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democrat in Tallahassee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:13 AM
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Why is it so obvious to the rest of the world that he needs to go?
Are Americans just dumb or is the rest of the world just better informed. Or is it a mixture of both.
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY?
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:15 AM
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1. Lack of education + propaganda =
A bunch of gullible sheep.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:59 AM
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13. Just what Thomas Jefferson warned us about.
An uninformed voting constituency and crooked media. (In those days, that meant newspapers only)
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:20 AM
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2. the United States is a bit backwards
especially among the more developed nations we are very much backwards.
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:21 AM
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3. Bush has been elevated to the status of Jesus. We're dealing with a cult.
There's no easier way to put it. Anyone who has ever dealt with a cult, or been in a cult, knows what I'm talking about. The followers are to shun any information critical of the cult, viewing it as "spiritual pornography" and poison. The followers are only to accept their information from the sources sanctioned by the organization. When secular sources are cited, they are only recognized as authoritative reports if repeated by the organization, otherwise they are to be shunned.

They have been vaccinated against independent thinking. George W. Bush could be found in a motel room with a dead naked 10-year old boy, and it wouldn't matter. The organization would find a way to explain it, and the followers - conditioned to accept the message of the organization - would accept the message, learn the appropriate talking points to argue it against outsiders, and move on. Sure, a few people would fall away, but at the risk of isolating themselves from the social and spiritual circle that they've built around them.

It's a cult, people. Plain and simple. Our government has been taken over by a cult.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:44 AM
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9. I believe....
...it's more akin to the rapture felt by Amway distributors at their rallies. They have the same vaucous gaze and drink heavily from the verbal flatulence of their "heroes". It's probably safe to say you can call this administration the Amway Presidency for the scam and fraud they have perpetuated on the American people.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:01 AM
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14. Nobody ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the
average American--- H.L.Mencken.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:07 AM
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15. Exactly! And if thats the case,
there is a massive need for cult de-programming.

The sooner Americans realize that almost half of their population has been taken over by a cult, the sooner we can get started in remedying what could be classified as a medical or psychiatric problem.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:12 AM
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19. kee rect, a cult
a death cult
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:30 AM
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4. America ranks 49th in literacy, and European news shows
things they won't show on our tv.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:31 AM
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5. Even an asshole in this country thinks he is better than educated
and sophisticated people from Europe or Asia.Bush, being an asshole himself, draws support from this crowd of ignoramuses.He personifies the swaggering "ugly American" in full regalia, wears his ignorance like a badge and looks down on people with intelligence and civilization.In fact, he looks down on just about everyone,especially the ones who swallow his line of swill.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:10 AM
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16. We have reached the point at which any name chosen randomly
from any phone book would almost certainly be a better candidate for President that Bush.

I'm astonished to see how many Americans have been suckered into this
gigantic con scheme.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:40 AM
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6. 50% of our people are "below average" -- sad, but true. <grin> nt
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:40 AM
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7. Journalistic integrity: Reporting just the facts
Historically, the so-called Liberal Media in the US was accused by the right because they couldn't forward their agenda as long as the media reported just the facts.

By repeatedly accusing them of a liberal bias and threatening to pull advertising dollars, the rightwing forced the media to accept inferior sources (American Enterprise Institute/ Cato/ Heritage) as equals to tried-and-true sources, like The Brookings Institute.

The fear of being label "liberal" has caused our media to swing wildly to the right.

If our cable "news" networks did nothing but read the facts, we would be much better served.

I hope that made sense. I'm not fully awake yet.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:43 AM
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8. Relax.You make more sense half awake than our media.LOL.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:12 AM
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18. I believe you are over thinking the media problem.
It seems to me that its a simple case of greed for profit. In one way or the other the media has been bought and paid for. Help Bush get elected and he will allow them to continue to consolidate their monopolies.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:47 AM
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10. Americans are not unlike an abused spouse

Family members tell them to leave, but they just can't help themselves.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:31 AM
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21. yes, thats the mind frame
And when one abused spouse does something about it, and up and
leaves, the others are confronted similarly... and as the vast
majority are not getting away from the abuse, there is that same
re-rationalization of how something about the abusive relationship
is good... still some love, fear of independence, and all those
small and weakening emotions that the constitution's framers
hoped would be in remission by this date in the republic.

As well, i can't help but see native born americans as "native
americans", and though the skin is not red-indian, the spirits born
to the souls on the north american continent, have native blood,
and all suffer collectively at the rape of the land, and the
separation of the culture from its roots on this sacred earth.
And like the american indians, brutally repressed and killed by
a manifest destiny-driven cult-member white man, all the spirits of
americans are similarly repressed and put down. There is no other.
The abusive spouse is destroying the homeland, leaving a tsunami
of suffering in its wake.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:49 AM
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11. i was just reading about this yesterday
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:56 AM
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12. Because their media is actually much more free to report real facts.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:10 AM
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17. Probably only about 34% of the U.S. goes along with junior
and only about 30% of those are truly ignorant and hard right wing nuts. The other 4% are the wealthy of the wealthiest that would move to another country in time of real crisis.

The folks in this country are slowly catching up to the rest of the world, in knowing that we do have indeed have a organized crime family running the U.S.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:15 AM
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20. Anyone see the focus group on CSPAN?
Edited on Mon Sep-27-04 07:19 AM by teryang
...done by Hart (?) associates?

The female concerned about civil rights was leaning toward voting for chimp!

The retired school teacher (male) is going to vote for chimp.

There were three white male engineers (all bush voters) who were going to vote for chimp.

All the people were from Kansas and Missouri.

There was only one black, a female. No hispanics. No asians.

Remarkably, an equal number of people said they would vote for Kerry as would vote for Bush.

Two people indicated were undecided. Aside from the four committed to voting for Kerry, the others were remarkably ignorant about current affairs, politics and foreign policy. This is not to say that they weren't intelligent. There was a consensus that the media failed to cover the issues and inform them. Ironically, they didn't view the problem as a failure to inform themselves, nor was this brought up.

The interesting thing was that the pro Bush voters indicated that they would be somewhat open to consider altering their vote based upon the debates. I find this somewhat amazing, that a person would depend on the debates to find out whether Kerry was a better candidate. Virtually all the subjects stated that they had a hard time finding out what Kerry's policy positions were.

In electronic warfare, there is a tactic called noise jamming.
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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:08 AM
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22. Shadows vs. Reality
I believe that such alarm has cause, but I can't help but think that much of the image of Bush-supporting America is nothing more than a spectre - a small object back lit by an enormous light, and cast upon the wall as an image that is intimidatingly larger.

Just like anyone else, I've seen and been disgusted by my fair share of W'04 bumper stickers, but I'm optimistic that the undercurrents of common sense, humanity and constructive rational impulse over destructive irrational impulse seem to be hardwired into humans so deeply that they will critically reject any overt corruption of Democracy (at least the image of it) at home.

Do we honestly believe that, if most Americans honestly knew the facts of the grand deception this administration has perfected (not created, but perfected), that any of them would trust a word that emerged from the White House spin machine? Only if they would bother to read.

Do we honestly believe that the Melrose socialite driving her Escalade, existing only to acquire symbols of status and to gloat of them, would not question her behavior when presented with a cold outline of the transgressions caused by her gluttony? Only if she would bother to listen.

Do we honestly believe that a person who understands the meaning of the holy scriptures would ever condone the true context of our occupation of Iraq? Sure, he might support the destruction of Islam, or the securing of American safety, hence, the safety of the world through such an invasion, but would he be supportive of the Halliburtons and the Bechtels and the Carlyles of the world whose only allegiance is to the almighty dollar? I suggest that he would be vehemently opposed to such a crime, if he cared to show the same critical discretion in analyzing Bush's policy failures as he does for the democratic contender.

The ignorant, reactionary, self-absorbed, racist, overzealous and simple-minded have always existed. It is the Republican's sworn duty to exploit their weaknesses and turn them into the party's gain. This is not a secret to anyone who has been paying attention. However, although those people do exist, they are scarce in number. The GOP has been holding the light to them, casting an inaccurate shadow of reality up on the wall for us to quake before.

I believe that many liberal Americans are victims of this shadow-play. This is best described in the allegory of Plato's Cave - the common man is nothing more than a prisoner inside of a cave, shackled, facing a dimly lit wall, watching shadows pass by. He knows nothing but those shadows, so they become reality to him. Behind him is a bright light, which he is fully are unaware of. There are also men who use that light to cast the enormous shadows and, thusly, have complete control over what he perceives.

If Plato is correct that, invariably, a majority of humans fall into this "wall-watching" category, then it is our job to shatter that illusion.

To do that, we need to change the public discourse. We need to have our opinions represented in the media without balance or challenge, since the truth can only be balanced by falsity or challenged by lies.

Many musicians, actors and scholars, many of whom had spent a relatively apolitical life, have started coming out of the woodwork to challenge the seeds of plutocracy, and yet it is still not enough. Our numbers have been underrepresented, and the media has replaced our normal, concerned, intellectual, everyday faces with hateful, unpatriotic, anarchist (as a pejorative) ones.

Beyond that, liberals and progressives need to interlace their efforts quickly and effectively in order to abort any future attempts at a right-wing coup. If there is another one in November, there will be little air left in the lungs of democracy for the quaint, disjointed activist movements of the left to breathe with.

Make no mistake - those who enjoy the freedoms of a democratic society the most (e.g. activists, artists, teachers) will be the first to perish in a new America led by the manipulations and deceits of a neo-conservative ruling class. We need to start asking the hard questions about how we're going to survive within a dictatorship if we choose to stay and challenge this regime, and we need to start asking them now.

Even our flimsy cyberspace freedoms are capable of being erased in a split-second. Are you prepared for a world where you cannot access the truth through forms of liberal media on the online? Where did you learn most of what you know about the administration's lies? Don't tell me it was network news. I'd venture to say that many of us are not prepared for the possibility (and I'd say the eventuality) of an Electronic Doomsday. This "things'll get better" mentality is precisely why the right considers the left unorganized. The right has spent decades conspiring against the left, like school bullies who have agreed to steal the lunch money from some unprepared, unwitting, weakling honors-students. The left has spent much of that time vainly defending itself.

This is our call to unite and fight back, since our numbers greatly overpower the handful of extremists that wish to oppress us using deceptive policies and deceptive media.

So, on one hand we believe that the media have systematically manipulated us, and on the other hand, we believe they're being honest in posting the polls which show a dead-heat between Bush and Kerry?

What we do not need to do is play this game tailored for us by the elite, who are nothing less than giddy when they see us chasing the SwiftBoat Veterans or Dan Rather up and down the wall in total distraction while they put the finishing touches on what promises to be a truly fascist American state.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:40 AM
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27. Great first post! Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:14 AM
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23. The same thing happened in 1930s Germany
for the same reasons.

Goebbels v2.0 is so much more efficient and reality-divorcing than v1.0 back during that time.

The New Goebbels of Amerika performs as the Old Goebbels did for Germany.

The result is essentially the same.

Virtual Reality Nation which is a nation so clueless and insane that it will do ANYTHING it's masters tell it.

And THAT is where we live TODAY, exactly where the Germans were in 1937, except luckily for us, the Imperial Subjects have not been commanded to make the Final Transition and embrace the last of the differences between Amerika and Nazi Germany.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:41 AM
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24. A C-span caller this morning
talked about comments from Europeans she met while traveling. They're willing to give us a pass on electing * the first time, but if this guy is voted in again…
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:25 AM
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25. Decades of fascist propaganda and undermining education. (n/t)
:dem:


Read about the Right-Wing "Master Plan": http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.html

Have you read "War is a Racket"?: http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Read George Orwell's classic "1984" free online here: http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:30 AM
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26. We're living in The Matrix.
Hey, I've got a new slogan!
Kerry/Edwards: Red Pills for Red America.

:-)

-MR
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 12:10 PM
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28. We don't get to see war
Our media treats it like a video game. They talk about a tank or fighter jet, they bring up an image on TV in 3-D, with the stats for the particular weapon flashed across the screen. We see them before they explode. We get to see what millions of dollars looks like. We don't get to see much of what happens after. We don't get to see the million dollar damage and 10 cent bodies that we call collateral damage.

We don't fight wars here. We've gotten hit a few times. But they were single incidents. They weren't continuous. The last tme we had a war on this particular land mass, they had a few guns, maybe a cannon or two. We don't know what tanks in the street looks like. We don't know the sound of a bomb being dropped from thousands of feet in the air into the middle of your town. We know what bullets sound like, but that's only in the poor part of the city, and we all know it's their own fault for being poor.

Not only that, but too many people in this country think we're special. Manifest Destiny and all. Something about this land mass with borders that were drawn arbitrarily long ago that makes us special. Something that makes our dreams, hopes, fears, desires, wants, worries more important than that of other fellow human beings, who have the same dreams, hopes, fears, desires, wants, and worries.
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