Kerry supports Allawi?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&e=1&u=/nm/20040926/ts_nm/iraq_allawi_biden_dc


"I personally was authorized by Kerry in front of all my colleagues to say the first thing in a private meeting. I said, 'Mr. President, you know me.' And he said, 'Yes, I do.' I said, 'I guarantee you that John Kerry as president -- you will continue to have the full support of the United States of America in order to be able to establish a representative republic.' He said, 'Thank you, and I know it."'

Or, is it just another stupid statement from the Senator Camera Hog?

[Cocoa]

1. of course he does

Allawi is currently on our side in the conflict in Iraq.

And it wasn't just Biden, Madeline Albright said essentially the same thing.

[Dangerman]

4. He's a puppet for God's sake!

He murdered seven insurgents in the back of the head execution style. He is no better, if not worse, than Saddam IMO. You can't trust Allawi. The Iraqi people don't trust him. I don't trust him.

[Cocoa]

7. that's not remotely Kerry's position

I think any expectation that Kerry would take this position is disingenuous.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. "our side" Which side is that?

The same side that BushCorp is on? He and his fellow empire builders sure think Allawi is a swell guy and a faithful puppet.

[Cocoa]

11. yes

of course, Kerry's position is obviously that he is on the same side as Bush in the war.

If you don't like it, say so. But to pretend you're surprised that Kerry says things in line with the position he obviously holds is kind of dumb.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. I don't like it. Do you?

I haven't pretended surprise at his passive support of Bush's policies. I find them disgusting.

Do you support the war, the occupation, the subjugation of the Iraqi people?

Kerry is wrong on this.

[Cocoa]

18. you did pretend surprise in the title to this thread

and I don't like it either, especially since the war has proven such a disaster, but I came to terms with it when Kerry won the primaries (I voted for Kucinich), and became the guy that MUST beat Bush.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. Came to terms with what? The "war"?

I haven't come to terms with the "war", and won't until we get the hell out of Iraq.

I'm voting for Kerry but I'm sure as hell not happy with his stance on the war and occupation. His support of Allawi is another sign of his muddled (and, I'm being generous) position.

[jonnyblitz]

17. ummm...ok...

:eyes:

[AlCzervik]

2. I knew who said that without even having to read the article

you can tell a Biden quote almost instantly. thats Joe trying out for a post in the new Kerry Admin.

[mazzarro]

3. And some of us wonder why Kerry's overall support is lukeworm.

To be brutally honest, sometimes I pine for Howard Dean so badly - I just want to cry.

[Cocoa]

8. Dean is against Allawi?

I seriously doubt that.

[saccheradi]

5. The spin...

was that by saying the picture Allawi and the Shrub were presenting was through rose colored glasses, Kerry was calling Allawi a liar and undermining our actions in Iraq.

That simply wasn't the case.

Allawi was speaking overly optimistically because that's his job. It was Kerry's job to bring the show back to reality. That he did very well, and Allawi and Kerry obviously have a healthy respect for the roles they each must play.

It's the Repuqs who set up the whole affair that should be spanked.

[KlatooBNikto]

6. Kerry just follows in the glorious tradition of Jimmy Carter who during

a visit to Teheran just before the Shah was forced to flee, said" Your Majesty, we admire your belief in Democracy".

[cindyw]

10. The point is Allawi made a mistake by coming here to help Bush with

his election campaign. By criticizing him, Kerry was sending a message to Allawi that he has no place coming here and taking sides. Had Kerry not done this the news would only be talking about Allawi telling us what is going on in Iraq. Thanks to Kerry the media is talking about Allawi trying to put a good face on it. Now what purpose would there be for the leader of Iraq top sell the war to Americans, except to help Bush. Kerry had to send the message that he will support him when he is president, but he will not accept him helping Bush. Do you really think Allawi is in a position now to continue helping Bush? WIll Bush be able to bring up Allawi comments in the debate without Kerry commenting that Allawi must be more honest? I think not.

If Bush does bring up Allawi, I would like to see Kerry say something to the effect of, "What PM Allawi needs to understand about Americans is that they can handle anything, win any fight and prevail over any enemy if they are given the facts, if they are well prepared for reality by their leaders. Allawi would be well served to understand that Americans will rise to the challenge of Democracy in Iraq if only they are trusted with reality. Our troops in Iraq do well when their leaders allow them to deal with the situation on the ground and not when they are directed by far removed political decisions."

Kerry should say it better than that, but you get my point. I want him to turn around Allawi and Bush's lies to say that Americans handle challenges better when faced with truth. FDR didn't tell people there was no problem. He told them that life was hard, and that there was no magic answer, but he promised them that together they could get out of any crisis. He trusted people enough to involve them in their saving. Allawi seems to be buying into the idea that you win a war by telling people not to look behind the curtain.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. " Kerry had to send the message that he will support him..." Why?

His criticism of Allawi was right. Why would he now turn around and say that he supports him?

As for your proposed statement, " Allawi would be well served to understand that Americans will rise to the challenge of Democracy in Iraq if only they are trusted with reality.

The "challenge to democracy" in Iraq is the American military and it's surrogates.

"Our troops in Iraq do well when their leaders allow them to deal with the situation on the ground and not when they are directed by far removed political decisions."

The troops will do as they're told no matter if their leaders tell them the truth or not.

[okieinpain]

12. like it or not. bush does speak for you (us). and right now

allawi is the u.s., picked leader of iraq. so yes a president kerry would give full support to allawi until the iraqi elections.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. Why?

Simple question.

[Gothic Sponge]

14. ABB!

[Hippo_Tron]

19. Kerry supports Allawi in the sense that he supports the new government

I'm sure that he won't take sides during the Iraqi elections but I highly doubt that he supports the Bush puppet.

[Eric J in MN]

21. Think about the full sentence.

Full support to "establish a representative republic" means hold elections in which Allawi will lose.