ladder, which makes the affected person less of a target. Conversely, stigma, prejudice, and discrimination against those with mental illness cut across all classes and social groups, and, to the extent that many mental conditions are chronic and incapacitating, those affected can hardly migrate out of the grip of negative social attitudes. The result is social annihilation that constricts the lives of those with mental illness, preventing them from fully reengaging in their communities and participating in the social activities of their groups of reference.

The general public most frequently makes contact with mental illness through the media or the movies. Unfortunately, the media often depict patients as unpredictable, violent, and dangerous (1), and movies usually follow the popular “psycho- killer” plot (2) long exploited by the cinematographic industry. Associating mental illness with violence helps to perpetuate stigmatizing and discriminatory practices against mentally ill persons; it is only one of many negative stereotypes and common prejudicial attitudes about them.

...

Prejudice often stems from ignorance or unwillingness to find the truth. For example, a study conducted by the Ontario Division of the Canadian Mental Health Association in 1993–1994 found that the most prevalent misconceptions about mental illness include the belief that mental patients are dangerous and violent (88%); that they have a low IQ or are developmentally handicapped (40%); that they cannot function, hold a job, or have anything to contribute (32%); that they lack willpower or are weak and lazy (24%); that they are unpredictable (20%); and finally, that they are to be blamed for their own condition and should just “shape up” (20%) (17). Similarly, a survey among first-year university students in the US found that almost two-thirds believed “multiple personalities” to be a common symptom of schizophrenia, and a poll among the general public found that 55% did not believe that mental illness exists, with only 1% acknowledging that mental illness is a major health problem (18). Some of these myths also surfaced in a study conducted in Calgary during the pilot phase of the World Psychiatric Association (WPA) project Open the Doors (19). Respondents to this study believed that persons with schizophrenia cannot work in regular jobs (72%), have a split personality (47%), and are dangerous to the public because of violent behaviour (14%) (20).

...

Sensational media reports (24,25) reinforce beliefs instilled by movies that depict mental health patients as “uncontrollable killers.” Relatives of the mentally ill assert that the way they are depicted in movies is the most important contributor to stigmatization (26). Movies have stigmatized not only those with mental illness but also psychiatrists, often extending negative stereotypes to portray them as libidinous lechers, eccentric buffoons, and evil-minded, vindictive, and repressive agents of the social system—and in the case of female psychiatrists, as loveless and sexually unfulfilled (27)."


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For further reading on the papers brought up in this editorial, see:

Stigma and the Daily News: Evaluation of a Newspaper Intervention
http://www.cpa-apc.org/Publications/Archives/CJP/2003/november/stuart.asp

Interventions to Reduce the Stigma Associated With Severe Mental Illness
http://www.cpa-apc.org/Publications/Archives/CJP/2003/november/gaebel.asp

Determinants of the Public’s Preference for Social Distance From People With Schizophrenia
http://www.cpa-apc.org/Publications/Archives/CJP/2003/november/angermeyer.asp

Also, see...

TEN THINGS YOU CAN DO TO FIGHT STIGMA
http://www.naminys.org/factsheets.htm

"3. WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE. Most of us, including mental health professionals and mental health consumers, use terms and expressions related to mental illness that may perpetuate stigma. We use psychiatric labels to disparage, such as when we complain about aggressive drivers and call them "nuts" and "lunatics." We also depersonalize sufferers of mental illness by referring to them generically as "the mentally ill" or as "a schizophrenic." We can avoid contributing to stigma by avoiding such language and by using People First language to refer to individuals with psychiatric disorders.

4. MONITOR MEDIA AND REPORT STIGMATIZING MATERIAL to any of a number of organizations. The National Stigma Clearinghouse, the National Mental Health Association, and the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill protest such material by contacting the people -- authors, editors, movie producers, advertisers -- responsible for the material.

5. RESPOND TO STIGMATIZING MATERIAL IN THE MEDIA. Write, call, or e-mail stigmatizers yourself, expressing your concerns and providing more accurate information that they can use. The organizations mentioned above can help you figure out who to contact."


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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:30 PM
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26. Asshole frat-boys with entitlement issues all act like that. - n/t
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:41 PM
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27. Maybe it's not brain damage the president has
maybe he just has a cob up his butt, cutting off the passage of air to his proverbial "brain".

Scary stuff:dunce: :nopity:
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